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First and foremost, I think it is a given that somehow there is always at least one end survivor who moves onto the next game. No matter which way you look at the process, there has to be at least someone who survives. Whether they follow the rules, try to uncover the mastermind or not, since we are on the 53rd Killing Game, we can at least say that no one has thought like Shuuichi and figured out how to defeat the mastermind. So it is kind of a given that someone has always moved on. Granted, you could say that there has been a game where no one has survived and it's all been new contestants, which could very well be true. The game doesn't give us enough facts to determine whether there always has been or not. And technically, based off of DR1, and the killing game of SDR2, you can kind of determine that there hasn't always been a survivor. Because no one in DR1 is in SDR2.
Second, when discussing whether Rantarou is a normal survivor or not, you are both correct. He is special in the sense that he is different from everyone else in the V3 killing game since he has been given the perk. But, he is normal because we can assume that this has at least happened once before, where someone has been given some sort of perk in the killing game. On the topic of this being normal, or special, Tsumugi says that Kiibo is, " the twist of this killing game " meaning that he is what makes this game different, since the audience can interact with the people in the killing game. Knowing this, saying that the survival perk is something special doesn't make that much sense, because she would've also said that the survival perk was another special perk of the 53rd Killing Game, but she doesn't. She says that Kiibo was the special perk. Obviously implying this has at least happened once before, and it is nothing new.
Third, I briefly went over this in my first point, but the number of survivors doesn't really matter. We could've had someone who moved onto the next game or not. Based off of what the people in the Killing Game actually decided to do. Who knows, maybe the people in the 51st Killing Game never even tried to find the mastermind, and just kept killing Eachother. In that case, there would've logically been 1 survivor, who would theoretically move onto the next game, but Rantarou and Tsumugi never say anything about someone else having a perk in the 52nd game. There could also be a draw like BeastBox stated. What if someone died of wounds and it was a draw, or the case could be like DR1 and SDR2, where there isn't a survivor who moved onto the next game, but instead comes back later. So in short, the number of survivors is open to interpretation for some games. But, I will say for the 52nd games ending, it makes sense that there was only one survivor, and that was Rantarou. Meaning, and Shuuichi even clarified this at one point, that they decided to do the exact same thing the 53rd game did and tried to reveal the mastermind to stop it. But, they all voted for hope, which continued the game.
Four, speaking of hope, this brings me to my fourth point. When we are talking about punishment, it is a play on words. It could be a punishment because it's painful to see your friends die and have to watch them get executed, so why would you ever want to go through that again? It could also be the opposite of a punishment, and it would be a thing that the person wanted because they would get to be in another installment of their favorite TV show. More likely though, it was what I would call a, " half-truth " told by Tsumugi. Meaning that she was saying only half of the truth by calling it a punishment. Technically it really was a punishment, but based off of what they have seen in the killing game, they would assume she means execution. However, since Shuuichi is smart, he saw through this and brought the idea up that this could possibly not be an execution punishment, per say, but rather a different form of punishment. Which is when Tsumugi confirms it's not an execution, but rather having to go through the killing game again. Knowing what I just stated in the last sentences, it's very likely that Tsumugi was referring to as a punishment because you would never want to see another group of people suffer by getting killed and executed once more over.
My fifth and final point, talking about Rantarou wanting this game, is most likely referring to the real world. When Rantarou said to his future self, " You wanted this game. So you have to win. No matter what. " he was most likely told what we were told in the 53rd game about how they all auditioned to be on this show, and how he did in fact, since he auditioned, want to be on this show.
Adding onto the previous point, we can in fact infer that just like what Maki decided to when Tsumugi presented the problem of voting and the amount of survivors, Rantarou took the, " punishment " and said that he would get punished so there could be two other survivors. Meaning that Rantarou was willing to get, what he thought was, executed to save the others. However, he didn't have someone like Shuuichi in his 52nd game, so they never thought to second guess themselves on this being something different than an execution. Since we can guess that Rantarou was the only survivor, since he didn't say anything about someone else being in the killing game who survived, and Tsumugi never brought it up, that although he pledged to get the punishment so he could save the others, they ended up getting executed and he was the lone survivor instead. This also adds to my fourth point that it is a form of punishment to carry the burden of you trying to save your friends, but them ending of dying because of your sacrifice. So instead of it being an execution, he just got to carry a mental burden...
This concludes my outside view on your discussion.
" respond like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlJ8eTuFe9U to every point made against you. "
Yeah, I hadn't actually thought of that. Certainly possible as well. We very nearly had that outcome in this game due to the second motive in the first trial. :)
Possibly. I mean, interesting point, but who knows what the rules were 52 seasons ago. :)
Agreed. When something is a special instance, it's generally pointed out as such.
I'm sure this would be clearer just from replaying the final trial and reviewing the context it gets used it, but I lack the patience. :p As you say, it could mean anything.
Yup. No real reason to interpret that any other way.
Thanks; it was looking like no one was going to bother for a while there. Not that I blame them. :p
Anyone else?
Finaly, games had to or at least supposed to end with some form of hope vs despair fight, which would only take place if game were to end prematurely (more than 2 survivors).
But as far as Danganronpa own tropes go, DR2 and DR3 had returning characters too. Most importantly Naegi.
Chapter 1 in a nutshell https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCMV-0Kbp7s
Also, she presented us with the option of Hope and Despair at the end of V3, by choosing someone to get executed. Obviously Shuuichi saw through her crap option, because she was presenting them with the same thing, just worded differently. Either way they were going to have 1 survivor, and 2 people executed. So that option of killing Tsumugi for Hope, or killing Kiibo for Despair was the exact same option, just worded cleverly.
The thing is, at least the Killing games we have witnessed, aren't just all about killing and survivng. They have plot, purpose and the big bad Junko.
So pretty much my only point is, what else they gonna do with all this? Plot has to be resolved too. Big reveal, confrontation, screaming "hope" a lot - you know the drill.
To hell with Tsumugi, Monokuma himself were satisfied with Junko reveal. Even breaking the 4th wall was done almost completely by Tsumugi herself only to bring in audience through Keebo so they could participiate in all that hope screaming thing.
Well, the "he's special" perspective you had was simply in him being the survivor when everyone else was fresh, or being the "???" student. Which no one was really disputing ... the game explicitly said he had a special perk, and I never disagreed. I just didn't feel the need to belabour every point. :p But yeah, sure, why not.