Your favourite race? Pros and Cons? Race selection help.

[Rontemon]

I finally gave this game another try and FINALLY got into a THE LAST STAND mode game. There was a level 18 space marine and level 8 chaos in my team. I picked space marine.

Had loads of fun, decided to play the campaign again and figure out which race I should focus on for THE LAST STAND mode.

Now I am wondering.. What are the strength and weaknesses for each race? This is my FIRST Dawn of War 2 game. Every race looks very cool. I am thinking about going Imperial guard or the Space marines. But the other race like Tyrannids and Orks definitely is interesting too.

This game is probably gonna hold my attention for awhile until Shogun 2 goes on Sale and release of Rome 2.. And now that DoW license is with Creative Assembly, maybe we will see Total War: Dawn of War in the future. :D

[DaddyGrim]

My favorite races currently are Chaos and Eldar. My primary reason for playing either is:

CHAOS:

- I've played Chaos since I had Dawn of War I, the original, and they were instantly my favorite due to the models, crazy lategame power, high firepower and nice adaptability midgame.
- Chaos is probably IMO the lesser of all the human evils in Warhammer
- In Retribution, even moreso than the other races, they took a hit to their lategame power in favor of an oppressive early and midgame.
- Their pros of Chaos are that they counter melee to the point of silliness with Aspiring Champion Heretics, Eternal War Space Marines, and Sonic Blasters, their early and midgame damage is very dangerous, most of their units are at worst average in cost in Requisition and Energy, meaning that they can come back pretty easily at any point of the game, their heroes are all borderline silly in terms of combat strength, their globals and worship utility are pretty damn remarkable, and there's more upgrade routes than usual for them for the sake of adaptability.
- Their cons are that their lategame is mediocre compared to some of the other races now, their light infantry squad early can bleed you pretty bad if you're playing sloppy, their hero utility severely lacks compared to other heroes of other factions, and they don't get a lategame squad in retail.

ELDAR:

- I honestly didn't like Eldar in the original Dawn of War. They were too fragile even with all their models and I honestly thought they only started getting strong at the end of the game.
- Eldar have a pretty awesome lore though, and that's part of what drew me not to them, but rather their evil counterparts, the Dark Eldar. DE was my main race in DoW Soulstorm, as I liked just how fun they could be early, how ridiculous their midgame could be and how adaptable their lategame was (despite being sort of weaker then).
- Eldar weren't my favorites in the beginning of playing DoW Retribution. I felt they had a similar problem in this one that they did in the earlier games, but now with even less models. But rather, this time the faction is more oriented towards those who masterfully micro them, as they (like their original counterparts) are the most mobile race in the game, across the board, in addition to a few other details.
- The pros of Eldar are their early AOE potential with grenades, melee units with high mobility and easy suppression (that you can start out with; there is no other class with this save the Heretics, and they have to bleed themselves to do it) which also scale pretty decently as well, their monstrous mid and lategame (esp. late, the Avatar of Khaine is terrifying to behold and to fight), heroes that are highly adaptable for most forms of combat (as are most of the Eldar units), strong utility across the board for all heroes, and they have two forms of artillery that are good against all targets.
- The cons of Eldar are their immense fragility (heroes and units alike), energy cost expenses (so attacking their power successfully hurts them more than most races), lack of upgrades once you decide to pick a squad (so inflexible once purchased, but before then not so much), their globals are all kinda meh, and all of this combined means that generally when you fight Eldar and they have a rough start, it's tough for them to come back.

Hope this input helped. :)

[Darth Cannabis]

I just have to say wtf are you smoking calling Chaos the lesser of human evils. While I agree that Space Marines aren;t necessarily the good guys like they think, Iwouldn;t choose the demon worshippers as least evil of humans. The imperial guard is mostly made up of volunteers defending thier homeworlds, despite that once they are in, theres a chance of being shot for cowardice. IG may have some cruel or hardcore commanders, but 90% of guardsmen are average joes. IG are the least evil of humans, due to primary mandate being planetary defense.

[LordCarmi]

In all Imperium's worlds there is the mandatory conscription. Some men and women are recruited in Planetary Defense Force (PDF) and others in Imperial Guard regiments. They are not volunteers. Every men and woman under the God Emperor is a soldier and worker. They are not genetically modified like Space Marine, they are not super alien like Tyranids, they haven't ultra weapon like others aliens empire. They are only simple men with las rifle and bayonet. it takes a lot of courage and many fear to go to war against deadly aliens (anyhow there is a commisar ready to execute you for cowardice). In Warhammer 40k there aren't good factions ( Tyranids want eat the universe, Chaos want burn the universe, Orks want the war and the Waaagh!!, Eldar are racist and superb, Imperium is more racist and xenophobic...and so on). In this game IG needs all tanks that it has in warhammer wargame (I want the Basilisk) and the Leman Russ must to be improve ( In the wargame a space marine predator with autocannon can't destroy the frontal armour of Leman Russ). The heavy weapon team needs rifles for all men of the team and the mortar upgrade. The numerical superiority is done well. However I prefer the first DoW series for the Buildings...now this game needs some patches.

[Reverend Belial]

Originally posted by Darth Cannabis:

I just have to say wtf are you smoking

Kinda ironic.

[Nerevars Goat Univeron]

'Nids. Mostly play them because they are my army in the tabletop game, and because they are badass bugs of death. Whats not to love?

[Cypher]

Speaking of Creative Assembly and Relic making Total War: Dawn of War...

I'd love that...but only if it worked really really well and had a LOT of maps, but not just land battles...space battles as well.
A lot of unit variety would be needed, artillery is a MUST.

Even if it took years and years to get released, I'd wait for it with patience.


As for the topic here, I go for Spehs Mahreens. Typical n00b pick huh.
Yeah, they were the first faction I took, duh...but I'm a Spehs Mahreen for life, no denying that.
But picking Chaos is never something I run away from lol D:

[DaddyGrim]

Originally posted by Kazeshini:

As for the topic here, I go for Spehs Mahreens. Typical n00b pick huh.
Yeah, they were the first faction I took, duh...but I'm a Spehs Mahreen for life, no denying that.
But picking Chaos is never something I run away from lol D:

Personally I wouldn't view Space Marines as a noob pick, at least not in DoW2. They have a lot of Micro to deal with regarding Scouts, and most of their squads having heavy infantry and vehicles can be a blessing and a curse.

Originally posted by Darth Cannibis:

I just have to say wtf are you smoking calling Chaos the lesser of human evils. While I agree that Space Marines aren;t necessarily the good guys like they think, Iwouldn;t choose the demon worshippers as least evil of humans.

Seems like a straw man saying that I called Chaos the least evil of the humans, even you claimed that I said they were the LESSER, not the LEAST. :P