I don't understand paladin disposition

[Splint]

What is the negative penalty for not following dispositions from your chosen subclass?
I am a bleak walker than wants to be nice.
Will the penalty eat into my base stats or will it just not allow me to get the benefits of faith and conviction?
very confused. :(

[Du-Vu]

It affects the Faith and Conviction ability (+4 to Deflection, +8 to other defenses ie. Fortitude, Reflex, and Will) . It's a +20% bonus for each rank in a favoured disposition (Cruel and Aggressive for Bleak Walkers), and -20% for each rank in the disfavoured dispositions (Benevolent and Diplomatic in your case). You can negate the penalty by taking the Untroubled Faith talent at level up, and Deep Faith (another talent) for a further bonus if you're not going to be Cruel or Aggressive.

It's not as big a deal if you're playing a more offensive paladin, I suppose. Is this more because you like it roleplay-wise or because you wanted the Bleak Walker's starting abilities?

[Splint]

Originally posted by Du-Vu:

It affects the Faith and Conviction ability (+4 to Deflection, +8 to other defenses ie. Fortitude, Reflex, and Will) . It's a +20% bonus for each rank in a favoured disposition (Cruel and Aggressive for Bleak Walkers), and -20% for each rank in the disfavoured dispositions (Benevolent and Diplomatic in your case). You can negate the penalty by taking the Untroubled Faith talent at level up, and Deep Faith (another talent) for a further bonus if you're not going to be Cruel or Aggressive.

It's not as big a deal if you're playing a more offensive paladin, I suppose. Is this more because you like it roleplay-wise or because you wanted the Bleak Walker's starting abilities?

I liked bleakwalker's starting ability for pew pew.

So it won't effect my character's inherent or rather base stats?

I swear im googling more than playing hahahaha.

[psychotron666420]

The bonus from faith and conviction scales with your disposition. The bonus will be higher or lower depending on your disposition.

[Splint]

Originally posted by psychotron666420:

The bonus from faith and conviction scales with your disposition. The bonus will be higher or lower depending on your disposition.

But will have no ill effects on my character's stats if I don't follow it? I just wont get a bonus?

[Du-Vu]

Depends. If you aren't Cruel or Aggressive at all, then it won't increase your defenses. If you're regularly Diplomatic and Benevolent, then those will actually make them go down overall. But you can cancel that out with the talents. You're just spending two talents to kind of get less what you could've had for free, if you see what I mean? But whatever. You don't need to minmax everything with a full party on difficulties lower than Path of the Damned.

[Splint]

Originally posted by Du-Vu:

Depends. If you aren't Cruel or Aggressive at all, then it won't increase your defenses. If you're regularly Diplomatic and Benevolent, then those will actually make them go down overall. But you can cancel that out with the talents. You're just spending two talents to kind of get less what you could've had for free, if you see what I mean? But whatever. You don't need to minmax everything with a full party on difficulties lower than Path of the Damned.

I don't see Untroubled Faith in deadfire :(

[Du-Vu]

Oh, in Deadfire. Argh, I'm always thinking people are posting in the first game with questions like these. Should've looked, sorry.

Yeah, there's no way to negate the penalty in Deadfire, but Faith and Conviction and Deep Faith are both better (+8 across the board for F&C, +10 for Deep Faith instead of +2/+3). So you've got even less to worry about. Never mind me.

[Splint]

Originally posted by Du-Vu:

Oh, in Deadfire. Argh, I'm always thinking people are posting in the first game with questions like these. Should've looked, sorry.

Yeah, there's no way to negate the penalty in Deadfire, but Faith and Conviction and Deep Faith are both better (+8 across the board for F&C, +10 for Deep Faith instead of +2/+3). So you've got even less to worry about. Never mind me.

I still don't understand :(
What will happen now if im diplomatic and never cruel and aggressive?


Bonus:

Gain Flames of Devotion. Flames of Devotion deals additional +12% Corrode damage (Black Flames) and applies the Sickened Affliction to targets, reducing their Constitution by -5 and incoming healing by -25%.

Penalty: --

Favored Dispositions: Aggressive & Cruel

Disfavored Dispositions: Benevolent & Diplomatic

[Du-Vu]

Going by the wiki, it shouldn't drop below the base of 8, and maxes out at 10? Not as big a deal as I thought. Sorry if I confused you.

The penalty is you just don't get those extra points of defense, it sounds like. Does that make sense?

[Splint]

Originally posted by Du-Vu:

Going by the wiki, it shouldn't drop below the base of 8, and maxes out at 10? Not as big a deal as I thought. Sorry if I confused you.

The penalty is you just don't get those extra points of defense, it sounds like. Does that make sense?

So there is no penalty for being diplomatic and never Aggressive & Cruel? Apart from missing out on bonus points?

[Du-Vu]

Right. It's just those bonuses.

[Splint]

Originally posted by Du-Vu:

Right. It's just those bonuses.

and it won't effect my bleak walker bonus?

[psychotron666420]

Originally posted by Splint:

Originally posted by Du-Vu:

Right. It's just those bonuses.

and it won't effect my bleak walker bonus?

Nope, the base bonus of faith and conviction is the floor. If you have condemned dispositions, it just won't be increased. I believe the increase only amounts to about 2 points in your defenses on top of the defenses it gives at base if you had full favoured reputation.

It was supposedly different in the first game. I heard that if you had enough negative, your faith and conviction aided the enemy instead. Not sure if that's true as I've never done a paladin against his dispositions.

[Splint]

Thanks you two been so kind for helping me. I am going to get murdered now.

[Du-Vu]

Have fun!