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Danganronpa 1, Super Danganronpa 2 and Danganronpa: AnotherEpisode exist as video games in the V3 world, and Danganronpa 3 exists as an anime series. The Japanese script makes this completely clear, so in this respect the world of V3 is just like our world.
However, at some point in the Danganronpa franchise in the V3 world (Danganronpa 52 at the very earliest), they switched from purely fictional media to using real human beings with implanted false memories. In order words, Kaede and Shuichi and all the others were real humans - real bodies and brains - experiencing completely real emotions. Kind of like an actual reality TV show.
The reason Tsumugi referred to them as "fictional characters" was because their original personalities had been wiped, and all their memories, backstory and traits had been invented and implanted by Team Danganronpa using the Flashback Lights. The fact that Tsumugi wasn't able to cosplay as them indicates that despite what she wanted them to believe for the sake of the show, they weren't actually "fictional" in the same way that the original casts were (in the V3 world). No amount of memory shenanigans can stop you from being a real person.
This also clears up a lot of the "Kodaka hates his fans" responses I've seen to the ending. Kodaka isn't criticising people for enjoying Danganronpa. He wouldn't write them if he didn't understand the appeal himself. But in the world of V3, the audience is willing to put *real people* through *real suffering* for the sake of their entertainment, and that's why Shuichi and the others were able to defy the "script" and reject Danganronpa. Because they were real people all along.
But it was really dangerous to explode infront of people's face about the whole alternate universe where it's similar to reality with the built up emotions where people are so interested in the characters whom seem to just somewhat give a middle finger to the players.
My theory is that there's a true mastermind behind all of this that gave Tsumugi her ability to change cosplays at any given moment (Because things like Assassins, Detectives, Magicians, Artists, etc. in V3 are all viable talents).
Since the mastermind always respects fairness, that'd mean Tsumugi wouldn't be able to impersonate other members (Remember how Imposter Togami couldn't impersonate other people in SDR2 despite being able to before then?) so they wouldn't come to a mistrial.
Notice how Tsumugi has the opinion of "screw the rules" the entire time, yet Monokuma still follows them. Also, about Monokuma. In 1, 2, and 3, the mastermind is completely unable to control Monokuma while present in the courtroom, but in V3 he suddenly can. Sure, you can write it off as "oh well the scripting that's why", but the ending of V3 goes against Tsumigi's script entirely.
For anyone that says he could be remote controlled, notice how Kokichi couldn't control the Monobeasts with his remote that well. It had basic functions. Here, we see Monokuma having actual dialogue in depth to the discussion. He even starts talking at the same time as Tsumugi during the Mass Panic Debate. Oh, and in DR1/2/3, Monokuma's voice was always acting by the Mastermind. V3 was no different with Tsumugi being able to use Monokuma's voice. Then how didn't they figure out it was Tsumugi the entire time, since she couldn't use a microphone in a remote location to talk for Monokuma? Or for that matter, the unsolvable case with Kokichi where Monokuma appears in front of Tsumugi and starts talking?
Either that or the ending was just plastered on top of the complete game in a rush to finish it. Something about the ending connects, but it all feels like the ending doesn't make sense when you consider cases 2-5.
I think it's safe to assume that Tsumugi was just as 'fictional' as the rest of them, and was a product of flashback lights herself. Team Danganronpa would've created her to be the mastermind who was obsessed with Danganronpa and had memories of working on the previous 52. I don't believe she was actually involved in writing the script for 53 at all, I think her belief that she was was just another part of it.
I don't recall any mention of the Imposter in SDR2 being unable to disguise himself as other students. He just came to Hope's Peak as Togami, and had no reason to change his disguise while on the island.
Monokuma has a completely independent AI in this one, as do the Monokubs. It's implied that this has been the case for many seasons of Danganronpa. Tsumugi was never controlling him, just working with him. This especially makes sense if you see Tsumugi as just another 'character' in the killing game. If Tsumugi is the 'character' of the mastermind, then Team Danganronpa would still need their rule-abiding AI to oversee the killing game. Not that that stopped Monokuma from being willing to break the rules in the first trial to get Kaede killed.
I am certain that didn't happen. Kodaka doesn't come up with endings at the last minute, and he was the scriptwriter just like the other games. Plus, everything connects fine in my opinion.
This is exactly what I was saying, but why does it sound like you're trying to argue with me?
He could've had a reason to do it though. Especially regarding the first night, he could've disguised himself as someone else. He did some pretty out-there things for security that night.
If that were the case, where does this "AI" reside? In SDR2 he resided in the code of the game, so it was easier to control. However, there's nowhere in the academy this time to hide the AI other than in the library, where Motherkuma was destroyed before the final trial (And was only revealed to birth Monokumas, not control them).
Everything connects fine if you put together pieces of the plot that aren't there. For instance, putting together the possibility that Monokuma is an AI, or is possibly being controlled by another mastermind hiding. These are both concepts the game hasn't enlightened us on, and without them the ending doesn't connect fine. And saying "in my opinion" doesn't mean we can't look at facts, right?
The fact of the matter is that there's a glaring contradiction that can only be solved by theorizing on other factors in the game. However, said theories supported by the game contradict each other anyways.
Because they were all ultimates in the beginning. Them not being ultimates is a lie made up by Tsumugi and the Flashback Lights. They lost their initial memory when they came out of sleeping, this was shown in the game as well.
The AI chip would be part of the Monokuma manufacturing process. Shirokuma and Kurokuma had AI chips inside them too, in Another Episode. Plus, there's five Monokubs to think about in this one. Are you saying they have five additional people controlling the Monokubs? It makes much more sense to assume they're just AI designed for the show.
What contradiction are you talking about? I *honestly* don't see one.
That's K1-B0's 'fictional' backstory, remember. In the 'real world' of V3, he was created to be the audience's eyes and have an 'inner voice' derived from live audience polling. He would've never been a "real person" to begin with, just a robot built for the show (like the various bears). Team Danganronpa being capable of this backs up my "Monokuma is an AI" assertion as well. This is a world that has technology like Flashback Lights - AI is hardly unreasonable.
I don't have an answer as to why K1-B0's robotics (including aspects of his face) aren't visible in the first part of the prologue. It may have been just a stylistic choice, but that seems too... convenient. I don't believe he was originally a human, though the flashback lights do clearly work on him (or at least, Team Danganronpa have a method for wirelessly updating the data in his memory when they need to).
More importantly, I have no idea what makes you think that they were all ultimates in the beginning. Which part are you referring to when you say "first came out of sleeping"?
I never said that the reveal of them being real was wrong. I said that the previous cast of DR1/2 could possibly not be fake if cospox was a placebo effect. Obviously you're not reading my messages in a way that makes it clear?
And again, there's no evidence to point towards them being AI, considering Monokuma gets mad when you reveal Tsumugi as the one behind Monokuma and being the mastermind. Considering that Monokumas are mass-produced and the Monokubs aren't (Notice how they weren't produced again until the end of the game and in one batch?), I'd be more willing to assume the Monokubs have AI chips (And thus are harder to mass-produce) where Monokuma can be mass produced and controlled remotely. You have no evidence to refute this, either.
I hate repeating myself, so I'll just bold the area you refused to read here:
Then explain how he was to be put in a deep sleep with the rest of the cast only to be woken up by Monokuma? And explain how he has his own personality that can't be controlled that well by the "mastermind"?
So you're saying that a Flashback Light, in addition to what they say in the game, also completely replace every single portion of your body with a robotic one, and then implant your brain inside of it where the nerves are connected to the right areas to perform functions, while subsequently having an antenna connected to override said brain? I'd rather believe that it was a stylistic choice over that, and the "stylistic choice" argument doesn't fly with me either.
There was a portion in the story where they remember sleeping for the project created by Hope's Peak Academy to be saved as the last human beings. It's my belief that they did indeed get woken up by Monokuma being controlled by the mastermind and were forced to forget everything using the Blackout Lights. This would explain why Tsumugi is suddenly the villain out of nowhere (As it'd mean that a flashback light was used on her to lie about her being the mastermind).
Also regardless of whether they are A.I. or remote controlled from outside of the game feels like it wouldn't be that necessary of a discussion since there's not a ton of evidence from either one (I don't think evidence from other games really works in this one since now it's "real" in universe where everything else was fake). Then functionally they are both really similar. I suppose it's a good thing that those static bombs koichi had never affected one of the bears.