So Tetrarch Littlejohn 40mm has same AP value as German long barelled 75 mm and only a bit shorter range

[Ash3n]

In reality 7.5 cm KwK 40 had better penetration at 1000 m than Tetrarch 2 pounder with adaptor at 500 m - come on, I understand this is just a game and realism must lose against balance but this? I know there are Brithish players in this game, but let's be honest: Tetrarch was a crap, and its 2 pounder was a crap either - with or without adaptor. Eugen please.....

[CauDeX]

Guys calm down, he is just a troll. L2P!

[Mitchverr]

AV 3, reduced range, no real accuracy boost even though the ammo was said to be much more accurate irl, no he, again AV 3 with side and rear 1/1, this vehicle not only takes stress than others from what I have seen, but has a significantly higher chance of just being outright killed by HE attack lol.

You are literally whining about a unit that isnt that great lol, if you think it so grand, just hunt it down with the AP 4 20mm or AP 5 25mm guns lol.

Also, just me or does everyone complaining about its AP suddenly disapear when asked to source how its wrong? ^^

[Jonnydodger]

引用自 DMMitchverr：

AV 3, reduced range, no real accuracy boost even though the ammo was said to be much more accurate irl, no he, again AV 3 with side and rear 1/1, this vehicle not only takes stress than others from what I have seen, but has a significantly higher chance of just being outright killed by HE attack lol.

You are literally whining about a unit that isnt that great lol, if you think it so grand, just hunt it down with the AP 4 20mm or AP 5 25mm guns lol.

Also, just me or does everyone complaining about its AP suddenly disapear when asked to source how its wrong? ^^

No, they just come back half an hour later AND TYPE LIKE THIS about how we're all cancerous allied fanboys who all have mental illness.

[Ludwig Steiner]

引用自 «☆» Pilot3D «☆»：

Guys calm down, he is just a troll. L2P!

Go ♥♥♥♥ yourself.

Thats exactly why I start dislikeing the community.

[Ludwig Steiner]

引用自 DMMitchverr：

Also, just me or does everyone complaining about its AP suddenly disapear when asked to source how its wrong? ^^

Now listen, the 2-pnd can penetrate barely 55mm rolled steel on 500 meters. But apparently it can ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ penetrated the sloped armor of a Panther on 800 meters ! :'D are you a bit stupid?

[Mitchverr]

So what about the unit is actually wrong with it?

引用自 Ludwig Steiner：

引用自 DMMitchverr：

Also, just me or does everyone complaining about its AP suddenly disapear when asked to source how its wrong? ^^

Now listen, the 2-pnd can penetrate barely 55mm rolled steel on 500 meters. But apparently it can ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ penetrated the sloped armor of a Panther on 800 meters ! :'D are you a bit stupid?

And thats the 2 pounder with meh ammo(ammo from 1939 iirc), not taking into account the littlejohn.......

Do try again..... Oh and before you quote the 88mm at 30 degrees at 500 yards thing so about 103mm or something off top of my head, thats mk1 ammunition, not mk2 which was supposed to be muuuch better.

[Ludwig Steiner]

引用自 DMMitchverr：

So what about the unit is actually wrong with it?

First the unrealistic penetration value (same goes for some other tanks, but this one just bit my eye.)

Same goes for armor. The PZ II F had a 35mm front armor, but its not really represented in the game. But whatever, apparently I should stay with Men of War if I want some more realism in the small scale.

All I wanted to know is WHY they made it like this. Whats the reasoning behind it? Is it just for balance ?

[Jonnydodger]

引用自 Ludwig Steiner：

引用自 DMMitchverr：

Also, just me or does everyone complaining about its AP suddenly disapear when asked to source how its wrong? ^^

Now listen, the 2-pnd can penetrate barely 55mm rolled steel on 500 meters. But apparently it can ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ penetrated the sloped armor of a Panther on 800 meters ! :'D are you a bit stupid?

Actually, the Little John adapter superby prolonged the life of the 2 pounder.
From wikipedia:
"The round when it emerged from the adaptor now had a smaller cross-section than before. Together with the higher driving pressure developed in the barrel of diminishing internal volume compared to standard cylindrical bore, the APCNR round, called APSV (from armour-piercing super velocity), travelled faster, over a flatter trajectory. The Littlejohn adaptor/APCNR combination gave the 2 pounder a similar effect as the APDS round used with the much larger and heavier QF 6 pounder gun.

The muzzle velocity of the APSV Mark II shell was 1,143 m/s compared with the 792 m/s of the normal 1.2 kg APCBC shell. The lighter Mark I APSV shell was capable of penetrating 88 mm of armour at 450 m at a 30-degree angle of impact."

It's problem was it was a bit innaccurate and prevented the use of HE.

[Ludwig Steiner]

引用自 DMMitchverr：

So what about the unit is actually wrong with it?

引用自 Ludwig Steiner：

Now listen, the 2-pnd can penetrate barely 55mm rolled steel on 500 meters. But apparently it can ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ penetrated the sloped armor of a Panther on 800 meters ! :'D are you a bit stupid?

And thats the 2 pounder with meh ammo(ammo from 1939 iirc), not taking into account the littlejohn.......

Do try again..... Oh and before you quote the 88mm at 30 degrees at 500 yards thing so about 103mm or something off top of my head, thats mk1 ammunition, not mk2 which was supposed to be muuuch better.

LEL. Yes because the Ammo from 1939 is soooooo muuuuuuch worse. And even the little John modification doesnt improve the penetration value that much. The difference between the KWK 7.5 L43 and L48 in regards of velocity is "just" 50 m/s, the overall penetration is merely 7 mm better at 100 meters and is negelectable to the end.

Dont throw around some halfassed accusations.

[Mitchverr]

引用自 Ludwig Steiner：

引用自 DMMitchverr：

So what about the unit is actually wrong with it?

First the unrealistic penetration value (same goes for some other tanks, but this one just bit my eye.)

Same goes for armor. The PZ II F had a 35mm front armor, but its not really represented in the game. But whatever, apparently I should stay with Men of War if I want some more realism in the small scale.

All I wanted to know is WHY they made it like this. Whats the reasoning behind it? Is it just for balance ?

Unrealistic how, do you have numbers for the littlejohn SVmk2 ammunition fired out a littlejohn 2 pounder gun?

The number you gave is from at the very best early war ammunition.

引用自 Jonnydodger：

It's problem was it was a bit innaccurate and prevented the use of HE.

Where did you get it being a bit innaccurate?

[Mitchverr]

引用自 Ludwig Steiner：

引用自 DMMitchverr：

So what about the unit is actually wrong with it?




And thats the 2 pounder with meh ammo(ammo from 1939 iirc), not taking into account the littlejohn.......

Do try again..... Oh and before you quote the 88mm at 30 degrees at 500 yards thing so about 103mm or something off top of my head, thats mk1 ammunition, not mk2 which was supposed to be muuuch better.

LEL. Yes because the Ammo from 1939 is soooooo muuuuuuch worse. And even the little John modification doesnt improve the penetration value that much. The difference between the KWK 7.5 L43 and L48 in regards of velocity is "just" 50 m/s, the overall penetration is merely 7 mm better at 100 meters and is negelectable to the end.

Dont throw around some halfassed accusations.

It was soo much worse, it was literally half the effective ability of MK1 SV littlejohn ammunition at best.

[Ludwig Steiner]

引用自 Jonnydodger：

引用自 Ludwig Steiner：

88 mm of armour at 450 m at a 30-degree angle of impact."

88 mm @ 450m @ 30°

Panther has 80mm front armor with an angle of...idk cant remember. But it will still get utterly destroyed at 700 meters frontal.

[Jonnydodger]

引用自 DMMitchverr：

引用自 Ludwig Steiner：

First the unrealistic penetration value (same goes for some other tanks, but this one just bit my eye.)

Same goes for armor. The PZ II F had a 35mm front armor, but its not really represented in the game. But whatever, apparently I should stay with Men of War if I want some more realism in the small scale.

All I wanted to know is WHY they made it like this. Whats the reasoning behind it? Is it just for balance ?

Unrealistic how, do you have numbers for the littlejohn SVmk2 ammunition fired out a littlejohn 2 pounder gun?

The number you gave is from at the very best early war ammunition.

引用自 Jonnydodger：

It's problem was it was a bit innaccurate and prevented the use of HE.

Where did you get it being a bit innaccurate?

You know, I don't know. I guess I was just trying to justify the 800m range.

[Mitchverr]

Ingame every gun has at 1km the effective ability of its ammo at 100m IRL, picking on the 2 pounder is moot in this lol, the 37mm all the way to 128mm if there is 1 are using this same rule.

[Jonnydodger]

引用自 Ludwig Steiner：

88 mm @ 450m @ 30°

Panther has 80mm front armor with an angle of...idk cant remember. But it will still get utterly destroyed at 700 meters frontal.

80mm at 35 degrees. Given how that's for the Mk.1 ammo, not Mk.2, it is in the realm of possiblity for a Tetrarch to pen a Panther.