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I remember when Something Awful was playing DR2 by fan translation, which left large gaps of time between content releases for a whole forum to theorycraft over the cases. Needless to say, they guessed everything easily and almost perfectly, and found it boring. :)
Well, that didn't always happen. Chapter 4 is a good example: notice whose labs open, and who dies.
Yay! Angie dead!
Dang, that's the creepiest murder scene so far. The last 2 cases sure did telegraph the locations ahead of time!
So, HOW did the murderer do it? Kokichi picking the locks is too obvious. The gold flakes on the backdoor latch seem to be the big hint. The killer had gold on their hands from the sword, then went out the back. The statues being hung upside down was part of some pulley system to shut the latch after they exited? It also said the blood from Angie's neck wound was dry while the head wound was still wet. She was killed with the neck wound, then hung upside like the rest and dropped to the floor head first?
Tenko's murder. At first I thought there might have been some bladed mechanism inside the dog statue, but there's no hole in the cloth. If the blade came from below the floor, how is the wound on the back of Tenoko's neck? Either Tenko changed position before she was killed, or someone moved the cloth out of the way and stabbed her from above, or both.
What about the dried blood under the crawlspace area Tenko's feet were at? The only current explanation I have for that is that someone fell through the loose board like Kokichi did during the invetigation. Someone discovered the loose board and floor crawl space by falling through, then used that knowledge to plot the murder? If that's the case, they would have been bleeding like Kokichi. Why didn't anyone notice? Could it be one of the people who wear hats? Himiko and Kiyo are the only ones, and the entire seance setup was Kiyo's idea. Although that's too obvious I doubt it's true. Also Himiko at first volunteered to be the medium, which makes it look like she couldn't have planned it.
Other alibis: don't see how anyone performing the seance could have done it. They were singing the whole time and people would have noticed their voice moving out of their corner (wonder if Keebo's voice playback is going to fit into this).
Theory: both bodies were found near both dry blood and wet blood. I'm thinking it's being used to mask something. Maybe Angie wasn't even killed in the art lab. Killed in the center seance room, body moved to her lab where the culprit inflicted fresh wounds to bleed on the lab floor and make it look like that's where she was killed? Tenko's murder was to cover up Angie's old dried blood and throw suspicion onto someone else? Angie being murdered in the lab makes everyone think that the killer had to be on the student council. Someone not on the council moved the body there to eliminate themself from suspicion? There were only 2 possible motives for killing Tenko: covering up some factor in Angie's murder, or revenge against the #1 suspect for killing Angie (Tenko, student council member who could have gotten Angie to open the door but also a known traitor with a jealously motive). But...since Tenko was only decided to be the person in the center of the room at the last second, for the revenge motive to work it would had to have been someone in the room or listening under the floor to know it would be Tenko in the center.
Why plan ahead with the weapon placement if they didn't know who the available target would be? The revenge motive falls apart and the only one left is covering up an aspect of Angie's murder, which I'm guessing is the location.
Kiyo killed Angie and Tenko??? Silly me, I obviously should have considered that someone was a serial killer targeting girls so they could be the friends of his dead split personality sister....
But still, how did nobody notice him moving to the center of the room during the singing? They not only didn't notice the location of his voice changing, but his singing wasn't interrupted at all by the jump?
About the only thing I got right was Angie's murder taking place in the empty room instead of the lab, and the effigy having something to do with a mechanism to lock the door.
So far, the goth cast member of every Danganronpa game has been a killer. The big strongman is also always a victim, so countdown to saying goodbye to Gonta.
And then we move on to the 4th murder and investigation.
First of all, how much dumber could these characters get? First there's a death when you perform a curtain trick to hide someone. Then you decide to do ANOTHER curtain trick with someone, this time in total darkness! Now you decide to not only all go into the virtual world and leave your real life bodies helpless, you don't leave anyone behind to stay watch AND you let Kohichi wander around on his own where he could have easily gone back and logged out THEN he says he wants to search the salon alone and everyone lets him! This reminds me of the first game where no one did the smart thing and lock up Byakuya the instant he declared he would murder someone as soon as he thought out a plan, and he had a suicidal serial killer pledging total loyalty.
Right away I noticed the flow of the river was wrong for where the sign ended up. It seems obvious there's some East/West wraparound on the map.
I guessed that the salon phone could be used to log someone out just by speaking their name and that they didn't have to actually be at the phone, but then the cell phone came up.
The "oh no" heard from Teebo might have been him in the real world discovering Miu's body (they didn't say who was first to discover her motionless avatar; if Teebo's voice was from that and the sound wrapped around the map, then why didn't you hear anyone else?).
The poison is obviously a red herring. No bloodshot eyes on Miu.
Confusing because they say the avatars cannot be harmed, then say that damage to avatars applies to the real world. Huh? Which is it?
It took Kokichi 2 minutes to log out after you. Altering the crime scene before he left?
If Miu was a non-person object and that only affected identification, could she have logged out without leaving a record? She left one logging in....
I was going to come up with a theory until Montaro dumped all that info on you at the end, including the vague "something happened with the avatars when you first logged in". Great, information that will be key to the case but won't come up until well into the trial. Thanks for letting me solve a mystery. It's not going to tell you how swapping the cords works, or how that glitch made Miu not be able to paralyze Kokichi's avatar.
Right now I'm guessing that the toilet paper was the murder weapon. Unbreakable toilet paper wrapped around Miu's avatar's throat to strangle her.
(survivor prediction: Himiko. They always have the character traumatized by the death of their bestie make it out.
I was pretty confident in the theory that the map wraps around east/west (which would also explain how the sign ended up near the mansion instead of "downriver", because the mansion is the actual downriver as it wraps from the chapel), so I'm keeping that in mind as I watch all the stuff play out. It also seemed obvious that this started as Miu's plan to kill Kohichi. Since he's not dead and she did, it obviously backfired.
The most obvious is Kohichi, but they always keep the loathesome troublemaker character alive (at least until near the end) so probably not. So then I played through it looking to see who else it could have been other than Kohichi. I'm getting the sense that it might be like the last case in the 2nd game where someone set up the murder but then tricked a different person to unknowingly actually commit the murder (since Kohichi is the Nagito standin for this game).
Ok, first off, everyone stupidly decides to split up and even let Kohichi off on his own...oh, but Gonta volunteers to watch him, and even mentions that he's going to act as a bodyguard....oh dear. Could it be....? But that can't be the case because the 2 people who Suichi couldn't account for when they heard the crash was Kohichi and...uh oh.
When you noticed something was missing from the roof storage room, the game wouldn't tell you what it was. With the older save it's obvious that the lattice went missing and showed up next to Miu's body. At first I thought the lattice was used as a replacement bridge for the river, but replaying the investigation it had ot had come from the mansion roof and crashed into the chapel since the map wraps east/west. Miu was also meeting Kohichi on the roof. How did her body and the lattice end up crashing into the chapel? I'm guessing it was used as a sled to dispose of the body off the roof. If you actually did that, it would probably just end with the body tumbling off the lattice after it fell from the roof, but video game logic so whatevs (just like the ropeway wouldn't have actually worked because the friction on the rope would have way too high for it to slide unless it was an extreme >45 degree angle, in which case it would have been too fast to control).
So Miu plots to kill Kohichi, plants the poison on him since she was the last to log in, runs from the chapel to the mansion to meet him on the roof and kill him with the hammer, but Gonta steps in as a bodyguard to stop her. Why not just restrain her? She froze Kohichi and Gonta thought she killed him and went berserk? Strangling her with the toilet paper?
So Kohichi would have had enough time to go back to the salon as Gonta slid the body off. Suichi and Tsumugi went outside right afte the crash and ran into...Gonta, who was standing right by the spot the toilet paper was discovered......uh oh.
Kohichi planted the toilet paper? He took 2 minutes to log out after the next to last person, just like Miu took 2 minutes to be the last to log in when she probably planted the poison.
Didn't notice anything else the 2nd investigation runthrough. There's still the hidden information Montaro isn't going to tell you until the trial. The cords have to play some kind of roll in it. Miu mentioned a body swap. Someone swapped avatars with Gonta? After switching the color of his cords around? I really doubt they're executing Kohichi this early. It's probably going to be something that Gonta was controlled by Kohichi or else or accidentally committed the murder that Kohichi set up. I'll have to sleep on it. Going to be really pissed if it's a twist based off hidden information.
WHY ARE YOU ALL STILL GOING ALONG WITH THE CLASS TRIAL?
They figured they could take on the exisals with the hammers, but they're just going to go along with the class trial again when it's just Monokuma and all the exisals are inactive? They were going to brave 5 battlemechs but are scared of a teddy bear? There was a shot at disabling Kohichi's only leverage over them and they're just going along with it again.
Anyway, this murder setup seems like a cross between the next to last case from the 1st and 2nd games. It's an unknown victim like the 1st game, BUT it's also the group rushing to the crime scene after throwing specialized grenades at it like the 2nd game. Early theory is that either the body that was crushed wasn't Kaito (possibly corpse from previous chapter), or it was throwing the grenade that set off the murder which would make Maki the unknowing culprit.
They're really all over the place explaining how the grenade works. It has a 50 yard range, but Teebo wasn't affected, but he did feel sick inside the hangar. It says the grenade could have disabled the safety sensor, but why wasn't the press itself affected? Possible that killer knew they were goign to throw the grenade and set up the body to be crushed knowing the safety sensor was going to be disabled?
The crossbow. Could have been slipped through the window, but Teebo ay Himiko carried it to the hangar. But she brought it in through the front. How did it get delivered past Kohichi to Kaito? It could only fit in the cae disassembled, and (presumeably) only Maki, Suichi, and Kaito knew how to assemble it.
3 arrows, 3 holes in Kaito & Kohichi's clothes. Wounds in Kohichi's clothes would either be serious or fatal, while Kaito only had a hole in the sleeve. Possible only one arrow caused the wounds from multiple shots. Possible an otherwise non-fatal wound would be made fatal from the arrow being dipped in the poison. Since it was a slow acting poison, both Kaito and Kohichi could be dead and the one dying slowly from the poison could have set up the scene with the crushed body. Possible Kaito had more wounds that were hidden under the press. Someone was searching for a poison antidote in the lab. Evidence is pointing to that being done on Kaito's behalf since no one would do it for Kohichi, so it's looking like Kaito is the one who was poisoned and set it up.
Another possibility: BOTH Kaito and Kohichi were crushed under the press and you'd never be able to tell there were 2 bodies under there intead of 1.
But the motive? It would make sense for Kohichi to mess with the scene and obfuscate the crime, but why would Kaito? Why would Himiko or Maki help him? Voting the wrong culprit would still get everyone executed. The only point to crushing the body(s) would be to cover up the victim, and hence the culprit. Since you only vote for the first culprit in the case of multiple murders, it was to try and cover up the order? That's probably where the slow acting poison figures in (depending on how slow the poison act, could that be what was afflicted Kaito all this time?).
Just typing this I finally figured out what the electrohammer by the exisals mut have been for. It's obviousy Maki's hammer since she was the only one who didn't have theirs that morning (and she made some weak excuse for not having it). They said there was only 1 exisal in the hangar, and the other 4 were guarding Monokuma, yet there were 2 inside the hangar when you discovered the murder. And only exisals could get into the hangar without setting off the alarm. So it seems Maki used her hammer to get inside an exisal and break into the hangar. She got into the hangar and.....?
The motive for the body crushing still makes no sense though. If she knew what happened, why hide it? Kaito killed Kohichi, is still alive somewhere, and she's cool with them all dying except Kaito?
I dunno. I got nothing solid going into this one other than Maki using the exisal to get into the hangar.
I actually got 4 right! We couldn't have known the details behind the motive, but the murder and events actually followed my prediction. This trial seemed like the easiest to figure out.
Trial 5 conclusion, I got the Maki sneaking into the hangar prediction right and that's about it. I think everyone would have guessed the press was to conceal the victim's identity. This was another murder where you couldn't have possibly guessed the motive and certain events.
WHY DID YOU CRUSH THE EXISAL REMOTE AND ELECTRO BOMB WITH THE PRESS???? ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. They could have ended it right there. At that point they had 3 charged hammers left, a bomb, and control of 1 exisal against Monokuma by himself. And then Kaito just surrenders the red exisal. This might be the dumbest Danganronpa cast yet...
Trial 6 investigation:
At least Teebo has the right idea. Actually USE powerful weapons as soon as you get them.
WHY ARE YOU JUST NOW REALIZING THAT THERE MIGHT BE CLUES IN RANTARO AND KOICHI'S DORM ROOMS????
So the flashback lights can implant false memories. This is going to make any kind of overall plot prediction kinda hard...
How the hell are you supposed to complete the investigation within the time limit without continuing? I barely wasted any time and I still "died" 3 times.
So, the mastermind. Suichi seemed to figure it all out when he saw the pink fibers on the (bloodless) shotput ball. No clue what that means. Miu was only one who wore pink. She's not really dead? She would have been capable of building all the robots. It's weird that the survivor perk monopad still had all Rantaro's blood still on it but not the shotput ball. A different shotput than the chapter 1 murder weapon?
But the detail that stuck out to me was Motherkuma said the mastermind went to the room a lot. The only ways in were the secret doors in the library and girl's bathroom. That narrows it down to a girl (which it would have been anyway since Suichi is the only guy left alive). And someone who hung out in the library a lot? ......uh oh...is it going to turn out to be Tsumugi?
Rantaro was carrying his survivor perk monopad in the photo right before he was killed, yet you didn't find it on his body. So who could have removed it in the very short time between him dying and Kaede/Suichi finding the body? They witnessed the secret door closing as they entered the room. At the time, you figured it was closing after Rantaro opened it. But then you discover that someone leaving the hidden room wouldn't need to use the outer card reader and that's why the dust wasn't disturbed. So the mastermind had to have already been inside the hidden room at the time, came out to get the monopad, then went back into the hidden room right as everyone else discovered the body.
I went back to a chapter 1 save to look at all the hidden camera pictures, specifically the front entrance ones. The first 2 pictures were of the characters who were definitely in the basement together so it couldn't have been any of them. The final picture is those who weren't in the basement and only came after hearing the body discovery announcement. They're the only ones who would have had the time to exit the hidden room to the girl's bathroom and come back down to the basement that way. Everyone in that photo is now dead except for Teebo and...Tsumugi.
I thought it was odd that a bug vacuum was entered as a piece of evidence during the investigation. They talk about the small bug that Gonta kept chasing. I could swear that at some point in the game I heard Tsumugi mention that she saw the bug too. Wait, nanokumas? Guh, whatever.
Oh ♥♥♥♥, now the shotput makes sense. I went back and looked at every character who wore pink besides Miu. The only other one was Kaede. It would make sense those pink fibers were hers since she handled and rolled the shotput ball. But then why was the ball bloodless when the monopad still had Rontaro's blood? And if the ball was wiped clean, why are the fibers still there? Maybe...there were two different balls? The one that killed Rontaro wasn't Kaede's ball. The mastermind (Tsumugi?) was in the hidden room, came up behind him while he was looking at the camera, killed him with the shotput, then removed the monopad and Kaede's ball from the scene and brought them back to the hidden room. Kaede naturally assumes that it's her ball that's lying in the pool of blood. That would explain why the monopad was bloody but not the shotput covered in Kaede's forensic evidence. The revelation of the nanokumas shows that the mastermind knew about Kaede's plot and planned out a way to make sure Rontaro died while making it look like Kaede did it. I would love it if the revelation was that Kaede's ball missed Rontaro and the mastermind goes, "You didn't think that ridiculous ramp setup would actually work?"
Going in to the start of the chapter 6 trial. I'm calling Tsumugi as the mastermind. There was that cutscene showing someone who looked like Junko in front of Motherkuma. Does that dumb Cospox not kick in if she's dressed as a real person who's dead? She's going to turn out to be Kaede's twin? I guess there's the chance that the mastermind is just some unrevealed character, but that hint that they visited the library often makes me doubt it and put my money on Tsumugi. Who knows where that Kaede twin plot point is going to come up.