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Yeah, I might have made a mistake about Monokuma being dead that long. I keep going backwards and forwards so I get lost sometimes. I haven't found it yet, but I'm willing to believe you. So if Monokuma was alive that whole time, then he has no reason to not know who is the murderer.
About Motherkuma. I had the feeling that it was said that the nano kuma information goes through it. But I might be confusing that with something else I saw recently.
I watched the Motherkuma bit recently, and it doesn't mention this stuff about using the Nanokuma.
So I don't think Tsumugi uses Motherkuma to watch anything. Its only stated purpose is to copy its own AI/memory into a spare Monokuma.
But why does Kokichi think Monokuma is a stickler for the rules. Kokichi doesn't know about the Trial one stuff obviously, if that is proof, but I would assume that Kokichi would notice stuff like this. How is his plan so badly aimed? Especially when Motherkuma seems to exhibit this exact behaviour?
First off, Monokuma can not be remote controlled. Just before the body discovery of ch. 5, an electro bomb was used which shuts down all wireless signals. But right after that Monokuma shows up. This would mean he is an autonomous AI like K1-B0 (who just felt weird).
(Btw: why were there even 3 electro bombs mentioned when only 2 were used and the last was destroyed?)
As I have already established previously, the video of Rantaro was shot in chapter 3, obviously not by Rantaro himself. Presumably a member of Team Danganronpa. However, during chapter 3, Monokuma lost his voice (and fur). Is that really a coincidence? What if the person voicing Monokuma left his usual spot and went into the acedemy to record the video?
More: Who did Angie want to revive? Rantaro! So to make it seem like the ritual succeeded, the imposter had to be in the Acedemy already.
If you think about why the ritual failed, it's really obvious: Angie was killed. However if she wasn't she was just burning a book away from doing it. So maybe her death was not planned by Team DR. Rather they just manipulated Korekiyo into planning the SEESAW-homicide and he just happened to kill Angie by coincidence of her walking in on him. This would also explain why he would still want to perform the SEESAW-homicide: He was already brainwashed into performing it and could not resist it.
Last piece of the puzzle: To make the killing game closer to the original of Junko, a twin of the true mastermind had to be sacrificed. In other words, the true mastermind is Rataro's twin brother.
It would now make sense why the video was faked: His plan was to be "resurrected" as his twin brother then have other people find the video before him, so that they would see that he is a survivor of the last killing game implicating that he is not the mastermind.
Sorry, I'm not trying to ignore you. I'm getting off in a minute and I want to say one last thing or else I won't be able to rest.
I found the bit where Kokichi negotiates with Monokuma over the chapter 4 motive.
Monokuma: With that said, You're not even gonna try and use that motive?
...
Kokichi: A crazy motive like this should be used in a more...dramatic way, no?
That's what I've been thinking, so I tried coming up with ways to use it...
And I finally came up with an idea. So this is my proposal...
A certain Someone is planning something interesting, so if we use the motive there...
Then I think that would reeeeeeealy spice up the game. So, are you in?
Monokuma: puhuhu. You really are an evil bastard.
So, how do you use that motive? Is the motive not the secret of the outside world reveal/ or flashback memory. Is it something else? It seems like the intention is to use that secret somehow. Not just know the secret, freak out and kill someone. Maybe you get to make your own flashback light?
That's all.
Well this sucks. I wrote out the entire explanation and it accidentally got deleted.
Here's the summary:
We consider Kaede the Ultimate " Hope " because she never gave up and kept pushing at the mastermind, eventually cornering her until she was forced to change the events of the game. And we consider Rantarou to be the Ultimate " Detective " because he was smart enough to figure a lot of crap out, and tried to work independently throughout the game.
Naegi and Kirigiri were only able to take down the mastermind because they were able to cooperate and trust eachother. Rantarou had no one to work with and had no one to trust, hence why he ended up dying. You might be wondering why Kaede didn't end up living with Shuuichi then, since Kaede was the Ultimate " Hope " and Shuuichi was the real Ultimate Detective, and the answer is pretty simple of you think about it: because Shuuichi wasn't assertive enough. He never stood up to his problems head on and didn't have the courage himself to take on the mastermind, leading to him having to rely on Kaede's leadership, which gave her all the attention during the Killing Game making the mastermind target her. This intern combined with the fact that she didn't have Naegi's Ultimate Luck to avoid any bullcrap coming her way like *the mastermind lying about the true killer and deciding to execute her*. Hint Hint>>>This exact situation totally didn't happen to Naegi in the first game.<<<Hint Hint If she had his Ultimate Luck she definitely would've survived that. No, in fact, the luck would've stopped her from committing the crime in the first place, like how it stopped Naegi from punching Monokuma and possibly getting punished for it at the end of the first trial.
If you go back to what I said at the beginning of this comment, I said that we considered Rantarou the Ultimate Detective because he worked independently and was able to figure a lot of crap out by deduction. However, you'll remember that Kirigiri was this way in the beginning too, but she had Naegi to work with. Kaede always said she liked being around Rantarou because he was comforting and relaxed. In a way, if Shuuichi would've never woke up with Kaede in that locker and instead it would be Rantarou, there's a giant chance that Shuuichi would instead get c-blocked by Rantarou and he would end up dead...Cool possibility, xD.
( basically the chances of Shuuichi and Kaede waking up together instead of Rantarou and Kaede made one of them die )
Byakuya: That Killing Game was broadcasted to the entire world and everyone watching.
And then Sonia said something like:
Oh no! I did a lot of bad things in the bathroom infront of those cameras!
Byakuya: Yeah...you sure did.
Sonia: I'll never become queen at this point.
Yeah, it was definitely broadcasted.
Here's the part. It's at 1:37:36 and Sonia's embarrassing confession is at 1:38:22
https://youtu.be/dsQ2Q_la4HA?t=5856
Although it does state that it only got shown to the future foundation, like Electronic Toaster said, Tsumugi was a massive fan and probably ended up seeing it anyway.
I agree with my Japanese buddy over here, xD.
Monokuma definitely knew that Tsumugi had killed Rantarou. If you go back and replay the beginning of the trial/the first half, you'll see that it actually focuses on two main parts: Tsumugi being the killer and Gonta being the killer, with a tiny bit at the end being focused on proving that Shuuichi is the killer.
Everyone says that Tsumugi lying about cospox didn't matter, but if you go back and replay the trial the evidence literally pointed at her face. Everything Kaede was saying about the mastermind killing Rantarou and them into this trap literally describes the case. Tsumugi got so anxious too, xD.
But anyway, Monokuma knew because right when the blame gets directed over to her and they discuss her, " bathroom" incident, Monokuma says,
" Oh? did I hear that right? The restroom, you say? Excellent! I was waiting for this moment! I am getting so excited right now! ".
Like he knew it was Tsumugi and wanted to see if they would be able to come to the correct conclusion or not.
Even the Monokubz know about the mastermind doing it too. When Kaede first brings up the possibility of the mastermind killing Rantarou Monotaro says, " I-I dunno any mastermind... " and Monophannie says, " N-Never heard of 'em... ". They clearly know it was Tsumugi. And the stuttering proves it, that's a key factor in the approach that they do know and were trying to cover it up.
This is only like the first 15 minutes of the trial, excluding the first 5 minutes of them not knowing how to start a trial.
Here is the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Gu0GGxs4rw&feature=youtu.be&t=370
The parts at which the events happen are here:
Monokuma and Monokubz being questioned about the mastermind committing the crime - 6:10
Ryouma being a smart piece of crap and predicting that Tsumugi lead Rantarou into the trap - 10:35
Korekiyo pointing out that Tsumugi went to the restroom - 19:29
I would like to point out one more thing: when Korekiyo brings up the topic of Tsumugi going to the bathroom, Monokuma makes his remark about how exciting this part will be, but Tenko mistakes his excitement over her taking a dump, when he was referring to her plotted out murder plan. At which point the Monokubz come back into play and say,
Monotaro - " Did you take a firm dump?! Or was it a soft one?! "
Monosuke - " Why're you assumin' she was droppin' a deuce in there? "
First of all it seems as though Monotaro is oblivious to the secret passageway in the bathroom and doesn't get why Monokuma is excited, but we can interpret Monosuke's response in two ways: The first would be of everyone's response without knowing what actually happened, that he's talking about she could've been going pee in there instead of pooping. The second is that he was saying, " why are you assuming she was going to the bathroom int he first place? ".
Just wanted to point that out.
One more thing, is it just me or did Ryouma have a strong belief that Tsumugi committed the crime? Every single time something gets pointed back at the mastermind it's because Ryouma says something. I have a feeling he can feel a strong malice coming off of her, like he would've been able to before Kirumi hit him in the back of the head.
I want to add one more thing. I think that everyone had the last year or so erased from their memory. and then they only received one fake memory regarding their talents, which was a confirmation of ultimate status. Their every other talent and memories about their 'ultimates talents' are real.
Remeber Danganronpa 1, how Kyoko had more memory removed further back than anyone else, because she also forgot her talent?
Well, if the talent confirmation is an added memory. That means Rantaro did not receive the ultimate confirmation memory. And Rantaro says alot of things that could be interpreted to mean he actually remembers everything about the Tragedy and lost no memory, because he makes alot of guesses about what is going on, each while making a deliberately 'scary face'. He also questions what plan the mastermind has for his memory. He even suggest Kaede will 'win', just after she gives a big speech in an attempt to inspire everybody to work together.
So I said, Rantaro is playing Kyoko's role. But instead of having less memory than anyone else, he has more memory than anyone else.
This coincides with Kaede, who is far more hopeful and capable of inspiring hope than Makoto was at the beginning of his Killing Game.
So Tsumugi had the Death road to combat an Ultimate Hope, and Tsumugi used Rantaro's full knowledge as a different type of trap, to lure him into a dangerous situation. Even the trap bait is extra knowledge given to Rantaro that is given to noone else.
And so, you have the player see the ultimate hope splinter the group, and the ultimate detective set up by actually having knowledge, with no trust between them, so the player is resigned to the fact this Killing Game isn't going to be that easy. And Tsumugi makes a deliberate point to combat what the audience would have seen in Danganronpa 1, which is those two types of people winning by working together. Tsumugi just defeated them both in the first chapter when they are at the height of their powers. Definitiely a useful and entertaining plan.
Spoilers for possibly every Danganronpa game + the 3 anime.
I mean, Monokuma in D1 is Junko. Monokuma in 2 is Junko AI. KuroKuma and Shiro Kuma in UDG are Junko AI's. ITS ALWAYS JUNKO AND I GET TRICKED EVERY TIME!!!! The only non Junko one is from the Anime, and he has a completely different voice. Also UDG has Hajime extract two Junko AI, and only one may have been used in D2.
There is nothing more ridiculous than Junko joining your class debate to discover the truth of a murder, but I leave this in the interesting but not proven box. I told everyone that 3 dead Junko's from the afterlife would work together for the ultimate hope to defeat Junko, the ruler of hell in that joke a few months back. I could have got it mostly right, except for the number of Junkos :) Because it would be (dead)Junko AI against Tsumugi, the copy of Junko.
The reason I mention the secret of the Outside World being access to making a flashback light, is because that is technically true. Maybe a one use one somewhere that isn't the main one. The secret of the outside world is that its all made up by the machine. It would also serve to not reveal the audience or anything. It would aslo explain why Kokichi has a flashback light to give to Gonta. And why it is a motive that can be used, as Monokuma asks about. Because the secret has to be used, its not a trap that causes the person who sees it to go insane and kill somebody.
I know there are problems. Like what happens when it gets revealed? IS that where Rantaro's video comes in? because it means that the Flashback lights become unreliable as a source of truth, but then it is revealed that there were previous killing games? So a new truth replaces it? It may explain why Rantaro's video is an actual video, rather than a flashback light like everything else about the outside.
Its a start of a possibility.
Not sure how kokichi can know many things, he said it is based on his "position". We can see he was gradually becoming friendly with Monokuma. Kokichi and Monokuma cooperated each other to make the game more exciting in ch4, basically it is not against the rule.
You mean his plan to challenge the mastermind in ch5? Didn't kokichi use Electrobomb to deactive all the cameras? That's why Motherkuma couldn't receive those scenes.
Ok, that explains the Nanokuma stuff going to Motherkuma. I had forgotten that part, and your suggestion and proof reminded me of that.
The Kokichi plan does include the stuff you say. You see Kaito explain what Kokichi said after the chapter 5 trial. But the plan is expliclty that the murder is unsolvable. This is important as Monokuma must follow all rules because otherwise it would be unfair, and being unfair would disappoint or infuriate the audience.
I suppose if there is only one time Monokuma breakes the rules, which is saying Kaede is the blackened, then its possible that Kokichi would 'correctly' identify Monokuma must follow the rules. That one time of breaking the rules is unknown to everyone at that moment. But Monokuma must pretty much always elsewhere follow the rules, or else Kokichi would not think this is true of Monokuma. And if Kokichi does not think that Monokuma is forced to follow rules and be 'truthful', then Kokichi's plan doesn't make sense at all.
I would have to assume that the secret of the outside wolrd motive must be some what true, as it would be the immediate evidence to Kokich as to whether Monokuma tells the truth. And it would also mean that Monokuma is truthful when he says all his motives are true. It is possible that Kokichi makes a mistake here, though. But I assume he has some evidence to go off, and isn't just hoping its the case.
Edit added.
I just want to make the story changed over bit clear.
Ok, so everybody thinks the flashback lights are real in chapter 4. Then one person or many find a flashback light machine machine which can produce a memory. A flashback light is either used to kill and the flashback machine is revealed in the Class Trial, or somebody kills due to the new knowledge everybody now has.
At this point, Rantaro's video is introduced somehow. Rantaro's video basically expliclty contradicts in most ways the flashback lights, by saying that there were Killing games before this one. Not that the world was destroyed. So that is a completely different story of the outside world. And its a video, this time, so it isn't destroyed by the 'All Flashback Lights are lies' reveal.
So the game continues, with a new reveal. It doesn't all fall apart. And that would be why Tsumugi still made the video after Rantaro died, and why it is inaccessible in chapter 4 and 5. Because the flashback lights are still 'real' at the moment.
Just a thought.
I'm sorry if this is a weird point to make, and I might be wrong. I was just trying to find a reason why Kokichi would trust Monokuma. Because if Monokuma just gave Kokichi access to the Gofer project Flashback light, it would be strange to trust Monokuma. Kokich would watch it, decide that it is completely ridiculous because it says everybody is dead, and somebody must watch this killing game with its rules. Then Kokichi would decide that even though Monokuma just gave him an outright lie, he can trust the Bear to follow the rules. What rules would those be? Because if Monokuma just hands out lies like candy, then really nothing suggests he follows rules.
It's not impossible, I suppose, it's just quite weird.
Kokichi says it would be unfair for Monokuma to not follow rules. But Monokuma would just be lying about most things that have happened, is that fair? Monokuma's normal behaviour as we understand from previous games, of always telling the truth, but omitting important details, and giving sublte hints, more fits the 'fair' assumption that Kokichi decides that Monokuma operates on.
So I have to assume that when Monokuma says secret of the outside world, it is, in some way, the truth, if not the whole truth.
I think the theory you presented fit the details you mention. I don't see any contradictions. You might need to specify what the brainwashing of Kiyo is, and how it occurs. It depends on whether you mean the stuff I mentioned about the possiblity of his memories being altered, or something else specifically, like brainwashing him in an attempt to control him to perform a certain action.
Theorising on this stuff is a slow process. It will be a gradual process of adding new actions or events, and seeing how your theory works in explaining them.
I don't know how the stuff I write is perceived by others, but I throw alot of ideas out. In terms of how much I wrote, the most is probably about the outside world. And that was probably the longest time as well. I kept write a whole idea out. And then within an hour I would cringe and realise all the stuff that that idea didn't explain, or got wrong. When I found that prologue alteration stuff, and made my interpretation of it, I thought it was real, but it didn't lead to anything else I could find, or have anything else tangible to link with. Then you found the Rantaro video stuff, and that kind of held both pieces up as more supportable. But I still worry about whether it all fits together, or whether it will all fit together.
I thought I managed to explain both the audience and Tsumugi a while ago, but Tsumugi has become elusive again. I don't understand her very well. I think the audience pretty much makes sense, based on what I think.
I'm really not sure this is going to make sense in the end right now. I keep thinking somebody will present something from the game that makes everything fall apart. This is a really weird situation. I've never found a story like this, which just doesn't quite make sense in alot of ways. When I finish stories, I have a pretty good idea of what happened and why. And then I examine in greater detail. Then you have ones that don't really make sense, but in specific ways that are acceptable ie. The hero wins, despite no really definable way why the guy won, or why they deserved to win, or why anybody would even identify them as morally right. Or circumstances where technically something would have prevented somebody form doing the presented action, but I accept it because the person wanted to do it, and would probably have the means to do so.
In this one, it really didn't make sense, because the entire series before it was very well written in that all the details would fill a psychological and emotional picture. I don't usually dig to this deep a level. But I got basically nothing from this one. It was just 'Huh'. Also, I had no idea what the author was going for. So I took a risk, and pressed forward. I still don't feel confident. And I keep wondering if the next bit is just going to make no sense, and produce some new fact that will unravel everything I said. :)
Why does superfan Tsumugi not know the details of Junko's killing game? Why did she need to copy it out of a book? Especially if it happened last year, according to my theory?
At the moment, I am literally forced to assume Tsumugi, or Monokuma, intended for the Hope's Peak book to be found, and for it to have contradictions on purpose, so that the truth of Hope's Peak could be revealed. This might be really clumsy and weird, really. I don't know why that would happen at this stage.
It might make sense for Monokuma to have specifically planted it, but there is really no evidence around this evidence, so it's really just speculation based on what you believe are appropiate actions for the characters, in the circumstances. Maybe Monokuma or Tsumugi might not like that the story was veering too far away from reality, with Kokichi's actions? Heh. As in, Kokichi added too much new lying to the story, so it had to be dialed back with some truth, Hope's Peak, but made with lies as well. I mean, its totally unfair if there is literally no truth to anything they know? Right? I have no idea.
Edit added later.
At least I also think Rantaro's lab and video were designed to be seen at some point, despite being the lab of someone who had died before the lab was opened.