Ending Theory Questions

[the_raiser2000]

Okay, so, we all saw that ending, right? I have a few questions I wish I could ask though.

First off, memories. If memories can be manipulated and talents can be given to just about anyone, that brings up a few questions.

1. Could it be that the Ultimate Cosplayer's memories were also altered, and that she was incorrect in a few of her facts? Could she have been lying, manipulated, or both?

2. If anybody can gain talents so quickly like that... how is the world peaceful? Under the assumption danganronpa is all fake, the ultimate animator never existed to do the ultimate hypnosis, so how is the world at peace? Why isn't there strife if ultimates with bad abilities exist, and if just about anybody could instantly become ultimate anything?? An army could be raised in a heartbeat!

Second off, it seems like the mastermind had plans and backup plans... so what was the plan with the effigies? "You can bring somebody back." If the ritual actually finished... what would have happened? What could the ultimate cosplayer have done about that? Were they assuming it would all work out, like they did with the initial time limit into pressure to make a kill? Like with conflicting flashback lights?
Or maybe they intended to place the character personality into virtual reality? What was the wording on them being "brought back"...?

Thirdly... how does one turn an auditioned normal kid into a robot? Like, what? A robot who can be modified by the ultimate inventor??

A last point: it makes more sense for them to have ultimate abilities then have them stripped to pretend they were "volunteers" in the videos (memories manipulated to make them believe they were) than to have them just given abilities afterwards. I'm not sure of the implications of this at the moment, though.



Theory 1: It all takes place in a virtual world. The cutscenes with helmets on their heads... doesn't that seem odd as a way of cryosleep or whatever it was? Seemed more like the virtual reality helmets we've seen in previous danganronpa installments. This could explain the robotic body change and the "bring them back" perk as well.

Theory 2: The Ultimate Cosplayer had their memories altered. This opens up a huge realm of possibilities. For instance, if danganronpa was real, and the world was despairful, and the ultimate hunt is real, and it was simply hunting ultimates to put into a killing game. Or possibly that the original premise of "send them into space" was truthful, the cosplayer's memories altered, and sent off to be the "mastermind", which may explain her failure to be complete with her plans. Mistakes made throughout all the plans imply she's not receiving help with this whole thing, especially with access to memory removing lights which she could have used to reset had her initial "all 16 die if no murder" thing failed. She instead chose to murder and pin.



It could just be that I'm reading WAY too deep into all of this, but I'd like to hear thoughts on these points... go ahead and counter, agree, (please don't perjury), or simply add more. Let's do a Non Stop Debate!

[Terra Blade]

1) Possible. But it could also be written off as the fact that she was exposed to the flashlights as well. It also sounds like she has been a part of 'Dangonropa' from the start (which raises questions there of fairness), if so having one's memories warped that much...she could have slipped into being 'Junko' at the shock that the show was over.

2) I was thinking about that as well, but I also would point out that world building was never in the games as a focal point. It took two games, and then the anime, to even really have an explination as to what the 'most terrible tragic event in human history' even was. So honestly I think it is one of those things you aren't supposed to think to hard about.

As for the 'ressurection'...it would be easy. Just find a similar looking person to the one to be 'raised' and then give them the character's personality and memories. Any imperfections could be written off as a side effect of the raising process.

3) Well the 'kid' could have been a robot disguised as a human. That's been done many times in fiction, and we never saw his audition video.

4) Which goes back to the question of what was true and what was a lie in the end. Which even the game's characters comment on. They pointed out that Tsumugi said she failed the same way in the end for doing to good a copy. Which implies that Hope's Peak was real in some form, which goes against her claimes earlier that it was all fake. Plus the fact that the history book existed at all.

Personally I have to stew on it a few more days since I just finished the game yesterday. But my personal feeling is that something similar to the events if not the actual events of the first game caused this latching onto hope as a drug by the outside world. Which is why the killing games could exist at all, the world at large was getting their 'fix'.

But in the end Shuichi got it through to them that they may be fictional 'people'. But they were still actual people, and that their suffering was still real. Which kinda shocked the world back awake as to what the killing games actually were...people killing each other. What that means moving forward for Shuichi and company or the world at large....dunno.

[the_raiser2000]

We have seen Ultimate Robot as "human" in the prologue and the little post-prologue cutscene shown at the end.

Although she did say she was just imitating the fake character "Junko" and that "Junko" was made up for Danganronpa 1, that she imitated the fake character "too well".

And as for the robot being disguised as human, that's my point! That would imply that they were all ultimates from the start, and my primary overarching point is that the ultimate detective failed to follow through with what seemed to me to be simple questioning and logic.

Too bad there wasn't an Ultimate Analyst, although I guess that would make them OP or insane like original Junko.

Maybe a sequel will eventually explain all of this in more detail.


Also, to the last point, was there actually an audience? Can it even be confirmed that the whole thing there wasn't just a fake, or that his "inner voice" wasn't something separate? It could be an actual inner voice, it could be being controlled (though by who, I don't know), or it could simply be an inhibitor to his naturally destructive ways programmed in by his creator. There's just so little data and so many questions!!

I'm hoping some people will come by and give evidence I overlooked in the game.

[the_raiser2000]

Oh, and "imperfections" wouldn't make sense, since the wax sculpture was supposed to become the person, and the ultimate artist wouldn't have had imperfections in her work. If anything, it'd prove the whole thing was a farce if they were to try to explain it like that.

[Terra Blade]

Originally posted by the_raiser2000:

Oh, and "imperfections" wouldn't make sense, since the wax sculpture was supposed to become the person, and the ultimate artist wouldn't have had imperfections in her work. If anything, it'd prove the whole thing was a farce if they were to try to explain it like that.

No the book said anything could be an effigy for the process, Angie just went way above and beyond with the wax effigies.

Originally posted by the_raiser2000:

Also, to the last point, was there actually an audience? Can it even be confirmed that the whole thing there wasn't just a fake, or that his "inner voice" wasn't something separate? It could be an actual inner voice, it could be being controlled (though by who, I don't know), or it could simply be an inhibitor to his naturally destructive ways programmed in by his creator. There's just so little data and so many questions!!

I'm hoping some people will come by and give evidence I overlooked in the game.

Considering the whole theme of the game was truth vs lie...who knows? I feel at this point it's much like Total Recall, in that in the end you don't know if the whole movie was an implantation of memories or if Wayde actually was a sleeper agent that brought about terriforming mars. There is evidence for both ways.

However it was implied that the events of all the games were supposed to be 'seasons' of Dangonropa, which if you think about it doesn't make sense. Especially with D2's cast dying then coming back to save the day in D3's anime. Mainly in that the plot covered the island the base was on, the island the D2 crew were on, and a third location which was the headquarters for the future foundation. Which all is opposed to the claim that each season was a set location with a 'killing game' that had participents given altared memory. In short, the scope of that arc was a little to big to be belived to be controlled by a crew of show producers.

Also keep in mind that the Ultimate Cosplayer never cosplayed any of the V3 'characters' who died. Which in my eyes suggests that maybe they weren't as fictional as she claimed. As to the true goal at the end of all the smoke and mirrors...I don't see what she had to gain. In short, I don't see what she was really gaining by lying about what was going on, as she stated she WANTED hope to win.

I might need to play through the game again, maybe a second playthough while knowing the twist might reveal more.

[the_raiser2000]

Yeah. Although I am suspicious of this one piece of evidence: the outside world. If you finish the escape tunnel early, they blind everything as to not give spoilers to the ultimate gamers who finished it early. Were they looking at the door, or the outside?

If they were looking at the outside, that would give credibility to the "everything is fake" point that the Ultimate Cosplayer had, because the outside was supposed to have unbreathable air (as displayed by everyone passing out except Supreme Leader and the exisals who came and shut the door). If the air was 100% breathable before this, then it would imply a setup of a grand scale to get that much air to become unbreathable.

However, you can't tell much from her "shock and awe" of what she was seeing. "This is the outside world!" seems to imply that Monokuma had opened the door, though, but I'm not too sure.

[Zaltys]

The whole '53rd season of the Killing Game' must be either bad writing or simply fake.

Somehow we're expected to believe that previous seasons were finished without problems (such as someone committing mass murder, by f.e. poisoning the cafeteria food and killing off most of the cast early in the season)?

Even disregarding that, imagine yourself watching the show: it was completely unfair, and amateurish (what with monocubs messing up things, etc). There's no way it would've been popular enough to last that long. For example, Kaito was doomed to die, and the random order in which the characters got access to their labs was hardly fair.

Just those alone would've made a whole lot of viewers angry, especially the ones betting on the results. Not to mention that if the world really was so non-violent and peaceful as Tsumugi claimed, would've they really let the show run for that long without realizing that it's morally wrong? Tsk.

[Terra Blade]

Originally posted by Zaltys:

The whole '53rd season of the Killing Game' must be either bad writing or simply fake.

Somehow we're expected to believe that previous seasons were finished without problems (such as someone committing mass murder, by f.e. poisoning the cafeteria food and killing off most of the cast early in the season)?

Even disregarding that, imagine yourself watching the show: it was completely unfair, and amateurish (what with monocubs messing up things, etc). There's no way it would've been popular enough to last that long. For example, Kaito was doomed to die, and the random order in which the characters got access to their labs was hardly fair.

Just those alone would've made a whole lot of viewers angry, especially the ones betting on the results. Not to mention that if the world really was so non-violent and peaceful as Tsumugi claimed, would've they really let the show run for that long without realizing that it's morally wrong? Tsk.

Um...we have reality shows such as the kardashians, bacholar, the various talent shows. Not all of which are all that good season to season, or just good at all. Why would I really want to watch someone else enjoy being a spoiled billionare?

Plus 'entertainment' with bloodshed has been around for years, if not centuries. Everything from the old school gladiator pits to...well you can youtube people supposedly having their daath caught on camera such as dives gone wrong and such. Humantiy is a bit more bloodthirsty then it likes to admit to.

So then if you think about it, how much prep do you really need for this concept? Actors? Well you can literallly just create your actors from anyone (if it is all faked). Setting? Just anywhere you can set up death traps to keep your 'actors' in bounds. Production time? Well since you can make your actors on the fly and it's realtiy TV, you probably don't need much scripting, setup, aor anything really.

However considering how unfinished the 'set' was in the start. Maybe something really wrong went with the previous 'season' of the show. After all the survivor basically took the deal at the end much as wea offered to us in the end of the game so that 'hope' could win. So maybe something went horribly wrong (or right depending on viewpoint) and the seaon wrapped up much sooner then the team was ready for.

Just my thoughts on it at least.