Chapter 5 - Is This a Plot Hole?

[Danger.OS]

Warning - super big spoilers for most of the game. I am done with Chapter 5 but not 6, so I would appreciate it if spoilers in this thread ended at that point in the story.




So I've been wondering something about the 5th trial's conclusion, as I don't quite understand the events as they are presented in Shuichi's closing argument.

So, according to Shuichi, Maki is closed off from getting back into the hangar, and so she tries to give Kaito the antidote only for Kokichi to take it from him. She panics, goes and attacks the controls for the door hatch with her knife, and eventually has to leave as she can do nothing. Kokichi then comes up with a plan, activating his electrobomb and then coercing Kaito into going along with his unsolvable murder plan.

My problem is...how did Maki not set off the alarm when she went to attack the controls then? It is a major point during the trial that Maki didn't realize it at first, and that the only way she couldn'tve is if Kokichi used the electrobomb. If he had done it before, she could have gotten in though, right? Am I missing something? It's fine if I am, I'm just not sure I completely understand.

To put it another way, if Kokichi had activated the bomb before Maki went to attack the door (which he didn't, according to how Shuichi told it) then Maki could have gotten in. However, if he did it AFTER she left, Maki would have set off the alarm when she attacked the control panel.

If I'm wrong about something, feel free to tell me. Also, if it's something that gets resolved in Chapter 6 somehow, that's all you have to say. :P

[WizoDard]

He did throw the electrobomb when she left, and that caused the alarm and panel to power off and not work. She stated at one point that it was too difficult to lift the hangar door up, so she went around to the window.
I am a little confused on what you don't understand...xD.

[Methellus]

I think this is actually a mistake in the Closing Argument. I'm decently sure that the Electrobomb was triggered before Maki knifed the control panel.

It is important to remember that the Electrobomb only disables (wireless) communication (i.e. the alarm, the press sensor) but does not actually open the shutter. Shuichi used his Electrohammer to do that. Otherwise, Maki could simply have used the Electrobomb she stole from Kokichi to open the shutter rather than screwing around with the bathroom window.

At least, that is how I interpreted it.

[Danger.OS]

@methellus yeah if we assume that Shuichi was just wrong there, that does make more sense. That is probably what it should be. I appreciate your help!

[Methellus]

Originally posted by Danger.OS:

I’m not sure that makes sense. The alarm is the only thing keeping someone from opening the door, I thought. After using the electrohammer on the door right before the investigation, The door just opens. This happens in a cutscene even, right?the door appears to open automatically with all of the survivors standing around it.

The door actually has a 59(?) character long passcode, as you learn from Monokuma the first time you discover the hangar.

By my interpretation, hitting the console with the Electrohammer actually bypasses that code, causing the door to open. However, the Electrobomb not having this effect is merely my assumption, mostly because Maki could have easily used the Electrobomb she stole from Kokichi to open the hangar door if it did.

[WizoDard]

Originally posted by Methellus:

I think this is actually a mistake in the Closing Argument. I'm decently sure that the Electrobomb was triggered before Maki knifed the control panel.

It is important to remember that the Electrobomb only disables (wireless) communication (i.e. the alarm, the press sensor) but does not actually open the shutter. Shuichi used his Electrohammer to do that. Otherwise, Maki could simply have used the Electrobomb she stole from Kokichi to open the shutter rather than screwing around with the bathroom window.

At least, that is how I interpreted it.

Wait, did Shuuichi say that the electrobomb was triggered before she tried to get there? Because that doesn't make sense at all...

[Danger.OS]

Yeah i remember that about the passcode, I think I wrongly assumed that the code was another way of unlocking the alarm if you didn’t have the remote that Miu made, albeit one that would most likely make you set off the alarm in the process.

[WizoDard]

Originally posted by Danger.OS:

Yeah i remember that about the passcode, I think I wrongly assumed that the code was another way of unlocking the alarm if you didn’t have the remote that Miu made, albeit one that would most likely make you set off the alarm in the process.

That code was just a humorous point. It didn't have any relevance to the case, and no way was anyone going to memorize it, since only Shuuichi and Kiibo heard it. Also, it makes sense that a code wouldn't work on something that's powered down...

[Danger.OS]

@wizodard he mentions her going, attacking the panel, and then leaving before he mentions Kokichi using the electrobomb yeah. I guess I was assuming that those things happen one after the other because he tells it that way, instead of simultaneously

[Danger.OS]

I could be wrong about the remote tbh. He does use it to control the exisals, but i might be misremembering that he uses it on the door as well.

[WizoDard]

Originally posted by Danger.OS:

@wizodard he mentions her going, attacking the panel, and then leaving before he mentions Kokichi using the electrobomb yeah. I guess I was assuming that those things happen one after the other because he tells it that way, instead of simultaneously

Yeah, I think it was a mistake on his part then. That order of events doesn't make sense. Shuuichi specifically says during the trial that the alarm would've went off, but Ouma used the electrobomb to stop that. Yet, apparently he mentioned that Ouma throws it after she goes to the door, which obviously doesn't make sense.

[WizoDard]

Originally posted by Danger.OS:

I could be wrong about the remote tbh. He does use it to control the exisals, but i might be misremembering that he uses it on the door as well.

No, he just uses it for the Exisals.

[Danger.OS]

Originally posted by WizoDard:

Originally posted by Danger.OS:

I could be wrong about the remote tbh. He does use it to control the exisals, but i might be misremembering that he uses it on the door as well.

No, he just uses it for the Exisals.

It is supposed to hijack any electronics or whatever so it’s not too ridiculous for me to have thought that, right? Haha

[WizoDard]

Originally posted by Danger.OS:

Originally posted by WizoDard:

No, he just uses it for the Exisals.

It is supposed to hijack any electronics or whatever so it’s not too ridiculous for me to have thought that, right? Haha

It's not a crazy thought, but it was never brought up that he used it on the hangar panel, or alarm. So we can infer that didn't happen...

[ionamaloum1]

Originally posted by WizoDard:

He did throw the electrobomb when she left, and that caused the alarm and panel to power off and not work. She stated at one point that it was too difficult to lift the hangar door up, so she went around to the window.
I am a little confused on what you don't understand...xD.

...I'm pretty sure she never mentioned that, but maybe it's just my mistake...