Server Cheats

[trick-master]

Hello there.

The server settings overriding the challenge is not something new, but it used to not be used much.

Since last week, whenever I join a server, I see they are playing ASBI with inf medgun/regen/etc. Sometimes it's no challenge but 50 beacons / 50 ammo pack, etc.

Thing is, there is a challenge made for this exact purpose (of changing server settings), it's called phenix custom challenge.

Yet instead of using such challenge, people use other challenges/no challenges and get into leaderboard with those server cheats.

I'm pretty sure I will get some "hurr durr no one cares about leadeboard", but the question remains, if not for leaderboard, why would people not use the phenix custom challenge? The only reason I can think of is the leaderboard.

Last time I joined a VanASBI game, and noticed too late that there was small regen/inf medgun (I took jag). Sadly, on the first try, we got the top time world-wide, and when I saw the inf med on next map, I felt dirty. I just cheated a time without even knowing, and I would like that to never happen again.

Would it be possible to make any game with unofficial server settings NOT count towards leaderboard?

Cheers,

Trick-master

[YOJIMBO]

Shame on you! You cheater!

[jhheight]

Damn someone ban this cheater guy

[Booyah]

That's exacly the reason why good players doesn't care about the leaderboard. It's easy to cheat everything. The only times worth something are those with demo recorded or even better, records directly from the run with programs like shadowplay.

[trick-master]

But wouldn't it be possible to add some "check" to the server settings ?

For instance, I heard that if you put sv_cheats 1 (or 0, whatever is the option to enable cheats), the time won't get on leaderboard.

Would it be possible to force server settings change with a command like that ? (maybe sv_serversettings 1 or something)

Then, if that variable is 1, time won't get into leaderboard.

Seems easy enough (I assume it's harder than that, but still, shouldn't be THAT hard, right?)

edit : to me it's a real shame that leaderboard is so screwed. I often go for leaderboard, and I love being able to see my friends time, trying to beat them, etc. Gives some objectives in the game. I always looked up on the leaderboard, seeing ppl soloing with good times, looking at the weapons, finding the most efficient strat (saw or nade to crush doors? etc). Yes, Sueko glitch allowed unbelievable times, but those are so easy to spot it doesn't matter. When some good player make times using insta-hack/regen/etc. you can't know for sure if he hacked or not. Was the hack insta done/very easy (it happens sometimes) or did he use command? Did he make an almost perfect run or was the regen so high he couldn't die when hit? Was his nade aim so good or did he had infinite ammo and just nade constantly? etc.
The server cheats are so much harder to spot when used so it really screws up leaderboard legitimacy much more

[Booyah]

The only way I see is running official servers and leaderboard would work only there. Global leaderboard is cheated in every game I've played. It just doesn't work since you can't trust people.

[Ax-now]

I understand you Trick, it happened to me the same thing.
the leaderboard would need a clean up, but impossible to do without also removing the personal best of the legit players. :(

[YOJIMBO]

We could make a petition to purge the leaderboards, just need enough voices to be heard
Also that would be a indicator of who's still active

[trick-master]

If the server settings can still be changed and are still counted for leaderboard, then no point of having a reset though :p

If there's an official leaderboard though, where can I vote for reset!! :)

But to be honest, even without changing leaderboard, just fixing it (possibly via official leaderboard) would be good enough imo (but yeah, reset is better imo)

[Ax-now]

yes, especially that not to mention server custom cheaters, the leaderboard is also corpus by bug users who are now corrected (ex big jump with bots) special thx for jhh on reactor :))))

[jhheight]

Originally posted by Ax-now:

yes, especially that not to mention server custom cheaters, the leaderboard is also corpus by bug users who are now corrected (ex big jump with bots) special thx for jhh on reactor :))))

https://imgur.com/a/S51HviX

[Storm]

Originally posted by YOJIMBO:

We could make a petition to purge the leaderboards, just need enough voices to be heard
Also that would be a indicator of who's still active

I agree with Rojimbo a purging of the lEaderbOards is in order.

[YOJIMBO]

Last time leaderboard got reset before public release. Was there another reset?

[Twitch]

fact... online multiplayer games with a leaderboard feature, will always, without exception EVER!!! Have their leaderboard filled with cheaters names... always.

...& there's nothing any developer or gaming provider, can do about that, ever, without exception.