what's with this hope and despair obsession?

[hamsterofdeath]

especially at the end - they repeat it endlessly and go in circles for an hour or so....

[✨Nutkun7993✨]

They poke and make fun of the current DR fandom.

[aldaen]

Originally posted by hamsterofdeath:

especially at the end - they repeat it endlessly and go in circles for an hour or so....

Is this your first DR game?

[hamsterofdeath]

no, this was annoying me the first two games as well. that strange bear also almost ruined the game for me.

[Scorpio985]

Originally posted by ~Nutkun7993~:

They poke and make fun of the current DR fandom.

I don't think they do. To me they are trying to say that we want these killing games to continue, we are the audience of V3. When a character dies we are upset but not too much so as they are fake. As if we are watching a TV show. Sure you can take it as them making fun of the fandom, but why would they do that especially as danganronpa is breaking into mainstream.

[✨Nutkun7993✨]

Originally posted by Scorpio985:

Originally posted by ~Nutkun7993~:

They poke and make fun of the current DR fandom.

I don't think they do. To me they are trying to say that we want these killing games to continue, we are the audience of V3. When a character dies we are upset but not too much so as they are fake. As if we are watching a TV show. Sure you can take it as them making fun of the fandom, but why would they do that especially as danganronpa is breaking into mainstream.

It depends on perspective, for me I'm pretty sure they make fun of DR fandom, since literally everything they said and presented match to what DR fandom currently is. It doesn't matter how mainstream they have become, it's their goal, their creative idea.

[WizoDard]

Originally posted by hamsterofdeath:

no, this was annoying me the first two games as well. that strange bear also almost ruined the game for me.

" That strange bear "? I am doubting you have played both the first two games completely because you would easily be able to call it by it's name, including this game too.
I just checked your account and you did play them, but how can you not remember he's called, " Monokuma " and call him strange after you've played 3 games with him, knowing what Danganronpa is like. Half of me says you don't care for these games, the other half says you're a troll. The non-existent part of me says you missed the point of all of these games after playing a grand total of 130 hours on them...
This comment just annoys me for some reason, xD.

[WizoDard]

Originally posted by ~Nutkun7993~:

Originally posted by Scorpio985:

I don't think they do. To me they are trying to say that we want these killing games to continue, we are the audience of V3. When a character dies we are upset but not too much so as they are fake. As if we are watching a TV show. Sure you can take it as them making fun of the fandom, but why would they do that especially as danganronpa is breaking into mainstream.

It depends on perspective, for me I'm pretty sure they make fun of DR fandom, since literally everything they said and presented match to what DR fandom currently is. It doesn't matter how mainstream they have become, it's their goal, their creative idea.

Originally posted by Scorpio985:

Originally posted by ~Nutkun7993~:

They poke and make fun of the current DR fandom.

I don't think they do. To me they are trying to say that we want these killing games to continue, we are the audience of V3. When a character dies we are upset but not too much so as they are fake. As if we are watching a TV show. Sure you can take it as them making fun of the fandom, but why would they do that especially as danganronpa is breaking into mainstream.

Danganronpa V3 Theme Spoilers:
The main theme was trying to say that even if they're fake characters, they experienced real emotion from the events that happened, and the audience did too. Just because they aren't real doesn't mean they don't matter. That is what Kodaka was trying to get at and Shuuichi said it a couple of times during the trial.
Also these two comments above are major spoilers. You do realize we're in the General Discussion right? Please spoiler block them.

[hamsterofdeath]

"" That strange bear "?"
of course i know who monokuma is, but i played the game for the investigation and trial parts. the story turned out to be surprisingly interesting, but i don't see a need for the emphasis on hope vs despair as that doesn't add anything. monokuma is necessary as a judge/executioner/rule enforcer, but i don't see why he has to be so ... weird.

in the zero escape games, it all worked fine without these imho out of place elements.

[WizoDard]

Originally posted by hamsterofdeath:

"" That strange bear "?"
of course i know who monokuma is, but i played the game for the investigation and trial parts. the story turned out to be surprisingly interesting, but i don't see a need for the emphasis on hope vs despair as that doesn't add anything. monokuma is necessary as a judge/executioner/rule enforcer, but i don't see why he has to be so ... weird.

in the zero escape games, it all worked fine without these imho out of place elements.

The point of the first two games theme of Hope and Despair, because V3's theme was Truth vs. Lies, was that they are interchangeable and instigate actions on the people around them. They work together pretty wonderfully and that's why it's the theme...It works for the entire universe. Even though the theme of V3 is that it's Truth vs. Lies, that's just for the game world they're in itself. The overarching theme is still Hope and Despair. And the reason I say Hope and Despair, and not Hope vs. Despair, is they work together to make everyone human and who they are. Like if there wasn't any good there wouldn't be any evil. Although Truth vs. Lies works similarly, I feel like Hope and Despair are more entwined.

[✨Nutkun7993✨]

Should never compare to Zero Escape since that game is more serious and realistic, and much more into nature of human than Danganronpa could have ever presented.

Hope vs Despair concept in this series is pretty much Good vs Evil thing, when people go extreme in one direction, chaos is happening. It's like you see villain wants to destroy the world because they want evil and no a "boredom" not gonna add anything soild reason, and heroes who want to beat evil because they're hero. Except Evil is infinite, and is born immediatly, Good can only be born when evil is determined, as well as Hero can only be born when there're already bad things happening.

It's honestly a stereotype good vs evil you would see in Hero vs Villain comic. Many people only like Danganronpa because of a foundation of Killing Game itself, not that theme.

However in V3, Hope vs Despiar is presented differently. Both are just something people are fascinating intensively, and want more and more of these Hope vs Despair battles for sake of battle. In this case both are equally ♥♥♥♥ and is a real reason why Shuichi went full rejecting. Which is what exactly happened in DR fandom as well. Hope vs Despair is now only a mere method they use to form Fan KG, the actual stereotype meaning were long gone.

[WizoDard]

Originally posted by ~Nutkun7993~:

Should never compare to Zero Escape since that game is more serious and realistic, and much more into nature of human than Danganronpa could have ever presented.

Hope vs Despair concept in this series is pretty much Good vs Evil thing, when people go extreme in one direction, chaos is happening. It's like you see villain wants to destroy the world because they want evil and no a "boredom" not gonna add anything soild reason, and heroes who want to beat evil because they're hero. Except Evil is infinite, and is born immediatly, Good can only be born when evil is determined, as well as Hero can only be born when there're already bad things happening.

It's honestly a stereotype good vs evil you would see in Hero vs Villain comic. Many people only like Danganronpa because of a fundation of Killing Game itself, not that theme.

However in V3, Hope vs Despiar is presented differently. Both are just something people are fascinating intensively, and want more and more of these Hope vs Despair battles for sake of battle. In this case both are equally ♥♥♥♥ and is a real reason why Shuichi went full rejecting. Which is what exactly happened in DR fandom as well. Hope vs Despair is now only a mere method they use to form Fan KG, the actual stereotype meaning were long gone.

Pretty true, I guess I agree with you. But I am curious, because I haven't played any of the Zero Escape games, what are the themes for them?

[✨Nutkun7993✨]

Originally posted by WizoDard:

Originally posted by ~Nutkun7993~:

Should never compare to Zero Escape since that game is more serious and realistic, and much more into nature of human than Danganronpa could have ever presented.

Hope vs Despair concept in this series is pretty much Good vs Evil thing, when people go extreme in one direction, chaos is happening. It's like you see villain wants to destroy the world because they want evil and no a "boredom" not gonna add anything soild reason, and heroes who want to beat evil because they're hero. Except Evil is infinite, and is born immediatly, Good can only be born when evil is determined, as well as Hero can only be born when there're already bad things happening.

It's honestly a stereotype good vs evil you would see in Hero vs Villain comic. Many people only like Danganronpa because of a fundation of Killing Game itself, not that theme.

However in V3, Hope vs Despiar is presented differently. Both are just something people are fascinating intensively, and want more and more of these Hope vs Despair battles for sake of battle. In this case both are equally ♥♥♥♥ and is a real reason why Shuichi went full rejecting. Which is what exactly happened in DR fandom as well. Hope vs Despair is now only a mere method they use to form Fan KG, the actual stereotype meaning were long gone.

Pretty true, I guess I agree with you. But I am curious, because I haven't played any of the Zero Escape games, what are the themes for them?

It's hard to put. There's no clear theme to describe all of them since each mastermind has different motives and want almost different result at each time but all results connected together somehow. Unlike Mastermind in Danganronpa, who may has different motive and method but they're all related to Hope vs Despair, and all of them encourage their games with Hope and Despair belief, and their goals are almost arguably the same. Mastermind in Zero Escape aren't motived by any mainstream theme, they each have own individual reason and goal.

[aldaen]

Originally posted by ~Nutkun7993~:

Originally posted by WizoDard:

Pretty true, I guess I agree with you. But I am curious, because I haven't played any of the Zero Escape games, what are the themes for them?

It's hard to put. There's no clear theme to describe all of them since each mastermind has different motives and want almost different result at each time but all results connected together somehow. Unlike Mastermind in Danganronpa, who may has different motive and method but they're all related to Hope vs Despair, and all of them encourage their games with Hope and Despair belief, and their goals are almost arguably the same. Mastermind in Zero Escape aren't motived by any mainstream theme, they each have own individual reason and goal.

No... ALL 3 ZE GAMES SPOILERS
Akane's goal is to stop the spread of Radical-6 and save humanity, .

[✨Nutkun7993✨]

Originally posted by desienaalessandro23:

Originally posted by ~Nutkun7993~:

It's hard to put. There's no clear theme to describe all of them since each mastermind has different motives and want almost different result at each time but all results connected together somehow. Unlike Mastermind in Danganronpa, who may has different motive and method but they're all related to Hope vs Despair, and all of them encourage their games with Hope and Despair belief, and their goals are almost arguably the same. Mastermind in Zero Escape aren't motived by any mainstream theme, they each have own individual reason and goal.

No... ALL 3 ZE GAMES SPOILERS
Akane's goal is to stop the spread of Radical-6 and save humanity, .

Nope.

That's not theme. That's an end goal, an end result which I say connected to each other. All three masterminds use DIFFERENT theme AND goal at time to their games.

First is "9"
Second is "Prisoner's dilemma"
Third is "Decision Game"

I won't say anything about goal in each game since it's spoiler which doesn't belong to this forum. Also refrain from derailing a topic from now on.

[WizoDard]

Originally posted by ~Nutkun7993~:

Originally posted by WizoDard:

Pretty true, I guess I agree with you. But I am curious, because I haven't played any of the Zero Escape games, what are the themes for them?

It's hard to put. There's no clear theme to describe all of them since each mastermind has different motives and want almost different result at each time but all results connected together somehow. Unlike Mastermind in Danganronpa, who may has different motive and method but they're all related to Hope vs Despair, and all of them encourage their games with Hope and Despair belief, and their goals are almost arguably the same. Mastermind in Zero Escape aren't motived by any mainstream theme, they each have own individual reason and goal.

Oh that's cool I guess.

Originally posted by ~Nutkun7993~:

Originally posted by desienaalessandro23:

No... ALL 3 ZE GAMES SPOILERS
Akane's goal is to stop the spread of Radical-6 and save humanity, .

Nope.

That's not theme. That's an end goal, an end result which I say connected to each other. All three masterminds use DIFFERENT theme AND goal at time to their games.

First is "9"
Second is "Prisoner's dilemma"
Third is "Decision Game"

I won't say anything about goal in each game since it's spoiler which doesn't belong to this forum. Also refrain from derailing a topic from now on.

I was just asking a question, which is still related to the thread. No need to be a party-pooper.