Thimbleweed Park

Thimbleweed Park

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-NN- May 3, 2017 @ 11:47am
Which Point-and-Click Adventures have you completed? Where does Thimbleweed Park rank?
As the title suggests.
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-NN- May 3, 2017 @ 12:02pm 
I'll get the ball rolling (scores out of 10) For any games where I know my completion time, I'll state it. I'll add to this as I remember and play more games.

Thimbleweed Park: 9.5 ------------- (19 hours)
The Secret of Monkey Island: 8.5 ------------- (7 hours... not a first playthrough)
Monkey Island: LeChuck's revenge: 9
The Curse of Monkey Island: 7.5 (see so much love for this game but frankly it doesn't stand up to the ambition of the first two.)
Loom: 6.5
Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis: 9.5
Sam and Max Hit the Road: 7.5
Day of the Tentacle: 9.5
Simon the Sorcerer: 7.5
Simon the Sorcerer 2: 6
Broken Sword: The Shadow of the Templars: 9
Deponia: 7 ------------- (12 hours)
Beneath a Steel Sky: 7.5
Gobliiins 2: don't recall so I guess it didn't leave too big an impression on me.
Full Throttle: 6 ------------- (8 hours)
The Dig: 7.5 ------------- (18 hours)
The Legend of Kyrandia: Book One - Fables and Fiends: 6.5
The Legend of Kyrandia: Book Three - Malcolm's Revenge: 7.5
EcoQuest: The Search for Cetus: 8
EcoQuest II:Lost Secret of the Rainforest: 8
The Lost Files of Sherlock Holmes: The Case of the Serrated Scalpel: 8.5


Might be forgetting a couple. I know of one but just can't recall the title right now.

Games I have played but not completed

Discworld (Good grief.. can you blame me. I might try again seeing as I haven't tried since I was a young teenager).
The Whispered World
Maniac Mansion
The Longest Journey
The Adventures of Willy Beamish
The Curse of Enchantia
La-Mulana (OK this isn't point and click but it is the ultimate in hard puzzles, tasks and pure unadulterated exploration without much limitation -- free spirit gaming -- and therefore I recommend it to everyone here and watch out for the sequel later this year. Want a challenge and many hours of gameplay with cryptic clues and deep exploration? Pick up this game then. PS, when I say challenge, this is the hardest game I've ever played...)

Games I might play next.. to do list.

Lure of the Temptress
To finish Maniac Mansion
Myst
Other Gobliiins titles
Kyrandia: Book Two
Grim Fandango
Further Broken Sword titles
Escape From Monkey Island
Many of the titles I've completed in the past which I've virtually forgotten, hence they will feel like fresh playthroughs (and rejog my memory).

Most memorable section from any of these games ever for me...

The final puzzles and confrontations of LeChuck's Revenge. It always used to make me wet my pants a little (not literally). Fantastic puzzles mixed with blood curdling suspense when I was a wee little kiddie.


I rank Thimbleweed Park very highly, which is probably also aided by the fact that I adored the closure of the game, which is the most compelling and intriguing I can remember from the genre (and from games in general). I think it's one of the all-time best games created in the genre.. and let's not just limit it to its genre. It's simply a great game and one of my faves ever alongside titles like Uncharted 2 and 3, Metroidvania games such as Symphony of the Night and La-Mulana, various Zelda titles (any fans of exploration and puzzles needs to play Zelda games.. the dungeons and their obstacles presents some of the most rewarding puzzle and exploration based gameplay ever created in video games), and various other point-and-click adventures, alongside some of my favourite platformers like Spyro the Dragon and RPGs such as Suikoden and Final Fantasy VII.

TAKING RECOMMENDATIONS - THANKS!
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Stoibs May 3, 2017 @ 12:53pm 
Far too many to list and score over the decades.
Going to be missing a bunch no doubt, but off the top of my head in as close to a chronological order that I can recall:

Maniac Mansion: 5/10
Monkey 1: 7.5/10
Monkey 2: 8.5/10
Indiana Jones Fate of Atlantis: 9.5/10
Day of the Tentacle: 9.5/10
Simon the Sorcerer: 6.5/10
Simon the Sorcerer 2: 6/10
Sam'n'Max Hit the Road: 8/10
Discworld (Not sure If I actually finished this one either, only played it once from memory): 7/10
Full Throttle: 6.5/10
The Dig: 3.5/10 (Never finished, multiple playthrough attempts and I always got stuck trying to put the turtle bones back together)
Normality: 8/10
Broken Sword 1: 6/10
Broken Sword 2: 7/10
Curse of Monkey Island: 7.5/10
Escape from Monkey Island: 3.5/10
Grim Fandango 8/10 (Bloody hard, I believe from memory this might be one of the first instances of needing to start using a walkthrough for these)
Beavis and Butthead DOU: 4/10
The Longest Journey: 9/10
Dreamfall The Longest Journey: 4/10
('Dreamfall Chapters' the latest one - still unfinished, finding it really boring..): 2/10
Syberia: 6.5/10
Syberia 2: 6/10
Still Life: 5/10
Still Life 2: 7/10
The Blackwell series as a whole (because I can't for the life of me remember each one individually, and they all tell a continuous narrative anyway): 8.5/10
The Shivah: 6.5/10
Emerald City Confidential: 9.5/10
Gemini Rue: 8.5/10
Resonance: 7/10
Primordia: 7.5/10 (Got over halfway but never Finished, been meaning to get back into these Wadjet Eye games..)
Sam'n'Max Telltale Season 1: 7.5/10
Sam'n'Max Telltale Season 2: 7/10
Sam'n'Max Telltale Season 3: 8/10
Telltale's 'Tales' of Monkey Island: 8/10
Telltale's Strongbad adventure game: 9.5/10
Telltale's Back to the future: 5.5/10 (Debatable to even be included, this is about the start of where Telltale stopped making proper inventory management/puzzle adventure games and started doing linear Visual Novels - and I won't list or consider the rest of their games onward here as 'adventure games')
Hector Badge of Carnage: 8/10
Cognition: 8.5/10
Broken Age: 2/10
Thimbleweed Park: 3.5/10 (9/10 for the first 90% of the game, then the ending sequence invalidates literally the entirety of the story that you've played thus far and leaves a sh*tty taste in your mouth, this certainly aint the game about a murder mystery that I was originally sold on or that I backed on Kickstarter..)

I've tried my hand at dabbling into some of Deadalic's stuff like Edna and Harvey and Deponia, I seriously need a guide on hand for most of their things though. I've heard most of their games are really good though so I'd like the time to get stuck right into them.
Wadjet Eye's last few games like Technobablyon/Shardlight/Kathy Rain etc. are things that have certainly been on my backlog also. Just finding myself too inundated with other releases to find the time these days.
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-NN- May 3, 2017 @ 1:05pm 
Stoibs, the turtle puzzle is one of my fave parts of The Dig!! I don't think it's that hard TBH, but I did get stuck at a different point in the game. I think it's an underrated game but I'm sorry for your frustration regarding that puzzle...

I didn't need a guide for the first Deponia and I think it's a touch shorter than Thimbleweed Park on average. The Whispered World has been fine so far also -- not too difficult.

I'm sorry for you that the ending invalidates the story of Thimbleweed Park, but I think it was never really about the murder of that random man who we never learn much about in the game. It was always building toward the mystery of Chuck instead and the personal agendas of the playable characters. I don't think you should forget how enjoyable the journey was even if you didn't like the final destination. 9 out of 10 to 3.5 is one hell of a brutal hit. ;)

Going to have to check out that Gemini Rue that I've been hearing quite a bit about. You've given it a very high score.

Interestingly, we share top scores on two particular games (DotT and Indiana Jones Fate of Atlantis).

PS, STAGGERING list of games there.
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Stoibs May 3, 2017 @ 1:25pm 
To be fair I got through most of the beginning act/chapter of Deponia on my own (Not sure how much that was in the grand scheme of things exactly, I have 'The Complete Journey' version which I think combines all the games)
There was some post office puzzle and a few others that I just gave up on. =(
I think I actually stopped playing because I outright encountered issues/bugs that prevented me from walking and controlling the character, sadly.

For Thimbleweed, I mean when you advertise, sell the idea of, and receive over half a million dollars from backers for a particular idea and concept for a story/game, only to then bait and switch at the 11th hour to make something that I felt was incredibly unfulfilling and a cop-out to everything that was presented beforehand (I legitimately regard it as the worst ending in gaming ever currently; moreso than Mass Effect 3 or KOTOR 2) then yeah it hits me pretty hard and is a disappointment of epic proportions.
I think it was *Because* the prior ~17hrs or however long it took me to get up to that part was so awesome and top-notch, rivalling or atleast sitting at equal footing to the 90's classics of Lucas Arts games that the ending nothingness was such a significant blow and came out of left field with a massive "Is that seriously it?!?!" from me.

To each their own. If they pull a 'Curse of Monkey Island' retcon with a sequel here and reveal that the 4 of them were immediately captured by the AI and put into a VR like thing upon entering the factory, thus handwaving away those last sequence of events and grounding the story once again then I could get back onboard and adjust my review/opinions of this one perhaps.
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-NN- May 3, 2017 @ 1:34pm 
Good to read your further explanation, Stoibs. The ending is tremendously divisive, with most on the side of it being a serious letdown it would appear.

So, 'The Complete Journey' combines all 4 Deponia games as ONE game, in the manner that Sonic 3 & Knuckles combined two? If so, I need to get my hands on that just to play through the most epic "single" adventure ever made. I'll take a look into the details of that.

I can recommend The Whispered World as a solid title of theirs (Daedalic). There are others I want to play. I think they do a solid job with their adventures, which are clearly inspired by LucasArts titles. However, they do lack the polish of the old meticulous classics and I do encounter bugs here and there and some shoddy dialogue bugs. BTW, I encountered a bug in The Whispered World which caused me to speed run the entire game up to the same point so I could actually do a puzzle and progress. So yes, serious bugs do appear to plague their games.

I notice you've given The Longest Journey much kudos. I do own the game and have played it for an hour or two... meaning to get back to it. I did really enjoy the opening moments but I stopped for no rhyme nor reason.

Gemini Rue looks right up my street so I'll probably attack that one next. I can recommend The Lost Files of Sherlock Holmes: The Case of the Serrated Scalpel as a game that probably hits a similar spot. I haven't played it for like 15+ years however.

I did play Edna and Harvey for a couple of hours actually - another for me to get back to.
Last edited by -NN-; May 3, 2017 @ 1:40pm
gyarad0site May 3, 2017 @ 2:01pm 
Adding my two cents ! Note that the old LucasArts games were pretty damn formative to my childhood, hence:

Finished:

Day of the Tentacle - 9/10, because sheer comic brilliance + heavy nostalgia; it will always make me smile.
Sam & Max Hit the Road - 9/10, see above, verbatim.
Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis - 10/10, because it's the grittier, grownup version of the first two listed, with three ways to play.
Thimbleweed Park - 10/10, because it was exactly what I wanted. The voice acting, the in-jokes, the story, the overall flow... I loved it.
The Secret of Monkey Island - 9/10, because it's hilarious and in many ways a pioneer.
Monkey Island 2 - 9/10, because it builds on the former and continues to deliver.
Lumino City - 9/10, because of its unbeatable aesthetics, and I liked the purely traditional puzzles over item-hunting.
Fran Bow - 8/10, because of its unique, creepy style, and its unforgettable gameplay.
Primordia - 8/10, see above, but with much heavier emphasis on really good storytelling.
The Silent Age - 7/10, ambitious, but very short, and maybe too reliant on sudden twists in plot.
Grim Fandango - 7/10, GREAT concept and characters, but shoddy final execution in puzzles and plot
Loom - 6.5/10, possibly innovative for its time, with attempts at world-building, but also vaguely unsatisfying as a whole.
Tormentum - Dark Sorrow - 6/10, good aesthetics, with decent puzzles and two endings, but I have no real desire to ever play it again.
Projector Face - 4/10, much too short, counter-intuitive item-combination puzzles, lack of overall story or depth.


Started but Never Finished:

Thimbleweed Park - 10/10 so far, because it's exactly what I wanted. Don't judge me, but I'm completely stuck on Chapter 4 :S Edit: I finally won.
Myst - 8.5/10, masterful and compelling, but so very hard.
The Longest Journey - 7.5/10, often frustrating, but I think I'll like it more upon completion.
The Dream Machine - 7.5/10, pretty damn good, but the game itself isn't complete yet ! Great aesthetics & good story, with varied chapters.
Broken Age - 7/10, because I felt cheated with part 2 and lost motivation to finish.
Deponia - 6.5/10, because I really dislike Daedelic games. They always feel unfinished/unpolished.


EDIT: In terms of actual recommendations for the OP, I would definitely say Grim Fandango, Lumino City, and Fran Bow. The first is kind of a perfected (imo) version of more LucasArts/Double Fine stuff; Lumino City to me was just so exciting for its seamless blend of real life objects with digital graphics; Fran Bow is obscenely disturbing and creepy but very memorable and worthwhile.
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-NN- May 3, 2017 @ 2:05pm 
I agree on the unpolished nature of Daedalic titles. Good luck on getting through chapter 4 of Thimbleweed Park. :S
zaRGo May 3, 2017 @ 2:40pm 
Hey nice idea with that list :cybereye:

My all-time-favourite (point´n´click/adventure type of game) is & will ever be:

* KULT (Temple of the flying saucers) - RATING 10/10 - played on Amiga 500 - released 1989

I also played the following: (But i can hardly remember all games - it´s a long time ago)

* LOOM - RATING 09/10 - special gameplaymechanic with flute
* SECRET OF MONKEY ISLAND - RATING 09/10 - rating is nostalgy-based - today 08/10
* REVENGE OF LE CHUCK - cant remember - i am going to play this again in 2017
* THE CURSE OF MONKEY ISLAND - cant remember - would play it again after LE CHUCKS R

* THIMBLEWEED PARK - RATING 09/10 - But i havn´t played that much until now

..& i hope the ending is not to unsatisfiying :reyesscared:

Best of all i missed one of the best games (as many peoples discribed it) until now & have bought it allready & i´m going to play it when i have finished TP:

* DAY OF THE TENTACLE

I also bought & gonna play after TP finished:

* INDIANA JONES fate of atlantis


Kind regards bros :ransomeangry:



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-NN- May 3, 2017 @ 8:04pm 
Originally posted by zaRGo:
Hey nice idea with that list :cybereye:

My all-time-favourite (point´n´click/adventure type of game) is & will ever be:

* KULT (Temple of the flying saucers) - RATING 10/10 - played on Amiga 500 - released 1989

I also played the following: (But i can hardly remember all games - it´s a long time ago)

* LOOM - RATING 09/10 - special gameplaymechanic with flute
* SECRET OF MONKEY ISLAND - RATING 09/10 - rating is nostalgy-based - today 08/10
* REVENGE OF LE CHUCK - cant remember - i am going to play this again in 2017
* THE CURSE OF MONKEY ISLAND - cant remember - would play it again after LE CHUCKS R

* THIMBLEWEED PARK - RATING 09/10 - But i havn´t played that much until now

..& i hope the ending is not to unsatisfiying :reyesscared:

Best of all i missed one of the best games (as many peoples discribed it) until now & have bought it allready & i´m going to play it when i have finished TP:

* DAY OF THE TENTACLE

I also bought & gonna play after TP finished:

* INDIANA JONES fate of atlantis


Kind regards bros :ransomeangry:

The next games on your list are absolute masterpieces.

Out of interest, which version of Loom did you complete?
zaRGo May 4, 2017 @ 6:15am 
Originally posted by NN:
............
Out of interest, which version of Loom did you complete?

It was the amiga-version

LowLevel May 4, 2017 @ 1:51pm 
I'm completely unable to give scores, for several reasons.

So, I'll just categorize them, based on the feelings that I got by playing them.

I have no idea in which category to put Thimbleweed Park, yet.



This is why I play adventure games:
Monkey Island 1 and 2
Grim Fandango
Syberia 1 & 2


These have a special place in my heart:
Gray Matter
The Longest Journey
Gemini Rue
Blackwell series
Loom
Machinarium


Good games (I loved them):
Broken Sword 1 - Shadow of the Templars
Broken Sword 5 - the Serpent's Curse
Day of the Tentacle
Safecracker: The Ultimate Puzzle Adventure
Lost Horizon
Secret Files: Tunguska
Sherlock Holmes: Crimes and Punishments
Botanicula
The Raven - Legacy of a Master Thief
A Vampyre Story
A Golden Wake
Samorost 1 & 2
Amerzone: The Explorer's Legacy
Sinking Island


Good games (no special attachment):
The Book of Unwritten Tales
Gabriel Knight - Sins of the Fathers
The Next BIG Thing
Deponia
Nelly Cootalot: The Fowl Fleet
Adventures of Bertram Fiddle: Episode 1: A Dreadly Business
Samorost 3


Just OK:
Face Noir
Kaptain Brawe
Ben There, Dan That!
Telltale's Back to the Future
Broken Sword 2 - the Smoking Mirror
Detective Grimoire


Meh:
Broken Age
Lilly Looking Through


Didn't like at all:
Lume


Some special categories:

Never finished (but I liked what I saw):
The Lost Crown
Dark Fall 1: The Journal
The Dig
Stacking


Never finished (I was not very interested):
Edna & Harvey: The Breakout
Anna's Quest
Bulb Boy
Ceville


Never finished (I hated some of the game mechanics):
Maniac Mansion
Zak McKracken and the Alien Mindbenders
Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis
The Last Express Gold Edition
Return to Mysterious Island
Full Throttle



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Stoibs May 4, 2017 @ 2:15pm 
*Gasp*
Hated Fate of Atlantis?! :O

Yeah.. some of those disc turning puzzles could be kind of frustrating if you didn't know where to look I guess.
I remember one of the solutions being sneakily carved on a background wall in one of the cave areas that wasn't immediately obvious and didn't have an interactive hotspot, most of the others were in plato's lost dialogue somewhere too in some annoying fashion.

I just liked how it was basically replayable three times with vastly different puzzles/methods of navigating through the story with the path system; something that was pretty innovative for the genre and which hasn't actually been replicated in anything else since then that I can think of.
LowLevel May 4, 2017 @ 2:34pm 
Originally posted by Stoibs:
*Gasp*
Hated Fate of Atlantis?! :O

No, not the game as a whole, but only some of the mechanics.

Generally, I hate adventure games in which you can die.

Additionally, I don't like adventure games that use action sequences. I have absolutely no issues with puzzles but if mouse or keyboard dexterity is required to proceed, that's not a kind of game I'm interested into.

About Fate of Atlantis, I really really loved the game... until a f.... action sequence with a guard in the final maze. The guy beat me and I didn't have a recent savegame. Extremely pissed off. Never finished it when I was a kid, never finished it in a more recent try.
-NN- May 4, 2017 @ 2:39pm 
You can die in Gemini Rue, as I've just found out. In fact, I died several times in one sequence and frankly it was annoying. The game is a tad bit clunky (and dubious voice acting).. however so far so good overall as a game. Playing Grim Fandango also and it's a good game but it's irritating me.

Fate of Atlantis is as good as it gets. I was surprised it held up so well on a more recent playthrough after all these years.

Out of interest LowLevel, did you stop playing Full Throttle on the Mine Road... where you have to battle other bikers for various weapons and objects ?

I forgot about the Book of Unwritten Tales. I'm near the end of the first one and also have the second ready to go when I get around it it. It's solid at best... pleasant enough but completely unremarkable.

I like your way of ranking the games LowLevel rather than using some sort of more stringent scoring process.
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LowLevel May 4, 2017 @ 2:46pm 
Originally posted by NN:
Out of interest LowLevel, did you stop playing Full Throttle on the Mine Road... ?

Yes.

Recently, I've purchased the remastered edition and I managed to bite the bullet and proceed to a phase that I never played in the past. But I hate it and I'm not sure when I'll continue to play it.
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