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It's the Normal Danganronpa universe. The previous Danganronpa events all happened, and pretty recently. It's in the middle of The Tragedy. The audience is the despair filled people of The Tragedy.
The V3 class had their minds wiped back a year or two at most. They lost their memories of the Tragedy. Every thing that is a lie is shown to be given to them during this game. ie their ultimate talent recognition(not their actual talent) and flashback lights (Except Kiyo and Rantaro. Kiyo had his memories of Sister altered somehow, possibly completely implanted. Rantaro had no memories removed, and did not get implanted with the memory recognising his ultimate talent). The flashback lights are supposed to fill in the time that was wiped. The motive videos with their loved ones might all be real, though Kirmui's might be fake, because her's was the only one(I think) given directly to her(and so might have contained a flashback light). The Application video, Rantaro's video and Tsumugi's version of the prologue video were all faked by Tsumugi pretending to be the person involved in each video. Kaito's illness started during the Tragedy, which is during the mind wiped period.
Tsumugi lied about previous 53 series. About cospox. About Hope's Peak being lies. She did not lie about the audience existing, or that they love Killing Games, or that the audience can be people of the entire world.
But wait just a minute, if the supposed events took place before/during/both the V3, how do they tie in with Side:Hope and its conclusion of Naegi reopening Hope's Peak and all that?
If I'm getting what he is saying correctly, then the Tragedy could have ocurred ( or still be ocurring) during all 3 games and UDGs. Now, I don't necessarily think that this is the case, since in DR3, as nekonyashka said, the tragedy was seemingly over, and Hope's Peak was rebuilt. UDGs also kinda deals with the tragedy, except it's extension in Towa city.
To ask how the Tragedy may tie in with the Hope Arc of DR3; remember how the Remnants of Despair went on to keep being the remnants of despair at the end? They weren't going to go and commit the same atrocities that they had previously done, but they were setting themselves up to be conquered by hope and the future foundation in the eyes of the people.
My bet that the ultimate hunt is an extension of a small portion of the remnants of despair (not the 72nd class, but someone like Monaca with an obsession with Junko). Seeing that the remnants of despair weren't all dead, the tragedy may have been extended by fanatics, and glorified by the creation of the ultimate hunt.
All in all, I think that there are more than just one pocket of remants of despair in the world, and as shown by the tie-in-spin-off manga of Killer Killer, there is more than just Hope's Peak's story in Danganronpa. And I bet that Tsumugi, alongside whom ever still desires to be Junko's "Successor", is another group among the many Junko had inspired. (The Ultimate Despair, The Remnants of Despair, World Ender (Future Foundation), The Warriors of Hope, and The Ultimate Hunt).
It happens between Hajime sailing away, and Makoto reopening Hope's Peak.
Technically the story of Makoto and Hajime and Hope's Peak could be over. But the Tragedy definately did not end at that point. All that happened was the Future Foundation were ripped apart. And the D2 class were shown to have given up despair. And also remember that even the Future Foundation, in its current form is gone. So all the main characters and organisations are gone. This could be the start of a new arc, or the explanation of how the world changed significantly enough for it to end with Makoto reopening Hope's Peak. Because if I got it right, Tsumugi just took a world full of Despair filled people watching V3, and got them to empathise with the V3 class. And a lack of empathy is the main thing despair filled people lack. Her gimmick of inviting the audience into the show through Keebo worked the opposite way.
Also, Tsumugi could be the Junko we see during the anime talking to Chisa. Were we watching the afterlife? or two people cosplaying as their favourite despair filled people?
The V3 class have no connection to Hope's Peak at all. And nobody from Hope's Peak appears at any point. So, technically, it's seperate. It's just in the middle of the same event.
Heh, We are both on at the same time. And saw the message at about the same time, I'm guessing.
yea lol
I don't remember Motherkuma telling any lies, so I am inclined to belive her(?), meaning that Tsumugi was a true Remnant of Despair.
Motherkuma is interesting. It seems to be its own personality, seperate from Tsumugi. Previously the Mastermind would usually be in direct control of Monokuma. But because Tsumugi is in the game that seems less possible. The Monokubs are possibly different again. So the question is, can Monokuma, and Motherkuma, lie.
I haven't really looked in detail at this at all, but there are two main events that go int othis.
Event 1 Monokuma chooses Kaede as the blackened in Trial one. So there are a few possibilities.
1a Maybe Monokuma does not have access to the cameras. And Monokuma is technically seperate to Motherkuma. So if Monokuma does not see an event, he will trust the judgement of the V3 class. He is being convinced by argument, when not actually a witness. Motherkuma is actually in the library room, so it would have seen Tsumugi walk out with a shotput, and come back in with one and throw it in the bin. Technically it never saw a murder or murder weapon. Technically, it might be ok if Monokuma does not witness murders, because the truth is not the point. If everybody picks the wrong person, then thats probably ok for the Tv show. Everyone can still live on because that might be better for 'ratings'. Monokuma is still logical though, and will attempt to find the truth, because that's what he did during Trial 5. Motherkuma says that it copies its memories over to a new monokuma. So they might be seperate.
1b if monokuma is linked into all the cameras, then he is perfectly capable of lying, because he saw Tsumugi, and didn't have her as the blackened for Trial 1. But if Motherkuma and Monokuma are not linked then Motherkuma might still tell the truth, where Monokuma might be seperate, and be able to lie.
1c if Motherkuma and Monokuma are linked then both are capable of lying. Because Monokuma's actions are Motherkuma's actions.
Event 2.
The Chapter 6 trial. This doesn't mean anything necessarily, I just found it interesting. Monokuma forces the Monokubs to defend the Mastermind. I don't think Monokuma defends the Mastermind(can't remember)? So Maybe Monokuma can't lie that way. Monokuma knows who the mastermind is, and can't deliberately lie. This branches into two other possibilities.
1 The Monokubs can lie or misdirect.
2 The Monokubs can't lie, but they don't know who the mastermind is, so that's why Monokuma uses them to muddy the waters. Maybe Monokuma can resurrect his Monokubs without Tsumugi's input :)
Notes. Monokuma dies a few times. So each new Monokuma spare might not have all the memories the previous one did. It depends on whether Motherkuma sees anything outside, either through cameras or by being connected to Monokuma. And if it does have either or both of those things, then it might still not decide to copy all of its memories into the new Monokuma spare.
Sorry if thats a bit confusing. I have to include a number of possibilities, and I don't knowwhich is more likely.
Oh god Motherkuma, It's not Junko AI is it? No. She got erased at the end of D2 by Monomi, didn't she?
So Motherkuma, and Monokuma might tell the truth, as far as they know. That is, if they aren't connected to eachother, and do not have access to the Camera network. So they don't lie, but they don't have access to all the information.
Edit Added
NO NO NO
Spoilers for Ultra Despair Girls and Danganronpa 2
Hajime has two Junko Ai's at the end of that game. Do both get recombined to form one Junko AI for Danganronpa 2. Or are they both actually full AI's, and Tsumugi got hold of one because Hajime only used one of the two?
It cannot be true!!! There is probably something I am missing that makes that not the truth :) Come on guys. There has to be something!!!
OH THE DESPAIR!!!
I found there is some people in the V3 class already known Monokuma, they say in chapter 1 after he was destroyed by an Exisal:
Kirumi: "Do not celebrate just yet. I'm certain he has a spare that will appear momentarily."
Rantaro: "Monokuma's just a robot. There has to be someone controlling him."
"I did say that. But you know what? It's just a hunch."
"I'm sure wouldn't complain if that's how it all turned out, though."
In the trial 1:
Kaito: "Is it even possible for Monokuma to be the culprit?"
Monokuma: "Of course not. I would *never* do anything to you guys directly."
Kaede: "Even if you *can't*, it's a different story for the person controlling you, right?"
In the trial 2:
Kokichi: "But Monokuma would never allow a blackened to excape the punishment."
At those times, Kirumi and Rantaro know certainly that Monokuma can't be easily to be killed. Remember the survivor perk doesn't tell Rantarou any info about Monokuma, he might already know Monokuma in the past, and Kaede knew the rule Monokuma never directly murder except the mastermind controlling him (like Junko tried to kill Makoto directly in DR1), Kokichi knows for sure Monokuma would stick to the rules, probably they saw the previous events in the real world.
About Monokubs, I found out that the killing game in V3 is the first time they participate in. Look like they don't know how to lie, sometimes, they slip of their tounge for hints, they never thought another murder in ch3 and don't know how to do if there is two blackened even though all the previous killing games are similar, which hints the 53 killing games might actually a lie. In the trial 6, Monokuma destroys the Monokubs before Tsumugi reveals her true nature, probably to prevent them slip of their tougues ruining Tsumugi's plan.
Anyway, I like to point a quote from Motherkuma. When Motherkuma was in busted, she said "I can't birth Monokumas unless the designated person says the word "birth". She never says it was the mastermind, which hints Tsumugi rather than a mastermind but a designated person for the show.
I noticed the Junko's figure (supposed to be Tsumugi cosplaying) standing in front of Motherkuma at the end of chap 5, Motherkuma was covered with blue light around the head and her left eye (the despair symbol) brighten up red. While during the investigation of V3 class, they opened the fabric showing Motherkuma with no blue light covering and her left eye didn't bright up. Probably it doesn't really important, I just want to point it out.
I feel it is possible that Tsumugi is limiting the information Monokuma is getting sometimes.
The ghost stuff, and the Kiyo stuff is heavily concentrated in this chapter. Maybe make Monokuma shut up about it not being real.
Edit added.
Monokuma is turned off(goes bald) before the necronomicon motive. It is presented by the Monokubs.
Someone mentioned that Monokuma says he doesn't lie about motives. When was that? Was that the motive videos that showed loved ones? Those ones seemed likely to be real.
Edit added.
Hang on, if Monokuma only presents true motives. What about chapter 4, the secret of the outside.
I am prettysure that it is right after secret of the outside world flashback light that Kokichi starts talking about an outside audience. Did he get to see the real outside. The Tragedy and a despair filled audience watching Danganronpa TV? That would mean Kokichi is the one who made up the Gofer Project and the fact that the outside world is destroyed. And Tsumugi had to add it into her Hope's Peak flashback light. I'll have to look at Gonta's words, but he never actually specifies what was going on outside.
So why does the outside world get made to look like it is destroyed when they go to escape part way into chapter 5?
Sorry, you see a fire bombed world. That could just be what the Tragedy looks like. Kokichi made up a worse lie than the truth of the Tragedy about what was happening outside to make it more hopeless. Maybe?
I'm probably digging myself a deep hole here. Because the flashback lights already have the story of the Gofer Project in them in the machine that makes them. It is possible that Kokichi guessed, or took advantage of what was there.
The motive in chapter 4 probably true about the secret of the outside world, which only Gonta saw it but not with the rest of V3 class and Kokichi also know it if Gonta told him. The V3 class did see the outside world when they tried to escape through the passage, but it could be faked by Team DR since they were in a fictional world, so we don't really know how the real outside world actually was.
I agreed that it is possible Kokichi made up the whole Tragedy, that they were the last survivors of humanity, that the outside world is no longer exist, to throw off Tsumugi's plan, to give them utter despair to return. After all, he wanted to stop the killing game. So Tsumugi rushed her plan to make the Flashback light that give them hope again, make Maki try to kill Kokichi, and Tsumugi had to add those lies into the Hope's Peak flashback light to avoid their suspiciousness.
I haven't relooked at the actual phrasing for Monokuma saying he doesn't lie. But what you say sounds familiar.
I seem to remember that it was an acusation against Monokuma that he must have lied about the Necronomicon. But Monokuma said he does not lie. Which might be true. Because Monokuma did not give the chapter 3 motive. The Monokubs did. So if the Necronomicon is a lie, it is not a lie that Monokuma told. Monokuma went bald very early into chapter 3, and the Monokubs took over. Monokuma didn't come back into action until the investigation, where there is two murders and, I think, Kiyo asks about what happens if there are two murders, which murder do they investigate to find the blackened of.
Kokichi saw the secret of the outside world first. He then told Monokuma to reuse the motive in Miu's altered Neo world program, to get them to log in, because Kokichi told Monokuma that it would not lead him to murder and it would be a waste of a motive. Kokichi needed to let Miu's murder plan progress, and use Gonta to kill Miu, in some version of self defence.That would make it easier on Gonta to decide to do the murder.
We do not know that Kokichi did get a Flashback light originally, because he ran off with a key card. He might have just found out about the audience and seen the outside world, which is in the middle of the Tragedy.
Edited the next paragraph(I was wrong about it being possible the evidence shown to Gonta was not a Flashback light.)
Koichi did say it was a flashback light, and Alter Ego Gonta agreed with this.
Flashback lights are all lies, so how did Kokichi convince Monokuma to make a flashback light? I can't answer that. Monokuma never gives anyone a flashback light, I believe, so why now. One possibility is this is the only one that is true? Another is that does a flashback light work in the Neo world? Arguably, a flashback light would have to be used from the outside, real world. The Neo world wouldn't have objects like Flashback lights in them, would they? Miu would have seen to that. Could it have really been something else, designed to look like a flashback light? Because Gonta would only think its the truth if it looks like a flashback light.
Actual wording
Gonta: IS this... Flashback Light?
Kokichi:It looks like it...maybe the secret of the Outside World is hidden on it.
So it looks like it? Probably grasping here.
As we learn from Kaito, at the end of Trial 5, Kokichi was horrified during Chapter 4 and hated the apparent 'audience' for the show, and wanted them to suffer. And he used Gonta to do this.
So if Monokuma never lies about a motive, then the Secret of the Outside world is a true relection on the outside. And what is true is that the Tragedy is in full swing, and there is a despair filled audience watching the show. Which means that Kokichi learned about the outside audience and then lied about it by making up a fake secret, which was the Gofer Project. And when Kokichi leads the V3 class to the outside in chapter 5, it is probably the results of The Tragedy they see. And Tsumugi took that set of lies and created a new set of lies. Remember how the next flashback after the end of Chapter 4 takes quite a few days. Tsumugi has to put the story in, and then work on some alternate paths, and also reintroduce hope.
I mean, the alternative is that Kokichi decided that there was an audience because of the Gofer project Flashback Light. Which is, I suppose, possible. Why the game if everybody is dead. But that means that Monokuma produces motives that are lies as well, which is also stll possible. There is quite alot of Monokuma material to search through to find out whether he lies or not.
I think the stuff I mentioned about Monokuma still fits, like the bit below about being dead around the entire time of the incident, and him using Monokubs to tell lies to protect the mastermind in chapter 6 trial, and Motherkuma telling hints about the mastermind. Also Kokichi tells Kaito that Monokuma is a stickler for the rules. That Monokuma is restricted by the rules. And this is at the very heart of Kokichi's plan. Because if Monokuma gets it wrong, apparently that would ruin the whole game. As it turns out, that is not important. But Kokichi identifies Monokuma that way, and all the many things I have mentioned seem to be deliberate attempts by Tsumugi to get around those facts of Monokuma. Kokichi's only interactions with the Mastermind, have been Monokuma. So Kokichi would understand that type of personality stuff, and make accurate judgements of how Monokuma operated. So Kokichi must also believe that Monokuma follows rules, and doesn't lie, or else his role as arbiter is impaired. Monokuma is more likely to just omit the truth of things to make it interesting. He doesn't just lie. If Kokich thought Monokuma could just lie or not follow rules then Kokichi's entire plan makes no sense.
Now, If you are thinking of chapter 1 and suspect that Monokuma lies there, it is actually possible to explain that.
Monokuma is dead from part way into chapter 1 until Rantaro is murdered. He then pops out while Rantaro is dead and everyone is looking at the body. So If he did not see the murder or anything leading up to it, he is not lying if he says Kaede is the blackened. All he could go off is the trial, which led to Kaede.
Could this be why the Monokubs killed him. Because Tsumugi knows Monokuma must tell the truth. So it's necessary for Tsumugi to have him dead and witness no events surrounding the murder, so that Tsumugi can perform her murder/evidence plant/manipulation with Monokuma being aware, and punishing the entire class for getting it wrong. Also, Monokuma says he has to make things interesting. So he would have to give hints of some kind.
This might mean that Motherkuma can be turned off, so that it doesn't see Tsumugi walking around in the secret Library room during the murder. Because, you would assume, that it would transfer its memories to the Monokuma whole sale, like it says it does. Motherkuma's only apparent, and stated function, is to make copies of Monokuma. So it wouldn't necessarily need to be turned on all the time. Nor would it necessarily monitor the Nanokubs or aything like that. We don't even know that it gets information back from the active Monokumas.
Tsumugi is a super fan. She seeks that stuff out. I mean, not only do the Danganronpa 2 events broadcast to the entire Future Foundation(I think this is true), but it involves the Danganronpa 2 class, who are likely the most notorious Remnants of Despair of all time. And it involves the Junko AI, the last 'living' version of Junko, the Ultimate Despair. It was all recorded on computers, being that it was in a computer.
Anybody interested in this stuff would HAVE to find this information.
Tsumugi has managed to build a dome around the V3 class, organise kidnappings of people from across the country/world, steal or build build Monokuma AI (And every Monokuma has been Junko, so could this one be so too?) have Keebo built with inbuild cameras for the audience, have access to Nanokumas, have access to Flashback Light technology, Broadcast tv across the world. All of this, presumably through Remnants of Despair people/ultimates.
Would someone who thinks they are a living copy of Junko, and with all this access to various technologies and people just shrug their shoulders about knowing more about Junko?
Danganronpa 3 Anime spoilers
Chisa knows all about this stuff, she even knew the real Chiaki even before any other method is considered. It wouldn't be hard.
It was possibly Tsumugi dressed as Junko in the anime at the end, watching the Anime killing game with a friend role playing as Chisa. Even if Tsumugi did not talk to Chisa,
she can still research Chisa or anyone else. I mean, a lot of important people at the Future Foundation required Makoto to go and justify himself infront of the Future Foundation explicly based on his actions in Danganronpa 2
And there are surely some other Remnants of Despair in the Future Foundation.
I think Monokuma did know Tsumugi was the one who killed Rantaro, but he deliberately covered her up. As in the trial 1, when Tsumugi said she went to the bathroom, he noticed something interesting in it but he followed the class's verdict.
I don't think Tsumugi would turn off Motherkuma even if it's possible, cuz she had to observe the library through Motherkuma, so she would know Rantarou was in the library and Kaede's trap, then went outside the hidden room to kill him in the right time.