Do the creators of the Elite mod have something against the Eldar?

[The nameless Gamer]

I've played a bit of it (not much, admittedly) and watched the rather sparse Eldar matches on Indrid's channel. Unless the other side plays like they're drunk, Eldar get demolished in every matchup. Is there something I am missing? Or is there some bias against Eldar in that mod?

[Zake]

My impression of Eldar was:
- They move and hit a little harder, but are also squishier.
- More micro intensive (w/ high impact abilities).

Together, that makes them harder to play, but also very strong when played well.

Curious what others think, since I'm pretty newb.

[The nameless Gamer]

Originally posted by Zake:

My impression of Eldar was:
- They move and hit a little harder, but are also squishier.
- More micro intensive (w/ high impact abilities).

Together, that makes them harder to play, but also very strong when played well.

Curious what others think, since I'm pretty newb.

They are already the micro-heaviest and difficult to play on vanilla (speaking as an Eldar main). Not to mention that they drop models like flies in vanilla unless you pick your engagement extremely well. It just doesn't seem worth the effort to play them in Elite mod.

[DarkKrieg]

Two units of fire dragons can melt damn near anything

[Saint Kelly]

Eldar are fine it's just their players ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ suck most of the time

[Stabilo ᐰ]

Even if they do, good. This is not dawn of eldar anymore.

[The nameless Gamer]

Originally posted by Stabilo ᐰ:

Even if they do, good. This is not dawn of eldar anymore.

Was it ever? I've played since 2011, and mostly saw people overwhelmingly pick SM/FC. Eldar and Tyranids were in fact quite rare picks, compared to SM, Chaos or IG.

[Fentanyl George]

Originally posted by The nameless Commander:

Originally posted by Stabilo ᐰ:

Even if they do, good. This is not dawn of eldar anymore.

Was it ever? I've played since 2011, and mostly saw people overwhelmingly pick SM/FC. Eldar and Tyranids were in fact quite rare picks, compared to SM, Chaos or IG.

Eldar were overpowered when DOWII came out. SMboys whined a lot and then Eldar were balanced

[The nameless Gamer]

Originally posted by Boss of this Gym:

Originally posted by The nameless Commander:

Was it ever? I've played since 2011, and mostly saw people overwhelmingly pick SM/FC. Eldar and Tyranids were in fact quite rare picks, compared to SM, Chaos or IG.

Eldar were overpowered when DOWII came out. SMboys whined a lot and then Eldar were balanced

That's still all vanilla DoWII (with proper micro, unit synergy and careful engagement picking, one can still make them work in Retribution). But Elite mod has... weird priorities. Further nerf Eldar, whose struggles are the hardest during t1. Yes, Dark Reapers and Fire Dragons are awesome, but good luck getting there when you constantly bleed Dire Avenger/Banshee models to pretty much every unit that looks their way. Let's not forget that every other faction gets their artillery on tier 2, whereas Eldar get it on tier 3. And the Fire Prism tank is made of wet cardboard.

When trying Elite mod, I had to switch to Chaos (I'll admit to being outright terrible as SM), and unless I was fighting Ordo Maleus (which was pretty OP back when I bothered), and compared to playing Eldar, it felt like face-rolling through the match.

[TripSin]

Elite mod balancing for Eldar is terrible. I don't know who is in charge of it, but they've obviously done a bad job with them and I guess none of them play Eldar so they don't care.

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Originally posted by TripSin:

Elite mod balancing for Eldar is terrible. I don't know who is in charge of it, but they've obviously done a bad job with them and I guess none of them play Eldar so they don't care.

LOL u are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ trash kid. eldar actually a lot better in elite in 1v1, its the nids+orks who were nerfed into oblivion in elite. Those scrubs dont know what they are talking abot. Elite is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ trash anyways since its just nerf nerf nerf non stop, unless you are SM/IG

saying the eldar are weak in t1 is like LMAO ROFL L2P GITGUD SCRUB makes no sense scrubs dont know how to play lmao they arent even the hardest faction to play that belongs to the IG in both retail and elite lmao. its a l2p problem scrubs

[The nameless Gamer]

Originally posted by RETARDO:

Originally posted by TripSin:

Elite mod balancing for Eldar is terrible. I don't know who is in charge of it, but they've obviously done a bad job with them and I guess none of them play Eldar so they don't care.

LOL u are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ trash kid. eldar actually a lot better in elite in 1v1, its the nids+orks who were nerfed into oblivion in elite. Those scrubs dont know what they are talking abot. Elite is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ trash anyways since its just nerf nerf nerf non stop, unless you are SM/IG

No need for foul language and slandering. Please tell us why you think Eldar are better in Elite mod 1v1. I for one still see them drop models like flies and struggle big time against vehicles, especially Dreadnoughts and Predators (as well as their respective Chaos variants). Also, Imperial Guard has been nerfed too, both the Sentinel and the Catachans are not nearly as potent as in vanilla. Which would be a perfectly okay change IF they buffed the Guardsmen and HWTs. But they remain as feeble as ever.

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Originally posted by The nameless Commander:

Originally posted by RETARDO:

LOL u are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ trash kid. eldar actually a lot better in elite in 1v1, its the nids+orks who were nerfed into oblivion in elite. Those scrubs dont know what they are talking abot. Elite is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ trash anyways since its just nerf nerf nerf non stop, unless you are SM/IG

No need for foul language and slandering. Please tell us why you think Eldar are better in Elite mod 1v1. I for one still see them drop models like flies and struggle big time against vehicles, especially Dreadnoughts and Predators (as well as their respective Chaos variants). Also, Imperial Guard has been nerfed too, both the Sentinel and the Catachans are not nearly as potent as in vanilla. Which would be a perfectly okay change IF they buffed the Guardsmen and HWTs. But they remain as feeble as ever.

lol u have like the strongest t1 since all their units in elite out of the gate has hp buff upgrades cheaper in elite and also their worst MUs such as orks+nids are nerfed to borderline unplayable in trash elite I DUNNOowh u h tefck are vehicle problem since u have lots of av lmao dreadnoughts not problem preds r t3 if some 1 rush t3 and u dont have av by time they have pred then gitgud walkers buffed so wl is actually viable now since they have melee resist only thing worse in t1 about eldar is rangers but that cos they nerfed everything else so rangers became a problem in elite which is why elite is just nerf nerf nerf and no talent devs wasting time

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i dunno why eldar fanbois cry about them in elite since orks are way worse and unplayable vs any good players lol. nids are pretty trash compared to retail too

[The nameless Gamer]

Originally posted by RETARDO:

Originally posted by The nameless Commander:

No need for foul language and slandering. Please tell us why you think Eldar are better in Elite mod 1v1. I for one still see them drop models like flies and struggle big time against vehicles, especially Dreadnoughts and Predators (as well as their respective Chaos variants). Also, Imperial Guard has been nerfed too, both the Sentinel and the Catachans are not nearly as potent as in vanilla. Which would be a perfectly okay change IF they buffed the Guardsmen and HWTs. But they remain as feeble as ever.

lol u have like the strongest t1 since all their units in elite out of the gate has hp buff upgrades cheaper in elite and also their worst MUs such as orks+nids are nerfed to borderline unplayable in trash elite I DUNNOowh u h tefck are vehicle problem since u have lots of av lmao dreadnoughts not problem preds r t3 if some 1 rush t3 and u dont have av by time they have pred then gitgud walkers buffed so wl is actually viable now since they have melee resist only thing worse in t1 about eldar is rangers but that cos they nerfed everything else so rangers became a problem in elite which is why elite is just nerf nerf nerf and no talent devs wasting time

It's been a LONG time since I played, but Eldar never had the best t1 units. Banshees lose to unupgraded Heretics and BARELY win against unupgraded Sluggas. Dire Avengers bleed models to Shoota boys with Nobs or Big Shootas a lot. Shuriken cannon teams are pretty easily dislodged or disrupted by the Ork Kommando or Mekboy (as well as infiltrated Sluggas if you have 75 Red for "Hide da Boyz") The Warboss with "Angry Bitz" also takes care of a Shuriken. The Warlock is one of the weakest offense commanders in the game.

Eldar models are a lot more expensive to replace than Tyranid/Ork models as well.

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makes no sense u say they bleed a lot in elite yet they buffed their hp out of the gate in t1 so lol