Ending questions (Spoilers)

[Mecahawk]

I have a few questions I wanted to pose because I'm not sure I understood a lot of the ending. I thought most of the game was fantastic, but the ending left me with a bad taste in my mouth.

Was the ending meant as social criticism of the Danganronpa players and community? Supposedly the audience turns over a new leaf but they STILL decide not to save Tsumugi or K1-B0 in the end.

Are they computer generated in a cyber world, or are they real physical people with their memories blanked and rewritten? It indicates the latter, but it seems strange to me that they would kill real physical people when in Danganronpa 2, it's all virtual and everyone lives and comes back.

Did they ever explain who Kaede's sister was?

Also, one of the outside world audience looked like Ron Paul to me.

[Sepiablitz]

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I keep thinking somebody will present something from the game that makes everything fall apart.

Well one more thing: Tsumugi can not be the person in Rantaro's video for the following reason: If you take a very close look at the eyes of her cosplay characters, you can see that even if the skin tone is only slightly different, Tsumugi will apply make-up except around her eyes. This can be seen on almost every cosplay of hers. However it can not be seen on Rantaro, so it can not be Tsumugi.

[CloverChiaki96]

Mecahawk1G님이 먼저 게시:

I have a few questions I wanted to pose because I'm not sure I understood a lot of the ending. I thought most of the game was fantastic, but the ending left me with a bad taste in my mouth.

Was the ending meant as social criticism of the Danganronpa players and community? Supposedly the audience turns over a new leaf but they STILL decide not to save Tsumugi or K1-B0 in the end.

Are they computer generated in a cyber world, or are they real physical people with their memories blanked and rewritten? It indicates the latter, but it seems strange to me that they would kill real physical people when in Danganronpa 2, it's all virtual and everyone lives and comes back.

Did they ever explain who Kaede's sister was?

Also, one of the outside world audience looked like Ron Paul to me.

We are not the audience, if we were the audience we would have played as Kiibo the entire game. The events of the Hopes Peak academy ark took place in another universe. In V3 they are popular media. We also don't know if the whole Kaede's sister was just to get Shuichi to lose hope.

[WizoDard]

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I keep thinking somebody will present something from the game that makes everything fall apart.

Well one more thing: Tsumugi can not be the person in Rantaro's video for the following reason: If you take a very close look at the eyes of her cosplay characters, you can see that even if the skin tone is only slightly different, Tsumugi will apply make-up except around her eyes. This can be seen on almost every cosplay of hers. However it can not be seen on Rantaro, so it can not be Tsumugi.

I don't see any make-up around the eyes...It could just be the white-glow that looks like make-up to you. I don't know...you might have to be more clear on your point.

Electronic Toaster님이 먼저 게시:

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Why are we assuming that Ouma was lying about the outside world? He could've just been telling the truth of what he figured out. We do know that he wanted to take out the mastermind, but how would lying about the plot contribute to that? And in the false timeline of events she originally planned on telling us through the flashback lights and in the real Danganronpa outside world, there's been a tragedy and it's a wreck. So we don't know if Ouma is referring to the flashback light wrecked world or if he actually knows about The Tragedy outside.

[Electronic Toaster]

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Electronic Toaster님이 먼저 게시:

I keep thinking somebody will present something from the game that makes everything fall apart.

Well one more thing: Tsumugi can not be the person in Rantaro's video for the following reason: If you take a very close look at the eyes of her cosplay characters, you can see that even if the skin tone is only slightly different, Tsumugi will apply make-up except around her eyes. This can be seen on almost every cosplay of hers. However it can not be seen on Rantaro, so it can not be Tsumugi.

I'm taking the Occam's razor approach, which is the least amount of elements in a theory is the best.

IF I have somebody who is apparently able to look like anyone, and demonstrates this ability, and who also says they cannot play real people, I find it easier to just say they lied about not being able to play real people. Especially when said person said they copied a real game. Which means Junko must exist, if that is true, which means Tsumugi did pretend to be someone real.

I can make one thing a lie(cospox), and explain many things at once. That is, who were all the fake people in the videos(Tsumugi). How can Tsumugi's comment about Junko cosplaycat be real, without breaking the cospox rule(no issue, the only thing preventing it is cospox, which is fake). How can fake video's of these people be made while the game is going, with the least amount of effort(cause cospox is fake. Tsumugi is always in the school, so she just needs some time alone and she can alter any video by herself at any time).

Or I can keep that the truth(cospox), and then have to find many different and varied ways to explain everything else that happens.

Which is, stuff like, Tsumugi needs other people, or some other technology to fake every video using one method(prologue remake and Rantaro's video). Then Tsumugi needed to fake the cast of previous games using another completely different method, because the first method probably can't be used infront of other people in a class trial. Then Tsumugi has the logistical requirements in needing to hide computer technology, or manage themovement of individuals or groups of other people walking around the School at various times during the game to be present in her faked videos.

It's not impossible, it just takes a lot more work, both for Tsumugi, and the person trying to figure out what happened.

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Why are we assuming that Ouma was lying about the outside world? He could've just been telling the truth of what he figured out. We do know that he wanted to take out the mastermind, but how would lying about the plot contribute to that? And in the false timeline of events she originally planned on telling us through the flashback lights and in the real Danganronpa outside world, there's been a tragedy and it's a wreck. So we don't know if Ouma is referring to the flashback light wrecked world or if he actually knows about The Tragedy outside.

There is alot that is unknown about Kokichi's plan

So I need to guess a few things, but in such a way that the 'psychology' of the participants hold.

Kokichi isn't stupid, so he needs to be basically certain that Monokuma follows rules. Monokuma needs to act this way, or else Kokichi would never think this is the case.

So the out come is, it is likely that the only time Monokuma directly lied was about Kaede. And we have Danganronpa 1 as evidence that even Monokuma will lie, in this exact way of the wrong blackened for a class trial. It's the exact same lie nearly, in that the Blackened lie as the one in Danganronpa 1 was that the Ultimate Hope is the blackened and deserving of punishment. As your evidence showed, the Monokubs can lie. Because they said 'we don't know anything about the mastermind'. Monokuma could not say that. he would have to phrase it some other way. The Monokubs are obviously not capable of the same level of trickerey. They don't have Monokuma's ability to tell the truth, while omitting important details. And, I think Monokuma uses this advanatge to produce lies or untruths, without being the one who actually says them, which means Monokuma does not compromise his position as being truthful, while also making it interesting without actually lying.

The Secret of the outside world is incredibly important for these reason. It must be the truth, while omitting important details. It is the latest evidence to Kokichi of Monokuma's limitations. If Monokuma gave an obvious lie(like the gofer project left a basically destroyed earth, meaning that everybody is dead), Kokichi would just label Monokuma as untrustworthy, and find another way to do a plan. The Motive can also be used somehow, according to Monokuma. And the flashback light in Kokichi's plan has to come from somewhere. Because Monokuma does not produce lies. So Monokuma would not make a flashback light.

So I think access to a Flashback Light machine(though probably not the main one) fits those criteria the best out of the options I have come up with. If Kokichi just went outside, it would not explain where the flashaback light came from. Monokuma or Tsumugiu would have to make a flashback light and give it to Kokichi. Which means Monokuma was producing lies. If Kokichi made his own flashback light, then Monokuma is just facilitating the transfer of the Flashback Light into the Neo world Program.

So perhaps the flashback light machine looked exactly like the one that Shuichi saw, in that it had future options mapped out. Or maybe not. It would at least have every flashback light up to that point. Perhaps Kokichi could only choose one option, rather than make his own. Also, technically, the Secret of the Outside World is that its lies, made by the Flashback Light Machine. That seems like the kind of truth but with details omitted line that Monokuma could use. It doesn't actually explain what is going on outside, but it reveals something that was untrue as being untrue.

The important part is that the flashback lights had gotten up to the story bit of Meteorites. With that the case, Kokichi could reasonably assume that the outside world would either look like it had been hit by meteorites for real reasons, or would be faked to look that way. So that's why Kokichi could take everyone 'outside', because he knew it would have to look like it had been hit by meteroites, either through trickery or it really does look that way for some other reason.

Depends whether an area of the Tragedy can look that way. I think its possible. The anime always showed the Tragedy outside area as having a red glow. Also remember that the Gofer Project back story indicates that there was rioting and stuff, which would look similar to the Tragedy anyway. Because outside looks like it is damaged by people, its not a whole lot of buildings hits with meteroites. Your milage may vary on this one. Anyway, even if outside is faked, it really cause a problem for what I'm suggesting.

It's possible that Monokuma lies regularly, but that makes Kokichi quite incapable of detecting lies, or Kokichi just guessed that Monokuma would have to follow rules and laid eveything on the line for that hope. I'm going to give Kokichi the benefit of the doubt, and say he has some ability to determine what is going on, and some ability to detect truth and lies.


And I believe Rantro's video fills in the gap. Because once everyone finds out the flashback lights are lies, they get the Rantaro video. The Rantaro video is not a flashback light, so its not made into a lie, and it says that this is the second killing game. Which is different to the story of 16 people on a spaceship by themselves.

Interestingly, I realised that the Hope's Peak book actually supports this story. If the V3 class received Rantaro's video and Hope's Peak history at the same time, they actually support eachother. Because both say there were other killing games. The other thing is that the Flashback light that Tsumugi gave of Hope's Peak, would be demonstrated to be a lie, in line with the general attempt to say they were lies, because it has obvious contradicitons with the Hope Peak History Book. So the Hope's Peak history book truth supports Rantaro's fake video to some degree, and also demonstrates the Flashback Lights are lies, which was meant to be intentionally revealed anyway, according to my theory.

[Electronic Toaster]

Oh, and before anybody says anything about my mention of Occam's razor. just in case :)

First, its a guideline. secondly, you still have to explain everything. It's trying to create a theory whose explanation fits with the least amount of elements you can. Not the theory with the least amount of elements. It doesn't mean that between two theories, the one with the least elements wins. It means when constructing a theory, try to not add elements unless absolutely necessary.


Example

-How does gravity work.

-Well, it just does.

-Wow, not only are there the least amount of elements possible in a theory, none. But you also manage to not contradict anything, and explain it in one short sentence. Best Theory!

-Wait, this guy said 'It does'

-That guy wins. His explanation has less words, making it better.

[WizoDard]

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Sepiablitz님이 먼저 게시:

Well one more thing: Tsumugi can not be the person in Rantaro's video for the following reason: If you take a very close look at the eyes of her cosplay characters, you can see that even if the skin tone is only slightly different, Tsumugi will apply make-up except around her eyes. This can be seen on almost every cosplay of hers. However it can not be seen on Rantaro, so it can not be Tsumugi.

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WizoDard님이 먼저 게시:

Why are we assuming that Ouma was lying about the outside world? He could've just been telling the truth of what he figured out. We do know that he wanted to take out the mastermind, but how would lying about the plot contribute to that? And in the false timeline of events she originally planned on telling us through the flashback lights and in the real Danganronpa outside world, there's been a tragedy and it's a wreck. So we don't know if Ouma is referring to the flashback light wrecked world or if he actually knows about The Tragedy outside.

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I think it's safe to assume that Ouma can easily detect lies due to his insane ability to warp the truth, and some examples of him actually catching lies: like in Chapter 1 he can tell Kaede lied about the receiver being on herself instead of Shuuichi, and in Chapter 2 when Maki lies about...I forgot what she lied about. But Shuuichi backed her up, it was that moment. And then the obvious extreme case that he figured out Maki was the Ultimate Assassin instead of the Ultimate Child Caregiver. It's more so not the benefit of the doubt given to Ouma, but literal evidence throughout the game, xD. He does state in Trial 1 that, " as an expert liar myself, I can tell when other people are lying " and this is most likely true.

[WizoDard]

I feel like we've covered this topic before, but we never fully determined what the answer was to it: what was the flashback light that Angie crushed? Without the one she crushed we were able to figure out the entire plot, so does that mean we were shown the flashback light later, or it was somehow combined with a flashback light? Because Chapter 4's flashback light was really long right? ( I checked and it wasn't that long, but it did present two topics this time instead of one. The meteorites falling and the riots in the streets. )

[Electronic Toaster]

WizoDard님이 먼저 게시:

I feel like we've covered this topic before, but we never fully determined what the answer was to it: what was the flashback light that Angie crushed? Without the one she crushed we were able to figure out the entire plot, so does that mean we were shown the flashback light later, or it was somehow combined with a flashback light? Because Chapter 4's flashback light was really long right? ( I checked and it wasn't that long, but it did present two topics this time instead of one. The meteorites falling and the riots in the streets. )

I think your solution is a reasonable assumption. I don't really know what that flashback light contains. But if the one after it contains what looks like two topics, that would certainly support what you think. I have no reason to challenge it. (Sorry, I'm being very formal there. I think you are right.)

[WizoDard]

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WizoDard님이 먼저 게시:

I feel like we've covered this topic before, but we never fully determined what the answer was to it: what was the flashback light that Angie crushed? Without the one she crushed we were able to figure out the entire plot, so does that mean we were shown the flashback light later, or it was somehow combined with a flashback light? Because Chapter 4's flashback light was really long right? ( I checked and it wasn't that long, but it did present two topics this time instead of one. The meteorites falling and the riots in the streets. )

I think your solution is a reasonable assumption. I don't really know what that flashback light contains. But if the one after it contains what looks like two topics, that would certainly support what you think. I have no reason to challenge it. (Sorry, I'm being very formal there. I think you are right.)

lol. Okay. I just wanted to hear some peoples' opinions on the matter, because I was wondering how the flashback light would've motivated people int he chapter to kill. It always has some affect.
( honestly, everyone was mad that Angie smashed it, even I was surprised, but I agreed with her. I would've smashed it too. )
Can I also bring up that Angie was the version of Akane in this game? In the sense that Akane had this, " gut instinct " that she would use to make claims during the trials. If you look back through the game, Akane's gut instinct is wrong once, and I think that's in Chapter 5 or 4...Every other time she uses it to predict bullcrap stuff like the fact that Nekomaru fell from the top floor, or that Teruteru used a light to navigate through the dark. And in comparison to Angie, while I was replaying the first trial in V3 for nostalgia, in the same way that Ryouma was making random assumptions about the mastermind and Tsumugi that we later found out were true, Angie was doing the same thing. In fact, at one point in the trial she says that Atua told her the mastermind was lying in wait on the other side of the secret room to kill Rantarou, Shuuichi and Kaede both disprove this saying there was no key card found and that was the only entrance. But, as we later find out in the game, the mastermind was in fact, waiting on the other side of the door. I bet she also makes some interesting predictions in trial 2 that are correct. ( Granted, she only said that Atua told her the mastermind was on the other side of the door, and then she made some assumptions off of what they knew saying that the mastermind snuck in before they set up the cameras, which was incorrect. So Atua was technically correct, and she was wrong. ) She also says at one point that she was going to ask Atua if they were correct or not about something in the trial, but he was sleeping. I am thinking of looking more into this because I have a sneaking feeling, since it's logical to assume Atua doesn't exist, that Angie is way smarter than she appears.

[Electronic Toaster]

I'm just rolling things around in my head to see if there are any flaws with what I said, or if there3 is something important I haven't adressed yet. So my mind is not ready to talk about other stuff yet. Anyone else feel free to talk about characters and stuff that Wizodard mentioned.

I realised on the last thing I posted, that the situation of the outside, as portrayed in the flashback lights, has some simularity to the Tradegy. I mean in the sense of violence and and rioting and wide spread devastation. Only the broad strokes.

It made me think of the Prologue, where Shuichi has deja vu of entering the gym for the second time. And where Kaede remembers her brain wipe. It is perhaps possible that the brain wipe isn't perfect. So perhaps the Flashback Lights are partly there to re-explain vague feelings or memories that might arise from the brain wipe process. So if the V3 class lived through the Tragedy, they would have, if the brain wipe is not perfect, recollections of terror and rioting and damage and explosions and stuff. And the Flashback Lights would take those parts that can't be completely erased, and make those memories serve the Killing Game. This is a continuation of the bit where I think that the Ultimate Hunt Flashback light used memories that some might have of the brainwipe, and use them for the Killing Game story, to prove that they did have their memories wiped.

This would mean that the general trend of Tsumugi's story was.

Wipe everybodies memories and implant one memory to make them think they are ultimates.
Gradually give flashback lights which largely mirror the outside world, but tell a different story.
Reveal the Flashbacklights as lies. Perhaps great relief
Then start new lies of previous killing games, using Rantaro's fake video, and real Hope's Peak Academy.


The the rest is total guesses. I'm just basing it on the first game. I have no proof for this.
Perhaps reveal that the video Rantaro Video is fake.
Reveal that Hope's Peak History is real, and that The Tragedy is just outside. Everything they thought was false, twice, turns out to be true. The Keebo being an audience surrogate reveal might or might not happen. It's not necessary.

Tsumugi is a copycat, so she probably would largely follow the original script.


However, Kokichi derailes the story. So where it was supposed to be revealed that the Flashback Lights were lies, it went off somewhere else. Kokichi did not reveal the flashback light machine, and Tsumugi had to use Flashback lights, infused with Hope's Peak, to combat Kokichi, but also purposfully left in some contradictions so she could largely continue the plot she had, of making the flashback light lies, and start the next plot thread, that of the Rantaro Video proving this was not the first Killing Game.

This might be why Tsumugi gives the rest of the plot in one final special Flashback Light at the end of Chapter 5. So she can move onto the next reveal she has in her story, which is the Flashback Lights are lies.

But then Keebo started destroying everything. Tsumugi didn't get to finish her story. They were stuck at the bit where Hope's Peak exists and the Gofer Project was started by Hope's Peak. However, Shuichi also found Hope's Peak History and Rantaro's video. This meant that Tsumugi had to improvise because the proper story elements had not been placed at this point. So Tsumugi still had to pull a Despairfull ending out, or else the whole thing would just be a simple reveal, and everyone would get to just go home. This would have been especially bad for the audience. Because the Despairfilled audience would probably not watch again after this. And Tsumugi would feel like a giant failure.

So Tsumugi decided to undo the Hope's Peak, because that was the biggest threat in terms of giving hope. This would lead to the fiction path being taken, perhaps. Tsumugi obviously decided that the best option was to make them fictional, and the rest flowed from there. I don't know when Tsumugi prepared the audition video and Prologue remake. Perhaps they were last second things. Considering the speed at which she can change costumes, she could certainly do them very quickly. It is still possible this was always going to be a reveal, but I don't prefer that option at the moment. I have no proof for my preference. It might explain the background issues for the Kaede spot. If Tsumugi had more time, she would notice the background being different earlier, and be able to prevent it happening. I think the vote might have been a last minute addition. But I have no proof for that either.

I think the actual reveal, of the fiction, was an adaptation to Tsumugi's story not being complete, and the stuff that Shuichi found through the Keebo chaos.

Anyway. Just some thinking.

[ShirakiSanagi]

I've noticed one thing about the card key motive in chapter 4. Kokichi couldn't use a card key to open the door in the underground passage because the control panel for the barrier can only disabled with a password, when Miu hadn't made the Electrohammer and Monokuma already confirm he used the card key to find out. As we can find, only the hidden room in the library has a card reader, I think that's the place Kokichi went to learn the secret of the outside world, as the rest of the students went to find him, they all said they don't see him anywhere in the Academy, that means he was inside the hidden room to learn about it.

[Sepiablitz]

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Well one more thing: Tsumugi can not be the person in Rantaro's video for the following reason: If you take a very close look at the eyes of her cosplay characters, you can see that even if the skin tone is only slightly different, Tsumugi will apply make-up except around her eyes. This can be seen on almost every cosplay of hers. However it can not be seen on Rantaro, so it can not be Tsumugi.

I don't see any make-up around the eyes...It could just be the white-glow that looks like make-up to you. I don't know...you might have to be more clear on your point.

What I mean can best be seen on the coplay-sprites of Kiyotaka Ishimaru. While the skin tone is almost everywhere else the skin tone of him, it is not around the eyes. This is can also be observed with lighter skin tone characters such as Chihiro Fujisaki.

Kiyotaka
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/danganronpa/images/c/c5/Danganronpa_V3_Tsumugi_Shirogane_Halfbody_Sprite_%28Kiyotaka_Ishimaru%29_%281%29.png/revision/latest?cb=20171027124543
Chihiro:
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/danganronpa/images/0/0c/Danganronpa_V3_Tsumugi_Shirogane_Halfbody_Sprite_%28Chihiro_Fujisaki%29_%282%29.png/revision/latest?cb=20171027123845

[Electronic Toaster]

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I've noticed one thing about the card key motive in chapter 4. Kokichi couldn't use a card key to open the door in the underground passage because the control panel for the barrier can only disabled with a password, when Miu hadn't made the Electrohammer and Monokuma already confirm he used the card key to find out. As we can find, only the hidden room in the library has a card reader, I think that's the place Kokichi went to learn the secret of the outside world, as the rest of the students went to find him, they all said they don't see him anywhere in the Academy, that means he was inside the hidden room to learn about it.

What you say does make sense. But the only object in there, really, is Motherkuma. Motherkuma cannot be hidden, unlike anything else in that room. I think that is way too early to reveal Motherkuma.
I don't know what the secret of the outside world is that would be in there.
What would Kokichi find in there to use as a motive.
Also, I am sure he would have checked the Rubbish bin and found the Shotput. And the Survivor's perk Monopad is just sitting on the chair with blood on it.

If the secret of the otuside can be moved, it can be literally anywhere. Also, the card key can grant access to, potentially, the whole V3 class. So for Tsumugi to put it in her secret room would mean she was happy with everyone walking trhough it.

I think the shotput and Survivors perk monopad, just laying around, would indicate Tsumugi didn't intend for people to just walk in there at any point.

If Kokichi saw the shotput, that would save Kokichi the plan, because he already can prove the mastermind faked a blackened. Which goes against the rules.

[Electronic Toaster]

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WizoDard님이 먼저 게시:

I don't see any make-up around the eyes...It could just be the white-glow that looks like make-up to you. I don't know...you might have to be more clear on your point.

What I mean can best be seen on the coplay-sprites of Kiyotaka Ishimaru. While the skin tone is almost everywhere else the skin tone of him, it is not around the eyes. This is can also be observed with lighter skin tone characters such as Chihiro Fujisaki.

Kiyotaka
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/danganronpa/images/c/c5/Danganronpa_V3_Tsumugi_Shirogane_Halfbody_Sprite_%28Kiyotaka_Ishimaru%29_%281%29.png/revision/latest?cb=20171027124543
Chihiro:
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/danganronpa/images/0/0c/Danganronpa_V3_Tsumugi_Shirogane_Halfbody_Sprite_%28Chihiro_Fujisaki%29_%282%29.png/revision/latest?cb=20171027123845

Whatever any one else's opinion is on this matter, this is not something that I will factor into my theorising. So I send well wishes to whoever wants to talk about it.

[Electronic Toaster]

I've just noticed something bad.
Monokuma gives everyone the Flashback light at the end of Trial 5. This is the one that has delayed 'remembering' through Chapter 6.
All the flashback lights are supposed to be lies. And the ones received in this one seem the same.

Boy talking to Shuichi about the Future Foundation using the gofer project to save everyone from the meteroites.
Makoto saying their memories have been unerased from being erased, and asking Shuichi to join the Gofer Project.
Friends say he should live on, and mention the gofer project.
Remember all being put into a deep sleep, for the gofer project.
Monokuma using a blackout light after they wake up from deep sleep.

I really see nothing in there that is even remotely true. If we take only these 'memories' as true then the following is true.

I mean, there is a chance the Gofer project is the same type of thing as Danganronpa 1, with everyone locked into the school.

But this was to protect from meteorites. With Makoto as Hope's Peak Principal. After giving them their memories and ultimate memories back(not mentioned why they lost them). They all went to Hope's Peak. And the Future Foundation helped. And Shuichi is wearing his ultimate clothes. Neither Tsumugi's version, nor the original Prologue supports this set of events.

So did Monokuma just start lying at this point? I don't think Monokuma gives out any flashback lights at any other point?

Apparently it has a special effect. SO maybe its not the remembering. But where is the remembering coming from as Shuichi decides that is what is causing it. There is no other effect for it to have.

I really can't think of anything else.

Edit added.

Monokuma starts lying pretty bad in the Chapter 6 trial. He says there was nobody but rantaro in the library, and Rantaro died to Kaede's fully automatic killing machine.
Even Montaro questions the fully automatic.

I guess that Kokichi's idea that Monokuma doesn't lie only lasts up until his death. After that, who knows. It is pretty much after Kokichi is dead that this new flashback light turns up.

Guess this proves Monokuma is not Junko. It's an Ai made to be honest most of the time, in the Junko way, but that can be turned off.... Well the other option is that Kokichi did not really think Monokuma told the truth. which makes him a plant for the Remnants of Desapir. I don't really think this.