Chapter 4's class trial is probably the best class trial of all time.

[Caulfieldd]

Not gonna spoil anything (do not read this if you haven't finished chapter 1 yet), but it was heartbreaking, yet very epic, too. It was so much fun, and it even surpasses the 1st class trial of V3 and the 5th class trial of Danganronpa: Goodbye Despair.

Also: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1166695255

EDIT: Yeah, Chapter 5's even better.

[WizoDard]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Sunwave:

I didn't think the 4th trial was all that interesting. Only the emotional payoff was very good, but the rest of it was, to quote Himiko, "a pain". It was so friggin obvious from the start what had happened. Except I was 50/50 on who the murderer was and the "why" was a bit vague.

Without saying why (cuz spoilers), personally my top 3 trials:
1) Danganronpa 2 trial 5
2) Danganronpa V3 trial 1
3) Danganronpa V3 trial 5

Worst:
Danganronpa 2 trial 4.

Okay well...I want to hear why you didn't think DRV3's 5th trial was the best compared to the other two. You are, of course, going to have to spoiler block why.

[Sunwave]

Sure. Though some things might be a little subjective:


- First of all, I don't like the things with the electrobobms. They are too friggin convenient, AND very hard to understand. At first I thought they worked exactly like the electrohammers, as in: they destroy/disrupt all electric devices, but they do not. They block sensors and wireless communication (safety function), but they do not disrupt electric devices (videocamera). This was really not obvious, especially since it *does* disrupt the energy shield (which I would qualify as "an electric device"). At first I thought maybe the press was pneumatic, but that doesn't explain the videocamara working.
- Secondly, there is (I think) a plot hole: After Maki gives the antidote, Kokichi almost immediately uses (one of) his electrobomb(s), right? Because he needs to explain the plan to Kaito before doing anything else. However, Maki also immediately goes to the console outside of the hangar and tries to get inside. It seems VERY unlikely that she doesn't notice when the electrobomb goes off, espeically since it would not just power down the alarm system (which she didn't notice, this is addressed), but it would ALSO POWER DOWN THE ELECTRIC FIELD. This should be totally obvious to her since she was standing right there! However, they never, EVER mention this in the trial. Seems too convenient.
- I'm a huge fan of the Maki/Kaito relationship, so that hurt (which makes the trial a lot better), but I'm not such a fan of Kaito himself. Most people like him, but to me he was just "meh". I imagine the trial would be better/even more interesting if you really love his character.
- As soon as Shuichi realized that Kaito/Kokichi were trying to trick monokuma and it was working, he should have shut his big mouth. I think this trial would have worked SO much better if the plan had worked correctly. Kokichi would have given his life to end the killing game succesfully, Kaito would have ended the killing game by believing in his friend(s), Shuichi would have ended the killing game by finding the truth (as Kaede told him to do) and yet *not* exposing the truth (which was a big thing for him, and goes back to "choosing a path") and Maki would still have lost Kaito to the disease so that would still be the same emotional wreckage. (And himiko and kibo would still be extras =P) It was the last "real" trial anyway so that would have been no problem.
- This would have led to a different chapter 6, but I don't care at all about the current chapter 6 so that's fine.

I hope I made it a bit clear what the weak points of this trial are, according to me. Still, I doesn't make a bad trial. It was very interesting and definitely close to the other two in my list. Basically, the principle of the trial was great, but there were some irksome details.

[WizoDard]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Sunwave:

Sure. Though some things might be a little subjective:


- First of all, I don't like the things with the electrobobms. They are too friggin convenient, AND very hard to understand. At first I thought they worked exactly like the electrohammers, as in: they destroy/disrupt all electric devices, but they do not. They block sensors and wireless communication (safety function), but they do not disrupt electric devices (videocamera). This was really not obvious, especially since it *does* disrupt the energy shield (which I would qualify as "an electric device"). At first I thought maybe the press was pneumatic, but that doesn't explain the videocamara working.
- Secondly, there is (I think) a plot hole: After Maki gives the antidote, Kokichi almost immediately uses (one of) his electrobomb(s), right? Because he needs to explain the plan to Kaito before doing anything else. However, Maki also immediately goes to the console outside of the hangar and tries to get inside. It seems VERY unlikely that she doesn't notice when the electrobomb goes off, espeically since it would not just power down the alarm system (which she didn't notice, this is addressed), but it would ALSO POWER DOWN THE ELECTRIC FIELD. This should be totally obvious to her since she was standing right there! However, they never, EVER mention this in the trial. Seems too convenient.
- I'm a huge fan of the Maki/Kaito relationship, so that hurt (which makes the trial a lot better), but I'm not such a fan of Kaito himself. Most people like him, but to me he was just "meh". I imagine the trial would be better/even more interesting if you really love his character.
- As soon as Shuichi realized that Kaito/Kokichi were trying to trick monokuma and it was working, he should have shut his big mouth. I think this trial would have worked SO much better if the plan had worked correctly. Kokichi would have given his life to end the killing game succesfully, Kaito would have ended the killing game by believing in his friend(s), Shuichi would have ended the killing game by *not* exposing the truth (which was a big thing for him) and Maki would still have lost Kaito to the disease. (And himiko and kibo would still be extras =P) It was the last "real" trial anyway so that would have been no problem.
- This would have led to a different chapter 6, but I don't care at all about the current chapter 6 so that's fine.

I hope I made it a bit clear what the weak points of this trial are, according to me. Still, I doesn't make a bad trial. It was very interesting and definitely close to the other two in my list. Basically, the principle of the trial was great, but there were some irksome details.

You made your point, xD. There's not much to, " counter-argument " anyway. Unless I start arguing about opinions. Whether you liked or disliked any of those was up to you, I differ on some of your opinions, which is why my point lies true. At least you had a good reason to not like trial 5 as much as others...

[Sunwave]

Yeah, as I said, a lot of subjective things. But you asked nicely, so I felt like typing it all out anyway.

[Sepiablitz]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Sunwave:

1) Danganronpa 2 trial 5
2) Danganronpa V3 trial 1
3) Danganronpa V3 trial 5

Worst:
Danganronpa 2 trial 4.

I agree with your worst and the top 3, but I'd rank them slightly different:
1) DRV3 trial 1
2) DR2 trial 5
3) DRV3 trial 5
4) DRV3 trial 4 (making this post relevant to the origninal topic)

The margins are very small though.

Worst:
DR 2 trial 4 (big margin to the next)

[JohnkerJohnson]

Sucks to hear that Ch. 4 had the best trial since some ♥♥♥♥ decided to come into my chat and spoil who the culprit(s) and victim(s) were while I was on the 3rd trial. Y'know, good times.

[LightlySalted]

It was new and fun to explore the virtual world with the old school graphics. But true, it was by far the easiest trial in this game, so far. The clues were easy to guess.

Though I must say, Miu dun goofed, her plan was very risky compared to the other trials. Probably more so in all 3 games. Manually logging out Saito could have been seen by others, and it didn't seem like she was careful to not be spotted walking to the roof.

[WizoDard]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Sunwave:

Yeah, as I said, a lot of subjective things. But you asked nicely, so I felt like typing it all out anyway.

I would read it anyway. I tend to type long paragraphs out, and I know I would feel bad if nobody read it after I spent so long typing it out. Thanks for expressing your opinion anyway.
:D.

[WizoDard]

Opprinnelig skrevet av TheElectricRaichu:

Sucks to hear that Ch. 4 had the best trial since some ♥♥♥♥ decided to come into my chat and spoil who the culprit(s) and victim(s) were while I was on the 3rd trial. Y'know, good times.

Technically this is a spoiler thread, but who spoiled it for you?

[WizoDard]

Opprinnelig skrevet av LightlySalted:

It was new and fun to explore the virtual world with the old school graphics. But true, it was by far the easiest trial in this game, so far. The clues were easy to guess.

Though I must say, Miu dun goofed, her plan was very risky compared to the other trials. Probably more so in all 3 games. Manually logging out Saito could have been seen by others, and it didn't seem like she was careful to not be spotted walking to the roof.

Why did you call Kaito Saito? xD.

[JohnkerJohnson]

Opprinnelig skrevet av WizoDard:

Opprinnelig skrevet av TheElectricRaichu:

Sucks to hear that Ch. 4 had the best trial since some ♥♥♥♥ decided to come into my chat and spoil who the culprit(s) and victim(s) were while I was on the 3rd trial. Y'know, good times.

Technically this is a spoiler thread, but who spoiled it for you?

Someone in Twitch chat, not here lol. I wouldn't've looked here prior to beating the game.

[Battler Ushiromiya]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Sepiablitz:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Sunwave:

1) Danganronpa 2 trial 5
2) Danganronpa V3 trial 1
3) Danganronpa V3 trial 5

Worst:
Danganronpa 2 trial 4.

I agree with your worst and the top 3, but I'd rank them slightly different:
1) DRV3 trial 1
2) DR2 trial 5
3) DRV3 trial 5
4) DRV3 trial 4 (making this post relevant to the origninal topic)

The margins are very small though.

Worst:
DR 2 trial 4 (big margin to the next)

Why do you think that DR2-4 is the worst? I honestly think it's pretty damn good.

[Sepiablitz]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Battler Ushiromiya:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Sepiablitz:

I agree with your worst and the top 3, but I'd rank them slightly different:
1) DRV3 trial 1
2) DR2 trial 5
3) DRV3 trial 5
4) DRV3 trial 4 (making this post relevant to the origninal topic)

The margins are very small though.

Worst:
DR 2 trial 4 (big margin to the next)

Why do you think that DR2-4 is the worst? I honestly think it's pretty damn good.

Honestly I can not really point my finger to it. The entire chapter just feels off. Forcing the participants to kill by starving them, the funhouse which looked designed to kill someone with its trick even though the designer and murderer were different people. It also has been a while since I played it so maybe that's why I can not exaclty say. But in both instances I played it, I went: This was not nearly as good as the rest.

In the end, one trial has to be the worst, hasn't it?

[Battler Ushiromiya]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Sepiablitz:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Battler Ushiromiya:

Why do you think that DR2-4 is the worst? I honestly think it's pretty damn good.

Honestly I can not really point my finger to it. The entire chapter just feels off. Forcing the participants to kill by starving them, the funhouse which looked designed to kill someone with its trick even though the designer and murderer were different people. It also has been a while since I played it so maybe that's why I can not exaclty say. But in both instances I played it, I went: This was not nearly as good as the rest.

In the end, one trial has to be the worst, hasn't it?

The designer was Monokuma, though. I definitely remember it being said that at least PART of the design was Monokuma's doing. And how is forcing the kill by starving them different from v3-1's motive, other than being less direct?

One does. And I'd say that goes to chapter 3 by a landslide.

[Sepiablitz]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Battler Ushiromiya:

And how is forcing the kill by starving them different from v3-1's motive, other than being less direct?

At first I thought it was worse indeed, but as it turned out, the motive was reversed. Insted of killing somebody to satisfy the mastermind with the first murder that gets the killing game going, the motive was to stop the mastermind from even getting to the monokuma machine and end the killing game all together. Just like the first blood perk worked reversed: Instead of helping the murder, it made it impossible for Kaede to confess, which is what she wanted.

Here is an example how DR2-4 would look if the motive was reversed: Gundum finds a device in the octagon automatically destroys the closest robot. He thinks he can destroy Monokuma and his spares with this, but when he uses it, it accidentally kills Nekomaru as in DR2 Monokuma is just plushie and nothing more.