Nagito or Kokichi? (spoilers if you haven't finished v3)

[xlightthefuse]

I wanted to make some kind of poll, not sure if this is the place for it but I'm curious as to what everyone else is thinking! Who do you guys like more? Nagito or Kokichi? I obviously love both of them and I can see them both getting along well due to their natures if they ever got to meet (one can dream) though Nagito had a slightly different agenda than Kokichi did and yet they were both considered the most crazy character in their respective games. (Nagito was actually a remnant of despair while Kokichi was not).

I prefer Nagito more, but I feel as though Kokichi knew a lot more when it comes to the killing game over all if that made sense. Then from what I remember, Nagito was skilled when it comes to getting everyone to a good conclusion when it comes to class trials unlike Kokichi?

So who do you guys prefer? Kokichi or Nagito in terms of intelligence? personality? methods? Nagito more specific in terms of killing himself while Kokichi planned an entire script for Kaito before his plan was carried out. They especially both died in episode five in their respective games as well! Also, I'm putting the entire point of V3 aside, knowing what happened at the end how the entire thing was all fiction.

[Battler Ushiromiya]

Kokichi. He's more intelligent and more interesting, you don't know his goals until nearly the end of the game, and he constantly keeps you guessing. Also, he's hilarious.

[neildittmar]

Hmm... overall I've got to say Nagito. I liked how for much of DR2 he tiptoed the line between helpful and detrimental, supportive and condescending, rational and insane. Kokichi came off to me as more annoying than anything, particularly since it was established early on that he was a pathological liar.

There is one area where I think Kokichi was far better than Nagito though ... his death and subsequent class trial. Even after two full playthroughs of DR2, I still think Nagito's death/trial was one of the (if not the) most convoluted and far-fetched in the entire series. It required a lot of reaching, particularly in how the culprit was determined at the end.

[CloverChiaki96]

Originally posted by Battler Ushiromiya:

Kokichi. He's more intelligent and more interesting, you don't know his goals until nearly the end of the game, and he constantly keeps you guessing. Also, he's hilarious.

Nagito was more trolly, he didn't seem like a bad person, Kokichi however felt a lot more sadistic, he didn't care about the others and was only looking out for himself, similar to a Nagito and Byuakuya combination.

[Battler Ushiromiya]

Originally posted by CloverChiaki96:

Originally posted by Battler Ushiromiya:

Kokichi. He's more intelligent and more interesting, you don't know his goals until nearly the end of the game, and he constantly keeps you guessing. Also, he's hilarious.

Nagito was more trolly, he didn't seem like a bad person, Kokichi however felt a lot more sadistic, he didn't care about the others and was only looking out for himself, similar to a Nagito and Byuakuya combination.

NO, THAT'S WRONG! Kokichi is, undoubtedly, an ally of the students. He acts antagonistic, but he is most definitely an ally.

[Inkie]

Nagito for methods - accepting dumb luck as a fact definetly made an unique case.
Everything else goes to Kokichi - he was just more interesting than Nagito's constant hope/ultimates fetishism.

[Sepiablitz]

For me personally it comes down to the following tie-breaker: Relying on pure chance multiple times or convincing everybody that he is the mastermind to halt the killing game.
Small margin, but Kokichi takes the lead here.
For everything else, it is a tie in my eyes.

[Angie 앤지]

intelligence and method wise, Nagito.

Personality wise I like Kokichi better, I find him hilarious and just a misunderstood guy. I hated Nagito lmao he was far too edgy for my taste and there wasn't really a mystery behind his actions once trial 1 ended in DR2

[WizoDard]

Originally posted by Battler Ushiromiya:

Originally posted by CloverChiaki96:

Nagito was more trolly, he didn't seem like a bad person, Kokichi however felt a lot more sadistic, he didn't care about the others and was only looking out for himself, similar to a Nagito and Byuakuya combination.

NO, THAT'S WRONG! Kokichi is, undoubtedly, an ally of the students. He acts antagonistic, but he is most definitely an ally.

Don't listen to Battler, he's Battler...
Although I do agree with Battler for the comment he replied to. Ouma always had good intentions for everyone. This can easily be supported by his interaction with Gonta and Junko Enoshima in the Talent Development Plan. Junko is belittling Gonta and saying he's a, " one of a kind " and suddenly Ouma pops up in the conversation and starts defending Gonta. Yes, he defended Gonta from Junko, the very person he manipulated in Chapter 4 for his own goals...He's not as evil as he seems.

[WizoDard]

I think that Nagito is smarter than Ouma because of many reasons and other things, blah blah blah debate, xD.
But to me it's clear that Ouma just makes himself appear to be smarter. His entire existence is based off of lying. You can bring up all these facts that Ouma did this, and Ouma did that, but all of that is mostly only from Ouma's mouth. The point of him is that you don't know whether what he is saying or not is true, which means he could be the smartest person in the world, or he could be rather dumb but just manipulative with words. Either way, we know that he is at least good at manipulating words to make things, events, and others appear certain ways. Which is way I believe most of the community thinks he's smarter than Nagito, because he makes himself appear that way.
Nagito doesn't manipulate words, everything he does is representative of how smart he is. You can say whatever about how he relies on his luck, or how luck dictates his life, while Ouma has to do more things on his own. But either way, we see what Nagito can do, and that's Nagito. But we don't know what Ouma can do. A good example of not knowing Ouma's intelligence is the entirety of Chapter 5. We have no idea if he planned all of that out beforehand, or just came up with it on the spot. He said when talking to Kaito that he came up with it on the spot, but he had an entire script prepared. Yet, there was an entire script prepared, and he said that this plan started since the beginning of Chapter 4, but it appears he never even planned this. Iruma forced him into being vulnerable, causing the Gonta situation, leading to Chapter 5...And with the rock in the grass, that was innovated too. He never originally stated carving the, " horse a " into the rocks, it was already there. I don't believe he planned out from the beginning for the rock to say, " This World Is Mine - Kokichi Ouma " but rather that he started doing random actions. All he did was slowly carve a couple letters in at first, but then he suddenly finished it in Chapter 5...
TLDR; Although it appears Ouma is smarter, he only makes it look so, Nagito is the person who is actually smarter.
( You can also pick apart Nagito and Ouma's conversation they had in the Talent Development Plan. During the entire conversation it seems that they are both one step ahead of eachother in what they're planning to say. Although, it does appear that Nagito is two more steps ahead of Ouma with Ouma letting on he knows what Nagito is thinking. )
TLDR 2; Ouma's existence is to lie, making all these theories we have on him based off of our opinions, and nearly no facts at all.

[Inkie]

But facts are the only thing backing up Kokichi's inteligence, while by words alone he doesn't sound very smart at all, kinda dumb even. His pile of childish drawings which is there only to hide real designs is good indication of his character.
Also the poison wasn't fast-acting so i assume it were just enough time for him to do anything he wanted, including the script. Anyway, preparing beforehand would be even more impresive feat. Only Junko could possibly predict something like that to happen.

[Cerebral Daemon]

I prefer Nagito a little tiny bit more, but honestly from my perspective they're pretty much equally awesome characters who've driven me to the same depths of hell.

Sidenote, I'd love to see all the clever characters reunited in the same game. Kokichi, Nagito, Byakuya, Junko (omg), Kyoko, Celeste, Hagakure (lol, as if xD), ...Wouldn't it be the most entertaining thing ever?

[BeastBox]

Looks like Kokichi got ruined a bit by bad translation, if you check some of the other threads. He could have been better without that.

I would certainly give the edge to Nagito. Kokichi is great, but Nagito is Nagito.

[WizoDard]

My opinion still stands that Ouma uses words to show intelligence, Nagito is just intelligent.

[TheKingofUruk]

Method and intelligence to Nagito but personality to Kokichi

Nagito was at least in my eyes far smarter than Kokichi and his case is probably my favorite DR case but he loses out on the personality front as Kokichi just a more fun character.

Kokichi was also a lot more direct and sadistic, at times just being an uncooperative ♥♥♥♥ just cause lol ♥♥♥♥ you, while Nagito was attempting to help in his own way and everything he did was for the greater hope.

Overall i'd give it to Nagito but I still love the cheeky little midget

[Battler Ushiromiya]

Honestly, I'd say Kokichi is smarter than Nagito, because Nagito's plans typically require his luck. Kokichi's plans, on the other hand, usually require his manipulations of other people. He actively has to use more intelligence for his plans than Komaeda does. Not to mention, he's able to guess what will happen to several characters