How strong is a space marine in the lore compared with the games?

[Rise]

In the DOW2 campaigns, a squad of space marrines can single handedly destroy entire armies for days on end.

In Space Marine, a single marine can wade through thousands of enemies while fighting his way to the objective and save the day.

However, in the DOW2 multiplayer, a single space marine can be quite difficult to kill but isn't terribly dangerous - even the force commander.

So, where does the lore fall on this? Which is more accurate? Or is it somewhere inbetween?

[EchoSON]

Space marines are pretty insane in the books, what a platoon of guardsmen cant do in a week, Astartes rip apart in hours.

It would depend what 'enemies' they were against, an encounter with an Ork Nob would be a 'good fight' in the books, where the marines would shred common orks.

Tau... big plasma guns.. you kno, melts the astartes armour.

Big emphasis on swordsmanship in the books aswell, big.. 8ft astartes strength behind a sharp blade, literally just obliterates anything, and they can move at insane speed in comparison to a normal human.

That strength makes little difference to a chaos demon warping their minds and turning them on eachother.

[EchoSON]

The game 'Space marine' is the most accurate interpretation of a Marine id say.
Tho not accurate enough, they really should make a Tell tale style space marine game based on the Horus Heresy.

[Faunts]

Originally posted by EchoSON:

The game 'Space marine' is the most accurate interpretation of a Marine id say.
Tho not accurate enough, they really should make a Tell tale style space marine game based on the Horus Heresy.

Ah yes, the over rated QTE games you have absolutely no control over....Because that's what Warhammer 40k fans want.

[EchoSON]

You can call it whatever you want, but a game that is 40k, that is true to lore, following the Horus heresy story line.

^ Depth, character, no cheesey ♥♥♥♥ like every warhammer 40k game made so far has had

[EchoSON]

Even a warhammer game that explores the rise of the emperor... whatever, such well written lore and not 1 game that actually captures it.

[trvlr508]

the true capabilities of the space marines are somewhat lost in their PC game versions. The only true way to get a feel for a SM is to play the table top game. If a normal Marine were capable of th carnage depicted in the PC games, chapters wouldnt need anything else. In the computer game versions, the battles arent large enough to depict the true scale of war in the 41srt mil. Only 40k Armageddon comees close to depicting the weaknessses of the Astartes. Dont get me wrong. Ive repeatedly played Dark Crusade and I'm holding a saved game as we speak. My fvorite race: Space Marines. At any rate, a Space Marine is a true thing of beauty. Atrue KILLING thing of beauty.remember- An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded.

[Rise]

It sounds like the the multiplayer of DOW2 or DOW1 would be more in line then with the lore capabilities of a space marine. Troop for troop the multiplayer space marine is much more capable than most of his enemies, especially when you start talking about how many guardsmen a squad of space marines can expect to kill before a single space marine is lost - but a few space marines are still not a war winning force by themselves.
Which version (DOW 1 or 2) would you say is closer to the lore in that regard, and how are they still underpowered or overpowered compared with the lore?

[✳Sindri Myr✳]

DoW 2 MP is most acurate.

[The nameless Gamer]

Originally posted by ✳Sindri Myr✳:

DoW 2 MP is most acurate.

This. The Space Marines can't rely on their resillience, firepower and strength alone, since there are times they face weaponry against which their armour means little. The claws of the Tyranid Warriors, the power-swords of the Howling Banshees, the plasma and railguns of the Tau empire and a number of other weapons can easily dispatch even a Space Marine. A fair portion of the Space Marines' strength lies in their elaborate tactics and iron discipline. Training a combat-ready space marine is a slow and difficult process, which is why they aren't deployed unless dire need arises.

[✳Sindri Myr✳]

Originally posted by The nameless Commander:

Originally posted by ✳Sindri Myr✳:

DoW 2 MP is most acurate.

This. The Space Marines can't rely on their resillience, firepower and strength alone, since there are times they face weaponry against which their armour means little. The claws of the Tyranid Warriors, the power-swords of the Howling Banshees, the plasma and railguns of the Tau empire and a number of other weapons can easily dispatch even a Space Marine. A fair portion of the Space Marines' strength lies in their elaborate tactics and iron discipline. Training a combat-ready space marine is a slow and difficult process, which is why they aren't deployed unless dire need arises.

Yeah, also the fact they wouldnt throw their lifes for the sake of it is depicted very well in DoW 2 MP, losing a single model in the squad can be a draw back in t1 against good oponents, while orks nids or ig basicaly dont care.

[Emmental]

Space Marines in the lore are absolutely ridiculous. On tabletop and in these games they function more like they did in rogue trader back when space marines were just men with better armour. They even had wives and kids back home etc. If Space Marines were as epic as the lore in game the other races woudn't stand a chance.

Space Marine the game is probably somewhere near what they're capable of.

[post apocalypse otter boi]

off topic but storm troopers are the best

[Vrakos Anthrakir]

lore/book marine > DOW 2 marine
lore marine is more accurate, the game is based on the lore, not the other way around

[Black Jesus]

Originally posted by Rise:

In the DOW2 campaigns, a squad of space marrines can single handedly destroy entire armies for days on end.

In Space Marine, a single marine can wade through thousands of enemies while fighting his way to the objective and save the day.

However, in the DOW2 multiplayer, a single space marine can be quite difficult to kill but isn't terribly dangerous - even the force commander.

So, where does the lore fall on this? Which is more accurate? Or is it somewhere inbetween?

Understand that multiplayer is not cannon it's not meant to be it's there only to provide entertainment.

Having said that the games are loosely in line with the main lore. Obviously they had to make certain changes for the sake of game balance and due to limit of game engine. In the lore a single Space Marine can cleave thousands of Imperial Guardsmen and not break a sweat.... Yet Cadian Shock Troops can fight Chaos Space Marines as if they were only slightly superior... So both the lore and games shoot themselves in the mouth at times.

[post apocalypse otter boi]

Originally posted by Black Jesus:

Originally posted by Rise:

In the DOW2 campaigns, a squad of space marrines can single handedly destroy entire armies for days on end.

In Space Marine, a single marine can wade through thousands of enemies while fighting his way to the objective and save the day.

However, in the DOW2 multiplayer, a single space marine can be quite difficult to kill but isn't terribly dangerous - even the force commander.

So, where does the lore fall on this? Which is more accurate? Or is it somewhere inbetween?

Understand that multiplayer is not cannon it's not meant to be it's there only to provide entertainment.

Having said that the games are loosely in line with the main lore. Obviously they had to make certain changes for the sake of game balance and due to limit of game engine. In the lore a single Space Marine can cleave thousands of Imperial Guardsmen and not break a sweat.... Yet Cadian Shock Troops can fight Chaos Space Marines as if they were only slightly superior... So both the lore and games shoot themselves in the mouth at times.

never diss my stormtroopers >:(