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That said, don't watch DR3.
Thanks though
And that's not even going into detail as to how awful the premise is. Despair Arc barely focuses on the DR2 cast, and the Hope Arc has so many plot holes, you can paint it yellow and call it Spongebob Squarepants.
Hell, if TVTropes is to be believed, even Kodaka hated DR3.
But hey, I can't stop you. Go for it if you want to.
DR3 sucked. Get over it.
And I am not going to argue with your opinion, because you can think it's bad, but I'll think it's good either way. I've read so many comments on how crap it is, it wouldn't surprise me to hear you repeat the same stuff.
First I heard of people disliking the anime. My friends and I all enjoyed it.
There are no spoilers for DR3 in V3. There is this bonus mode where DR3 characters appear in, but that's just a bonus mode.
Oddly enough, I started it out liking the Future arc more than the DR2 prequel stuff, but that flip flopped over the time. The latter goes from obnoxiously comedic to having maybe the most dark and disturbing moments in the whole franchise, and those were extremely effective in my book.
Despair Arc sucked from the get-go afaic. The second episode was pointless filler (Thank you for teaching me that Mikan only wants the tip, that really adds to her character), the third episode had zero bearing on the plot (Considering we just ignore that Fuyuhiko lost his sister and personally MURDERED Mahiru's best friend), the fourth episode demonstrated the writers had no idea what they were trying to accomplish with Despair Arc (Is this a prequel or a companion to Future Arc now?), and the fifth episode firmly cemented that at least half of DR3 was guaranteed to be garbage.
And tbh, I found none of the "dark and disturbing" moments impressive, especially compared to the games. We're given little reason to care about the students in the first killing game (and tbh, I thought the dual murder scene with the katana was f*cking hilarious), Chiaki's execution as a means to corrupt the students contradicts existing canon (though I will admit, that scene with Izuru was actually very well-done), Junko being god mode introduces plot holes and makes her less threatening as a villain, Juzou being a blackmailed moron caused most of the DR plot, etc.
If you ignored some of the really questionable bits of Future Arc (How can the NG Code be activated by having someone step on your shadow? Why did the mastermind bother putting a code on the robotic Miaya's body? etc.), it almost worked, and by episode 4 of Despair Arc, I figured Future Arc would be enough to partially salvage the whole package. Then it turns out Monaca wasn't the mastermind and Tengan was, and the premise falls apart faster than a Nature Valley granola bar. And that's not even getting into how UDG had some incredible ideas, and basically none of them were explored. I sure am glad I got invested for 18 hours just to have nothing get resolved.
Yeah, I might be going way in-depth, but I genuinely hated DR3. This is just scratching the surface of it, tbh.
How does it "contradict existing canon"? Junko was overpowered from the get go. It doesn't introduce plot holes because, in DR1, she left room for herself to fail to induce despair. Hell, I think she SAYS that in DR1.
He didn't know Miaya was a robot? Even if he did, the dude's a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ moron. The entire reason he started the game is absolutely ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ stupid and nonsensical, and he does so much ♥♥♥♥ that's counterintuitive to his plan. Don't see the problem of Monaca not being the mastermind. It would have been too damn obvious if she was, and don't even ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ say it wouldn't because you'd actually be wrong. And how the actual hell was "nothing resolved"?
"It could have been done better."
aka Danganronpa 3 in a nutshell
They had 13 episodes to tell a full story. 13. DR1 had enough problems trying to cram everything into 13 episodes, and that was with minimal filler. If they had 25 episodes for the whole arc, sure, you can throw us a bone or two and give us filler. I could live with that. But 13 episodes? Frankly, DR3 was probably doomed to failure by trying to cover everything in 13 episodes, but still, if they didn't realise that including filler with a short running time isn't a good idea, then shame on them.
Why is it that Junko can take down Juzou in a fist fight, and yet, Kyoko is able to repel her from attacking Makoto in DR1? The "she wants to fail" excuse can only go so far; wouldn't it be far more despair-inducing if she murdered Kyoko on the spot, effectively made the "case" against Makoto completely shut, and then have Makoto offed? Why bother even disguising herself in the first place then? Hell, her plot in DR1 was specifically to off Makoto and/or Kyoko, so what was the point of going that whole plot when there's a far more convenient path waiting for her? And if she wanted to fail that bad, why not just go straight to the Mukuro's corpse ploy in the first place?
Furthermore, the problem is that Junko's overpoweredness just doesn't make sense in DR3 itself. Why is it that her plan relies on so many people, frankly, being morons? This actually started in DR/Zero, but man, DR3 really hammered home the point that OP villains just aren't fun. Especially when DR2 suggests she personally broke down every last student in DR2's cast. Hell, remove the mind control subplot and have her get her talons into the class by taking advantage of Fuyuhiko's sister being killed due to his attempts to branch out. Peko follows him, Mahiru is separately dragged in with Satou's death, and it spirals out of control from there. Yes, I know brainwashing was implied in DR/Zero and is featured in UDG, but to have Junko rely on it to break down the DR2 class is nothing short of lazy, unexciting storytelling, especially since we've got to know these kids over the course of 30 hours in DR2. And don't tell me "Junko would get bored!", because she spent months trying to find Izuru, months worming her way into Towa Corp by manipulating Monaca, and spent over 20 days doing DR1's killing game. Suddenly breaking 14ish different students with differing backgrounds, mental capacities, personalities, and dark secrets is too unexciting for her?
Rubbish.
Debating Junko generally won't end well for either of us, since I don't think anyone knows what's going on in that pretty head of her's (which is why I love her to pieces). This is something I'll let you have simply because both of us can argue in circles about how Junko "should have" acted. I'll conclude by saying that while Junko does allow for lapses in her plans, the idea of cementing her god mode status just wasn't good for the series.
What good is a plot if the machinations are done by an idiot? Just look at some of the weakest Phoenix Wright cases; when the plot is done by someone who doesn't know what they're doing (looking at you, Florent L'Belle and Daryan Crescend), no one is going to enjoy it nearly as much. Or hell, who's one of the most unpopular characters in the DR series? Korekiyo aka the guy who didn't take advantage of the First Kill Perk despite having all the reason to do so, and overstretched his murder goals. See the dilemma? Tengan was never going to be the best mastermind, but if they had removed all of the holes in his killing game, he would've been... adequate.
Doesn't help that our mastermind is supposed to be the head of the Future Foundation, probably the DR world's largest and most powerful organisation; surely he'd be more competent at this, especially if his goal was to make Ryouta show off his deus ex machina. Then again, he apparently couldn't tell that the Miaya in the room was a robot...
As for Monaca, I won't try to argue such a conclusion wouldn't have been obvious, because with UDG existing, it wouldn't have been possible. Regardless, it would have fixed SO many problems with the Future Arc. The NG Codes ranging from barely an obstacle (Gozu, Juzo) to being completely unfair (Daisaku, Koichi)? Well, she's just a kid and trying to emulate Junko, so she didn't do such a good job. Not broadcasting it to the world? Again, she's a kid and is doing this for her own amusement, like using meteors to destroy your own town in SimCity or it's just another training ground before enacting it "for real". The bracelets existing in the first place?
Magical Towa Corp technology that she had blackmailed Haiji into creating, and she gave increasingly ridiculous "lose conditions" because she's a child and doesn't understand game balance. Why is the game so dangerous to Ryouta despite the game supposed to act as Tengan's "win condition"? Monaca has no true win condition, and Ryouta is just another poor sap in the game. See? Instead of circlejerking about how Tengan's plot makes no sense, we just handwave everything with "she's just a kid!". Hell, considering how Monaca spent all of UDG pretending to be disabled, I think it would've been a creative plot twist if it turned out the bracelets were actually bs and all the members were in-fighting purely out of despair. Is it a perfect excuse? Probably not. But it's far better than whatever Tengan tried to accomplish.
Also, there's an uncannily huge amount of unanswered questions for what is supposed to the "grand" finale of the series. Surprise, most of them stem from UDG.
>What happened to Makoto's parents? Are they truly dead, or did they somehow survive? UDG made it clear that Komaru was fighting onward to see if they were truly dead or not, and to just leave this hanging is nothing short of disappointing.
>What happened to FF? Was it dismantled? Did it succeed in new hands? If it stayed open, how did they deal with the loss of several high-profile personnel like Daisaku and Seiko? Who was in the helicopter at the start of the series? Was Tengan just one bad apple, or was FF full of people like him and Chisa?
>What happened to Kyousuke? He lost his eye, his position, his best friend, and his lover. How does he cope? Does Makoto help him out? All we get is that he's apparently roaming the Earth, despite being one of only two new character that lived to the end. I sure am glad we got closure on that front! /s
>How does the DR2 cast feel about casting the world into despair? And how do they feel knowing that they have only each other to rely on from now until the end of their lives?
>How does Makoto feel about how all of DR basically started with a cover-up, and yet he's using a cover-up to re-open Hope's Peak Academy?
>Why did Alter Ego take on the form of the real Chiaki? Were Chiaki and Chihiro actually friends in HPA? Did Izuru program her as one of the last vestiges of Hajime's consciousness?
>Did Aoi ever learn of Yuta's untimely demise? What was her response?
>What happened to Haiji? Was he still head of The Resistance, or did he lose everything after his "role" in Monaca's plans were revealed?
>Why did Miaya, Chihiro, and Yasuke make the New World Program in the first place? Just on the off-chance that "you know, we might have crazy peeps out there that need to be rehabilitated"?
>Did Kanon ever make peace with the FF?
>How did people like Takaaki and Kenshiro cope with the loss of their loved ones?
>How did people like Ayaka and Takemichi react to learning their comrades resorted to murder?
>What happened to Taichi? Did he ever find his wife or find out what happened to his lovely son?
>Did the Warriors of Hope actually reform?
>Did Komaru and Touko ever stop the war between the kids and adults in Towa City?
This is (probably) only scratching the surface too. And if they couldn't answer all these questions in the allotted time, then it goes right back to my first point: That DR3 set itself up for failure by trying to tell two arcs at the same time.
I know I've been sounding negative, but I absolutely wanted DR3 to succeed. I ignored all the naysayers who kept wanting to compare it to DR1's anime or to the Persona 4 anime that Lerche had a role in. I ignored people who said it could never compare to works like Unlimited Blade Works or Steins;Gate. I ignored the claims splitting it up into two arcs would doom the entire series.
What I got was nothing short of unending, bitter disappointment.
Also, is the profanity really necessary? We disagree on something, it's human nature, no need to get mad over it.
Still not saying that he isn't a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Don't see where you got that impression.
If Monaca was the mastermind, hopefully Tengan wouldn't have any master plan of his own to begin with involving Ryota.
Okay, at least a few of those questions, I have issue with. First, the FF ♥♥♥♥, what happened to Munakata, the reopening of HPA, stuff like that relating to events at the end of DR3 were never gonna be answered. Second, Alter Ego wasn't the Chiaki AI. The Chiaki AI was something completely different. They actually said what it was: A blank slate AI that took on the form of Chiaki due to the memories of the DR2 cast when they got put into the program. Third, as I recall, they mention in the episode after the UDG one that Asahina knew of her brother's death. Fourth, how the hostages reacted to anything was never going to be answered outside of maybe supplemental material where they're focused on, and certainly not in the mains eries.. Also, Taichi is dead. Don't see where you got the idea that he somehow lived his brutal mauling. Fifth, considering that they were freely talking to Komaru and Toko, not to mention that they learned Monaca's plans, it's safe to say that they are reformed.. The rest of the questions, particularly the creation of the NWP are valid.
Definitely, more time was necessary. I don't know why they didn't give it more time.
I'm not getting mad. I swear all the time because that's how I am. It has nothing to do with anything but my swearing because I want to.
I am aware of this. But the rest of it certainly doesn't help. If he were "just" nailing his sister, he'd still get a lot of hate, but the harebrained scheme really made a lot of people question the entire point of his character.
Hilariously enough, I actually have a soft spot for ol' Tulpaman. But that's another story for another topic.
For Daryan, it's been several years since I played Polly's game, so I may be underthinking it, but attempting to frame the crime onto a short and scrawny blind kid who can't hope to carry around that big, hunky bodyguard isn't exactly a buyable premise. Regardless, I know a lot of people really dislike case 4-3 because of this premise.
Again, it's just not fun to have a moron be a villain, since it just begs the question as to how they got their plan off the ground. Yeah, as we've outlined, there's idiots in the games, but to make the entire premise rely on it is much more disappointing.
Which would've been better, imo. But to each his own.
Shouldn't have made the ending so artificially happy then. Leave it open-ended, sorta like all the other endings in the series.
Fair enough. Still not satisfied with how they used Chiaki in DR3, but that's more because the pacing.
I don't remember this, but if it did happen, then I'll happily admit I'm wrong; that said, I wish this is something they could've focused more on, especially if she had tag teamed with Makoto for his big speech with Kyousuke. Seriously, poor girl lost her best friend and her brother. Really wish they did more with this.
Perhaps, but I'm still bitterly disappointed at this, since UDH did an excellent job with Kanon (seriously, Kanon's arc was awesome, I wish we could've seen more of her). Plus, could've had an epic reunion at the end, or at the very least, Aloysius Pennyworth being the only person Byakuya is nice to.
His laptop and body vanish when you travel back down Towa Tower, and you find a note there where the author claims that he wants to make sure his wife and son are fine. Barring a nuclear coincidence, I think we can safely assume Taichi left that behind.
Show, don't tell. Considering how UDG tried to make it clear that at least Kotoko turned a new leaf, this could've been an interesting route to go. At the very least, letting the four of them use mechs to help out Touko and Komaru would've been pretty snazzy. Or if they finally got their comeuppance against Monaca.
Glad we can agree here.
Glad we can agree here. I think they should've just focused on Future Arc, since Despair Arc told us very little that we didn't already partially know. And sometimes, the joy of a mystery is not knowing how it's done.
And the way they destroyed Mukuro's character in Despair Arc still makes me unreasonably sad.
I guess. It still makes you appear combatitive, so try to keep it cool, yeah?
I'm not defending the mastermind. You're talking like I am.
But how the hell did Taichi survive? I'm pretty sure someone else just dragged his body away, and a note that Taichi had on him fell out of his corpse. He got literally mauled, and there'd be no point to it.
They didn't "Destroy Mukuro's character" at all. All we know about Mukuro is what we're shown in DRIF, which, outside of being non-canon, is also a novel whose focus is on Mukuro turning a new leaf and fighting Junko. We never see what she's like as a Despair. The only reason that's ever said is because the only knowledge of her personality we have is from a non-canon work that gave us an unrealistic expectation of the real Mukuro.