Saving... (Spoilers for the whole game)

[Electronic Toaster]

When the Bad End is reached in chapter 6, the player is asked to save. But when the player continues they can go back into the game and pick no to saving, and then when they pick no, the options become yes or no to rememdy the situation.

Is it likely that this was the home viewer voting through Keebo the entire game? As in, everytime the player saved they were voting through Keebo and saying 'yes' to save?

It is possible that 'save' worked in relation to the events of the TV show in the sense that it was probably a Hope/Despair thing. Which would have yes to save as yes to hope? It doesn't make perfect sense because Keebo pushes extra hard on the Hope stuff when you say yes to remedy, not save. Though I suppose that Remedy could just be save rephrased.

I wrote a whole bunch of stuff trying to figure out whether the player perspective in this game is the TV Viewer at home, but I'm interested in what other people think of this.

[SeaCatAnna]

Interesting theory. But I don't think the 'save mechanic' is through Keebo but through the Nanokumas. 'Cause in the beginning of each chapter 'we as the audience' see things that neither Keebo nor the Protagonist can know about at this point of time.

[Electronic Toaster]

Originally posted by SeaCatAnna:

Interesting theory. But I don't think the 'save mechanic' is through Keebo but through the Nanokumas. 'Cause in the beginning of each chapter 'we as the audience' see things that neither Keebo nor the Protagonist can know about at this point of time.

Yes, I agree partially. At the time I wrote this I was thinking that if the view we saw was what tthe audience saw, it would be possible to guess what the outside world might be, based on how the Danganronpa show was presented to the audience.

At the time, I was trying to explain or verify what the early prologue was,(the section we see at the start of the prolouge before they get their ultimate abilities which is labelled a mistake). I personally think it was there to explicitly show that Tsumugi created a fake version of the prologue. And we see it, just because.

I am more likely to assume there is a fractured viewpoint now, where we the player jump between multiple perspectives, rather than one constant one that holds true the entire game. ie Kaede, Shuichi, home viewer, Maki, Himiko.

It is possible that we see things through the Nanokuma's but we also see Tv ads(team danganronpa at the start of the game) like a home audience would. We also receive highly unique things like Makoto the normal person who loves watching Danganronpa, which doesn't really have any explanation in terms of who the viewer/ receiver/ thinker of that scene was.

I still wish to maintain that the Save/ Remedy thing we participate in at the bad end was seeing things from the home audience perspective because I don't really understand what else it would be. I think us saving being a version of voting on Keebo doesn't quite make sense though, because the range of actions that the audience appears to be able to vote on appears to broad to be limited to SAVE YES/NO. But we don't really know the level of audience participation. And when ever Keebo talks about his inner voice, it seems quite simplistic in terms of what it is saying.

It is always possible that people vote SAVE YES and then what that actions means is determined by Tsumugi or Team Danganronpa. Keebo, after all, always tries to save everybody, both through a range of diverse actions, but he also always displays hope, which might be the part that the vote is on. Whether or not Keebo should be hopeful or not.

I mean, as soon as he is freed from the influence, he goes to destory everything. not a 'hopeful' action, especially from the perspective of a game that is designed to have hope and despair lead to the same outcome, more Dangnaronpa TV. Doesn't matter what the vote is, as long as the audience continues to vote for anything.

[SeaCatAnna]

Well, I think that scene with Makoto could also be an advertisment, if you ask me. But I agree that choice with remedy and save is through Keebo.

[SeaCatAnna]

I'd like to think Keebo without the audience influence, believes that the killing games must end no matter what (by destroying everything). And neither Team Dangarnonpa and the audience want that.

[Electronic Toaster]

I suppose Makoto could be an advertisment. That would make other chapter starts, like Monokuma talking about all his dead Kubs, and the funeral with a picture of Kaede ads as well. It's the only idea that gives any kind of basis to what those things are because I certainly can't classify them as anything.

I would certainly like to think that those things are ads, because it allows me to argue that the start of the game Team Danganronpa ad for the previous games could be argued to be a legitimate ad to the tv audience, which would give more credence to my pet theory that this all happened in the normal Danganronpa universe.

If they are all ads, then it is possible to construct a partial theory of what the outside world is like, because advertising has an audience and a goal. So by attempting to examine who the ads target and how, it is possible to construct an idea of the (intended) audience. It certainly wouldn't solve everything, or even solve anything, but it could give a new insight. The Mokota one as an ad would probably be the most useful to examine for this kind of thing, from memory. I'll have to look at them later when I have time.

Keebo acting without control definately implies he has his own personality. So the guiding voice could just be a hopeful one from the audience. Because in such a situation, hope would mean that the 'game' should continue. Or in other words, what they have been doing previously should continue, because hope would lead the person to think a different type of result is possible from the same behaviour, and that things can still be resolved without any change in behaviour. It's when Keebo loses that 'hope' that he really disrupts the game, and allows new possibilities to emerge.

[Electronic Toaster]

Spoilers for other Danganronpa games (just a general everything Danganronpa spoiler).

I think if you try to treat the Chapter starting videos as ads then they make sense. But I don't really think it is possible to glean too much from them in terms of determining the truth of the outside world after watching them. I think most interpretation would just be me seeing my own thoughts/biases reflected back, so I'll just look at how they make sense for Tsumugi's version of events, and how they make sense for my personal theory, that this is the normal Danganronpa universe and the outside world are normal people who don't want a repeat of the historical Killing Games.

Chapter 1 - 4 are ads that talk about the new reveals that are going to happen in the chapter. They are images that are in flashback lights, or link to flashback lights, or parts of Rantaro's video(I know Rantaro's video looked like it was never going to be watched, being it was in a room that was supposed to never be open. But it adds intrigue and sound suspicious, so it still fits this general setup).

This stuff just looks like typical teaser stuff for what's going to be revealed next. This makes sense for either type of audience. It makes simple sense for Tsumugi's version, because they are trying to generate a type of hype for the show. It's just typical advertsing for TV shows.

I personally think part of Tsumugi's plan to cause despair is to make the currently fake Danganronpa show into a reality. So she treats it like a real show that will continue. Remember that the Danganronpa 3 anime has early versions of killing games and the execution of Chiaki as prime parts of the plan to spread Despair. So it has been shown that enjoying the killing games is exactly the type of thing that people full of despair will do.

Chapter 5 is Monokuma talking about the fragility of existence, as demonstrated through his dead Monokubs. This makes sense for either audience. It highlights the fact that life is flimsy, and can be lost easily. And Monokuma asks why the Monokubs even existed in the first place. I read this as a type of hopelessness of life, in that they lived, then were killed, and who even cares because they had no purpose anyway.

Chapter 6 is Makoto, who talks about hating his life, but finding something to be obssessed with that lets him continue. For the player, it's only through information drawn from the Chapter 6 trial that paints this as one of the home audience members for the V3 show.

In a normal sense, modern advertising really makes no sense to me, but when it is written for a story like this is might be more possible to interpret something.
So for Tsumugi's version.
The show is supposed to be incredibly popular, so the purpose of this would logically be to continue the success. They apparently largely have the entire world as the audience, so there isn't much growing of an audience possible.
So what is being sold is an engrossing event that will make you forget about your life troubles.
The weird bit is the fact that Makoto is not completely normal. He has a family that gets him down, but he has just been admitted to an elite school and feels inadequate. That's a bit specific. If they dropped the elite school bit, it would have more resonance with normal children.

So it sounds more like a testimonial of an actual viewer, rather than general advertising. Unfortunately it just kind of ends before he says what he also will do. I'm not sure what he is referring to, unless it's something like 'apply for the show aswell' or 'try my best too.'

The goal would be trying to get the children involved, because that's the only growth for the audience that already has the entire world. And using a child's testimonial makes sense, to get more children involved.


From the perspective of the normal Danganronpa world.
This would be utterly horrifying. It would remind everyone of how the Original Most Tragic event of all time ocurred. Because we saw in the Danganronpa 3 anime that basically bootleg copies of the first killing game were spread through the student networks of Hope's Peak, and they spread outwards. All the students seemed to be watching it on mobile phones, like this Makato. So this show would be encouraging children to watch it.

Maybe it is even targeting a rebuilt Hope's Peak, the one we saw at the end of Danganronpa 3 anime. Not only is the child a new member of an elite school but he is named Makoto after the possibly still around principal of Hope's Peak, and who is a highly memorable person from the original events which shocked the world. Also his personality is similar, in that he feels left behind and feels inferior to the others because of his talent. And these are things people would know about him, being as they saw him in two killing games, and know about him as the highly public figure of principle of a type of rebuilt Hope's Peak. Especially when those kids would know who Makoto was and probably trust him because of the general trust the world probably would have in him at that point. (You could technically say this about the 53 series Danganronpa show universe that Tsumugi claims, but that was like 49 series ago. Even with 3 series a year, that would still be something like 16 years ago. Especially when Makoto is part of the fictional part of the series. Would people still care about Makoto at that point? Judge my point how you wish.)

And this time, those children/ students get to vote on what they are seeing and influence the outcome. To be fair, you would assume that this ad would be early on, rather than at this late stage, but I think there is some wriggle room to say it could have been a general ad, and was put at this point because it would otherwise make no sense to the player.

Actually, in this context you can possibly guess what Makoto meant when he is cut off. It could be implying that Makoto became as great as he did because of his participating in the previous the Killing games. As in, any child could be as great as Makoto if they participate in this killing game by voting.

(One more thought. After writing this I started considering whether the audience for this killing game was mostly the students and children. That could explain the audience stuff at the end, like the twitter feed.)

So I don't really prove what is true. I just examined it from two perspectives. But it is massively terrifying if we assume that V3 happened in the normal Danganronpa universe.

[WizoDard]

Originally posted by Electronic Toaster:

***SNIPPED*** ( I be a savage )

But that's assuming that Tsumugi was telling the truth and the outside world was actually engrossed into this Killing Game. There is much more evidence to go against the ending of V3 being real vs. Tsumugi lying about most of it...

[Electronic Toaster]

Originally posted by WizoDard:

Originally posted by Electronic Toaster:

***SNIPPED*** ( I be a savage )

But that's assuming that Tsumugi was telling the truth and the outside world was actually engrossed into this Killing Game. There is much more evidence to go against the ending of V3 being real vs. Tsumugi lying about most of it...

It's true that I believe that my theory has merit, but I also include the Tsumugi version for three main reasons.
1 It helps as an introduction to what I am talking about., You might notice the Tsumugi version analysis can also serves as a type of introduction to what is being talked about, and helps show where difference lies.
2 It helps justify why I might be able to categorise these starting 'videos' as ads. and so justifies the analysis.
3 I'm doing a analysis of the ads, so while I'm here I may as well do something for those that think the Tsumugi version is true. It doesn't hurt. Especially when I decided that what I'm offering isn't proof, just interpretation to think about.

[Electronic Toaster]

Just a thought. But if it turns out that the Makoto bit was a real life bit, rather than an ad, it does go some way to explaining the audience reaction in the last trial. The twitter responses and Keebo reactions were something I had alot of trouble trying to explain in my theory. I assumed that they were faked by Tsumugi, because I really couldn't understand a general all ages audience acting that way. I had to decide that those bits were made up by Tsumugi, for me to say that the outside world was normal and the continuation of the normal Danganronpa timeline.

But, perhaps the audience of Tsumugi's Killing Game were kids and teenagers, like Junko's original target audience. As in perhaps Tsumugi's audience and tactics where similar to Junko's, with her early killing game and videos that start the most Tragic event before Danganronpa 1, as seen in Danganronpa 4 Anime. Junko started at Hope's Peak and used it as a breeding ground of Despair, by taking advantage of deep faultlines, like the Reserve course.

Tsumugi, as a copy cat, would have done alot of similar things, I assume.

The fact that Tsumugi made up new Ultimates could have a dual use in this regard, to copy the original, and to make it more resonant for the intended target students at Hope's Peak.

The second things is that the truth/lies thing makes more sense in this regard. It's easy to see why lies were fed to the V3 class, but what does the audience get out of it? They would obviously see the V3 class being brainwashed, but such a situation wouldn't engage people too much, except in a general 'help those poor people ' sense. If the audience is children and young people, they have less ability to discern truth. So the attempt to paint previous Danganronpa as fake has a different impact. To adults, they know it's all true so it's just general lying to them. But to the young who experienced it indirectly through history lesson, or while young, it doesn't have the same realness. So the deliberate attempt to paint it all as lies has a chance to work on them, or atleast confuse the issue. The Ultimate Real Fiction line could also work on them, in justifying/ making it acceptable to watch and enjoy, and making it unlear whether real people are dying or not. When it's 'revealed' that the V3 class were supposed to have agreed to be in the show, it makes it more clear that these were real people once, and blurs the line even more for the audience.

I acknowledge I could have started reading too much into this a long time ago. I kind of like this doing this, because it gives Tsumugi a menace and intelligence she seems to lack compared to the other masterminds, especially according to her own story of whats happening. She comes off somewhat incompetent compared to other masterminds. And her motive is not as strong as the others. But maybe she just is that plain.

This way she copies something, and adds her own twist to it. Afterall, this would mean her main target is the audience, who are participating through Keebo. So Tsumugi is allowed to make a few mistakes, because the truth is not the thing that causes despair in Tsumugi's mind. Tsumugi must have decided that despair can be manufactured, through the bluring the lines of reality. And the audience vote is the important part, as is getting them to participate, not demonstrating that Despair is the thing that most people will turn to when confronted with the truth. It was less important to break the V3 class, they were more used to break the audience. I mean, Tsumugi would have seen that Junko's usage of truth didn't work, so she would try lies instead. And it also means that even in a world that used to have real killing games Tsumgui managed to convince new people to want to see more, and fight twitter battles over who was the best character.

[Inkie]

To be fair, DR1-3 had to go through multitude of spin-offs and such to present Junko as actually cunning mastermind who were able to mess up the entire world and not just completely crazy girl, who failed to kill some high-schoolers, while having 2 traitors on her side.
Even if the ending to be taken completely straight, Tsumugi still performed relatively well, by Danganronpa standards.

[Electronic Toaster]

I was just thinking, it might be possible that Tsumugi used the same set of events to tell truth and lies to different groups of people. So this assumes the Normal Dangarnonpa universe.
This theory requires a few jumps, the main one of which is the audience. While I believe there are enough hints to justify believing this is the normal Danganronpa universe, there is less to explain the exact audience or situation of the otuside world. What I mean is that Tsumugi claims a world audience, but I claim a specifically young audience, based on their lack of concern for this tv show being so close to real historical events, and also reading the Makoto chapter 6 start bit as a tv ad, and then taking my interpretation as vaguely correct. Another part is also taking at basically face value Tsumugi's copycat claim, as in, Tsumugi's killing game would bare many similarities with Junko's first killing game(not Danganronpa 1, the one before it), specifically its young audience as seen in Danganronpa 3 anime.

Ok, so let's assume that Tsumugi was targetting children and school students. And she probably started off with Hope's Peak, but it doesn't particularly matter. Her target is high school students.

So children and teenagers know about the previous historical events, but didn't live through them, or were young when they lived through them. Here comes Tsumugi's version of these events. Such a 'copy' of historical killing games would seem fake to these people, but they would be really interested, because it features death and it looks cool and has past events they learnt about and stuff. So they think they are watching a fictional show inspired by real historical events. It especially seems fake because of things like the knock of version of the Hope's Peak. It's so audacious that that young audience would not believe it's actually real. They see all the flashback light stuff and know its false, so it all seems like a fake tv show they can interact with through voting through Keebo. You know, like a reality TV show, cause those things seem totally real, while also being fake in the back of the minds of the audience. (or like the game itself, or alot of fiction).

Now for the V3 class, they only know as much as any one else their age, through stuff they have been told. So Rantaro(and Kaede) start recognising the situation, but they have their minds rewritten with the flashback light. So now everything they experience is true to them, including the flashback lights.

So V3 class lives their real lives, and the audience watch a fake show. The audience gets heavily engrossed and vote on Keebo' actions and sentences people to death for being the blackened etc.

The reveal at the final trial was always planned to occur at some point, I believe. So we have a reversal at this point. The audience has been participating in what they think is a fake tv show. But Tsumugi reveals the V3 class were 'real' people who auditioned for the show. So the audience suddenly learns that all their actions were actually being done to real people, and real people were being murdered and executed. But also, these 'real' people were willing to enter this type of game. I think this would be the despair situation( the same type of 'despair disease' as demonstrated by Junko, and others in the Danganronpa 3 Anime, in which watching death and the like becomes exciting, rather than horrifying.)

This is why the audience starts saying that they invested so much time and they don't deserve a lecture, and oscilate between hope and despair. There would be many audience members who would refuse to believe that this fake show was actually real, partly because it seems ridiculous, and partly because they would realise that all their actions had consequences for real people. But at the same time the audience isn't completely culpable because the participants in this 'reality' tv show willingly applied, so the audience has some right to control them. I believe that the stuff that Keebo says, and the twitter feed could be explained by an audience such as this, while still having a normal Danganronpa time line where Junko really existed. (A justification for something like a group audience like this is always highly debatable, so this is likely the main point that people will agree or disagree. This theory is largely based on a theoretical way of seeing an audience that isn't directly identified at any point in the game. So take it how you will.)

And it is reasonable to argue in such a situation, that Tsumugi's argument that previous Killing game events weren't real would serve to weaken the audiences ability to use their knowledge of it. In other words, the audience has now just participated in a real killing game, and cannot rely on what they learned in the fiction of Hope's Peak and the like to save them. And it is a convincing argument that Hope's Peak is not real based on the evidence of people's experience, I mean it seems that basically everyone who played the game doubted for atleast some time that previous Danganronpa events were real.

Now this is the same time that the V3 class learns that they are 'fake'. So everything the V3 class has done to this point is supposed to be meaningless. So they are supposed to fall into despair at the same time.

So the same set of words and argument and 'fake' evidence works on the audience and V3 class at the same time, while implying totally opposite things.

The reason I like this is because the same set of actions and 'fake' evidence can be used on two groups, because to only work on one group at a time in this situation doesn't seem very useful. For example, with Junko's game, everybody knew how bad everything was, and they saw their 'hope' killing each other. But Tsumugi has to start the situation again, and she has no bad world to start with, so she uses a fictional world to entice the audience in and then teach them despair. And we all know that Tsumugi believes that fiction can change the world.

In this situation, this would confirm that Tsumugi is telling the truth when she agrees with Shuichi's argument that fiction has the power to change the world. This might also explain why Tsumugi accepts the result, because even if she loses, she loses to someone who understands her point. As in Shuichi wins the argument with the audience on the same level of understanding as Tsumugi's argument. That a fictionally created Hope or Despair are of equal power to each other and reality. And that fiction has the ability to reveal the truth, despite it not being real.

P.S Just think of the audience as being like us, in that you enjoy the obivously fake Danganronpa, and then you learn near the end that you were actually playing games with real people's lives.

EDIT ADDED MUCH LATER
So the reason I think it's Children and School students that are the audience is because I don't believe that anyone who properly lived through the original events would ever find something like Tsumugi's version even barely watchable, even as fiction. But I suppose that if it was a bit later, as in, it was only grandparent age or older who lived through the original version, then I can accept most of the world audience being sucked in and watching it as fiction without the baggage. Is that why the technology is so advanced?

Also, its possible that the audience does not undergo despair and begin throwing Keebo everywhere for the Argument Armament. It's possible that that was just extreme confusion and disagreement and denial. In that, everybody had understood the possibility that they were participating in a real killing game, but there was alot of disbelief and denial. I mean, if you listen to Keebo's words, the audience hated the plot twist, and hated meta twists, which could be the fact that everybody was revealed to be 'real' people who auditioned.

Here are some(not all) of the things said (I've tried to include things that seem more of a strech, I'm not just trying to include the ones that support me.)

I don't like twists like this
This is getting way too meta
I'm not here for a damn lecture
You can't just end it out of the blue like this
Who cares if they die, they're not real
We want more of the killing game
Do you realise how much I have given to this show
Well, hopefully there is another season
Killing games are the best form of entertainment

I think these can still make sense if you have an audience that has been watching this one series of fiction religiously and has just been told its real. They wouldn't rally believe its true. The audience doesn't care what's real, they just want hope and despair. I suppose the Truth/Lies aspect seems more relevant here. Shuich argues in favour of ending the lies. Tsumugi argues in favour of continuing the lies.

So I suppose in such a situation, Tsumugi wanted people to accept her fictional hope and despair, and keep watching this new series. Shuichi wanted it to end because people were really being hurt. But even if the V3 classes lives had been altered, they still accessed reality through their interactions. So the audience had decided that they wanted the fantasy, no matter who it hurt. Shuichi wanted the truth, even if it would be painful.

What I said is not evidence, but I think it still fits the facts, largely.

EDIT ADDED AGAIN
I think I've gone full circle now. I think the theme truth/lies comes into play at this point.
Hope and Despair aren't the point, its the truth and lies. So that Tsumugi offers lies. And the audience accepts them. Shuichi points out the truth that is in the lies, which is that no matter the ficitional events and setting, the people involved felt real things, including the audience.

So why would the audience accept lies, if we accept that the this is the normal Danganronpa time line?

There are two main possibilities that I see. And they depend on how close to the original events the V3 events are. If they are relatively close, as in before normality has completely returned, then its because people were afraid of seeing the truth. There has been so much despair and pain, and people wanted an escape. It was easier to deal with an apparently fictional version of the killing game with its obvious highs and lows and rules that determine the ending and the limits of interactions than it was to keep looking at the truth and creating real hope. So society would not be normal yet, but people were tired of pushing forward, and sought escapism. In such a situation, Tsumugi was offering a new set of escapism, a new Danganronpa tv show series that just started with V3. Tsumugi counted on the audience continuing the games through a choice of ficitonal and predictable hope or despair. Shuichi asked them to give up the fictional version, and face the truth.

If it's much later then it is as Tsumugi said, that society is normal and 'boring' so people looked for hope and despair in fiction, as they could not or would not find it in their normal everday reality.

Shuichi pointing at the truth that was in the middle of lies, could also resonate with the hope that is possible in the face of a despairing situation. And that turning too far away from the truth has a cost.

[Electronic Toaster]

Tsumugi stated that she was making the 53rd series of Danganronpa, that the world audience loved the show and that the previous Danganronpa events were fiction, that inspired the Danganronpa tv series.

There was evidence that Tsumugi manipulated video evidence. So she faked the prologue, Rantaro's survivor's video, application videos, and I believe she was able to do so because cospox was a lie of hers, but it just requires Tsumugi has good video manipulation skills. Tsumugi made ads advertising the show and plot twists and audience members that were shown at the start of each chapter. Tsumugi also doesn't say the Hope's Peak book is fake, only states that she copied it incorrectly in a hurry. Tsumugi also says she is a cosplay cat or copy cat to Junko. Even without Tsumugi's copy cat comment, the only way for Rantaro and possibly Kaede to recognise the Killing game at the start of the prologue is for it to have existed before, and since they didn't apply for it and this is the first series of the TV show, it would have to be the previous real version that they recognised.

This would all mean that the V3 class was kidnapped, was aware of real life Killing games in the past, didn't know about the tv show, never applied, and were not part of a previous Killing Game.

After this it branches into many possibilites, which depend on how much of what Tsumugi said was true about the outside world.

If you take everything else Tsumugi said as true, I believe you end up with a future world, many years after the events of Junko, where people are basically safe. Technology has advanced alot in the years that have passed. Tsumugi made a new tv show that everybody now enjoys, but this V3 season is the first. I would assume that it would appear to be fiction to the world, because nobody actually applied to be part of it. This is because any appearance of it being a reality TV show was unknown by the V3 class, because they couldn't guess they were part of it. And the application video is a reveal at the end. The application video reveals were something that makes the events 'fake' to the V3 class, and 'real' to the tv audience, but the audience doesn't care, they see it as part of the ficitonal show, which explains the Keebo Argument Armament and twitter.

Tsumugi doesn't attempt to produce despair, she produces both hope and despair. Her show is a lie made to show both hope and despair. And Shuichi denies both, because they both lead to more lies, rather than the truth.

So deciding what's going on outside is really based on which bits of what Tsumugi said you decide are lies, and I guess multiple of them could be lies at the same time. But the comments assume only one lie at a time.

'A world Audience' it could be a specialised audience that likes this kind of thing

'Everyone loves Danganronpa' everbody could be watching because they are worried for the class. This would have to make Keebo's argument armament and twitter feed lies.

'The world is safe and boring' It could be a few years later. In which case they could still be in the middle of problems just after Danganronpa 3 Anime. In which case the world audience decided that horrible escapism was better than actual reality. Or perhaps a world of defined hope and despair was better than one that repudiates optimism and pessimism alike?


That's all.

[Cem Yılmaz]

omg
a lot of ''righting'' ;)

[Electronic Toaster]

This is probably the Danganronpa V3 topic, within which I contributed, with the least amount of my writing in it. And this was only part way through working stuff out. It's kind of a mess because I was thinking out loud.

So uh, be careful when looking elsewhere.

<_< ... >_>


(I've got stuff all over the place!)