Pillars of Eternity II: Deadfire

Pillars of Eternity II: Deadfire

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Onx Jul 26, 2021 @ 12:14pm
Oracle of Wael
Try as I might I can't seem to get out of this alive. I don't have a lot of buffs/debuffs against dexterity afflictions... The only things I have are Aloth, Cipher's Shackle, Lucero, and 15 Withdraw scrolls. I have the Shackles on Xoti to keep her spells going.

I've gotten the Oracle a few times and suspect I'll get him again, but he seems inflict massive damage to my party as he nears death. I was hoping his minions die with him but no such luck. They keep coming and coming and coming... I'm playing with my main who is a 20th level Paladin, Eder, Serafen, Xoti, and Aloth. I'm thinking of switching out Lucero for Conceallhut but Conceallhut deals mega damage. Any suggestions? Thanks!
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Steffan Jul 26, 2021 @ 4:37pm 
You do not necessarily need dex buffs or shark soup to beat it (it can help a bit, though).

Counter-questions:
1.what are the 7th level abilities of Serafen?
2. can Aloth cast the gaze of the adragan or wall of many colours?
3. what is the equipment of Aloth (clothes, cloak and wand)
4. Would you like a more cheesy way out ( and even then without abuse of the AI or environment) or less cheesy solution? It is a hard boss so I would not be worried too much. Just asking for your preferences. :)
5. What is your weapon as a paladin?

Another tip: always kill the Oracle's minions first.


Last edited by Steffan; Jul 26, 2021 @ 5:01pm
wespe___o=/;;;:* Jul 26, 2021 @ 5:18pm 
Originally posted by Onx:
Try as I might I can't seem to get out of this alive...
...Paladin, Eder, Serafen, Xoti, and Aloth...
Let me guess.. most are single class and your Gear is not even Superb?
In short: looks like a bad group

Out of curiosity, what weapons do you use?
My Main is 2H Melee, plus Eder (DW) and Aloth (1h+Shield) with Maia (DW Ranged).. they eat content.. even with Pallegina (2H) as pin cushion very solid
Imho, better with Tekehu ..and with custom Theurge (Chanter/Druid) almost godlike :brawler:
-> My whole Party is Multiclass though :Imloveranger:

Solution for your problem fight:
1. If you don´t mind micromanaging and have multiclassed Aloth (Spellblade) incl. proper gear, you can kill most stuff (even bosses) with just him once you´re buffed :brawler:
2. If your Aloth is pure Wizard ..it also works, but you need a healer nearby :D:

3. Another option is going nuts with Priest.. Xoti is not the best, but Priest has some unique advantages.. you could reskill and almost solo (similar to Aloth)
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Steffan Jul 26, 2021 @ 11:09pm 
Originally posted by wespe___o=/:*:
Originally posted by Onx:
Try as I might I can't seem to get out of this alive...
...Paladin, Eder, Serafen, Xoti, and Aloth...
Let me guess.. most are single class and your Gear is not even Superb?
In short: looks like a bad group

I think we can refrain from such statements. The group he has is almost identical with the group I used to fight the megabosses (I had a main PC mind-stalker instead of Serafen and used Pallegina). And no I did not multiclass Aloth. Actually in the fight against the Oracle I had Fassina (instead of Xoti) as well as a full wizard (Path of the Damned) . This game is very flexible on how you can approach the encounters.

I strongly believe he might easily defeat the Oracle with these characters. Worst possible case, he might have to make some respec in the spells of Aloth and Serafen.

Let's see what Onx will tell us first.

Last edited by Steffan; Jul 26, 2021 @ 11:16pm
wespe___o=/;;;:* Jul 27, 2021 @ 6:57am 
Originally posted by steffan8:
Originally posted by wespe___o=/:*:
Let me guess.. most are single class and your Gear is not even Superb?
In short: looks like a bad group
...The group he has is almost identical with the group I used to fight the megabosses (I had a main PC mind-stalker instead of Serafen and used Pallegina). And no I did not multiclass Aloth. Actually in the fight against the Oracle I had Fassina (instead of Xoti) as well as a full wizard (Path of the Damned) . This game is very flexible on how you can approach the encounters...
Agreed regarding "flexible".. But your other chars were Multiclass right? And the way I read the OP he might really have done all Party Singleclass - which is a problem given those fixed classes.
Why? ..out of the box:
-> Eder (Fighter), Serafen (Cipher), Xoti (Monk), Aloth (Wizard) ..now add player as pure Paladin ..your group could face serious problems :steammocking:

From my experience Singleclass-party requires a good composition or it´s easy to mess up with the fixed Companions.. Often, the problem is that players want their own playstyle, which can be a huge handicap given the choices.

Imho, Fassina is crap.. unless you go pure Wizard and focus on conjured weapons (still extremely limited and subpar to Aloth).. definitely much weaker than custom Wizard.
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Du-Vu Jul 27, 2021 @ 10:07am 
Single class is workable, not sure why you're so down on it. I've done an all-single class default characters run, gone through that fight with no dedicated cleric or paladin, and other people (not me, though) do solo runs. You make up the difference in other ways, like maybe focus on stun-locking/debuffing and positioning or pure DPS rather than healing or buffing, and there are still scrolls, summons, potions. Your build and tactics are what's important, not just party makeup. That's why we need the answers to steffan8's questions.
Last edited by Du-Vu; Jul 27, 2021 @ 10:23am
wespe___o=/;;;:* Jul 27, 2021 @ 10:44am 
Originally posted by Du-Vu:
Single class is workable, not sure why you're so down on it. I've done an all-single class default characters run, gone through that fight with no dedicated cleric or paladin, and other people (not me, though) do solo runs...
..Your build and tactics are what's important, not just party makeup...
No one doubts that singleclass is workable.. But given all available Companions/Sidekicks the OP uses a very weak constellation. That is the root of issues he would not have with a different setup.
On a Sidenote, some classes got fixed.. that´s why most SOLO videos are quite old :steammocking:

>> Another important point is: RTwP vs Turn-based <<

Originally posted by Du-Vu:
Single class is workable...
...You make up the difference in other ways, like maybe focus on stun-locking/debuffing and positioning or pure DPS rather than healing or buffing, and there are still scrolls, summons, potions...
..interesting point

Well, I never use scrolls, same for summon items.. and potions just in bossfights (if absolutely needed). It´s sad enough the game allows a ton of potting, not to mention totally overpowered Buff-Food :steamfacepalm:
Typically and lorewise only Rogue would use "magic Devices".. ofc a Mage (Wizard) could use scrolls, but why? Expensive, not needed with Grimoire.

Since the OP has serious issues, I doubt he is fully stacked and buffed with such cheesy tools.. which I respect :D:
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Du-Vu Jul 27, 2021 @ 11:13am 
Sure, play how you want, and if you don't like the ways POE is different from D&D, that's totally your call. But it's a separate discussion from just helping the OP get through the fight. And since this is really the last true challenge of the game, if they're not blowing all those hoarded items here, they never will. You can learn how to win the fight without items, but doing it with them is a fine first step. Learn by doing,
Steffan Jul 27, 2021 @ 12:19pm 
Originally posted by wespe___o=/:*:

Imho, Fassina is crap.. unless you go pure Wizard and focus on conjured weapons (still extremely limited and subpar to Aloth).. definitely much weaker than custom Wizard.

Yes, she is a bit weaker, yes. But a wizard. But the Caedabald's (?) Black bow was enough to wreck havoc among the support of the Oracle. She is also an excellent finisher: it was her spell that destroyed Concelhaut and the Oracle. But the composition of the OP will definitely work. Let's agree to disagree on that.

In my playthrought it was the first Oracle fight (where it was weaker) was slightly tougher until I guess where its weakness is. During the second he could cast two-three spells at most (PotD as well) as he was almost the entire time petrified. But oh, gods, I still have nightmares from Neriscyrlas of the Beast of Winter... To each his/her own styles and his/her nemesys. Let's stop here.

I still wanted to hear from the OP, which was the reason for the whole discussion.
Last edited by Steffan; Jul 27, 2021 @ 12:22pm
Onx Jul 27, 2021 @ 12:21pm 
Thanks, all.. To answer Steffan8's questions... And yes they're all single class- call me a purist at heart. I didn't multiclass a single character between this and POE1.

1. Blood Storm, Blood Thirst, Stalwart Defense
2. Yes to both- I used wall of many of colors
3. Aloth has Rod of Deep Hunter - Superb with legendary Aloth's leather
4.
5. Legendary Duskfall

Not sooner did I ask for the help did I take them all down. It's always been about using the battlefield/terrain to my advantage and this was no different. I just shifted my party to the other side of the chamber and moved Serafen over to run interference with the bulk of the minions. It also helped that Conceallhut stayed active for a very long time for whatever reason- I let Conceallhut keep clocking the Oracle. Aloth stayed up a long time as well.

Interestingly, it puts you back in the Restricted Section/Central Stack, so I know there is unfinished business in those parts. But at least got them!!
Steffan Jul 27, 2021 @ 12:26pm 
Originally posted by Onx:
Thanks, all.. To answer Steffan8's questions... And yes they're all single class- call me a purist at heart. I didn't multiclass a single character between this and POE1.

1. Blood Storm, Blood Thirst, Stalwart Defense
2. Yes to both- I used wall of many of colors
3. Aloth has Rod of Deep Hunter - Superb with legendary Aloth's leather
4.
5. Legendary Duskfall

Not sooner did I ask for the help did I take them all down. It's always been about using the battlefield/terrain to my advantage and this was no different. I just shifted my party to the other side of the chamber and moved Serafen over to run interference with the bulk of the minions. It also helped that Conceallhut stayed active for a very long time for whatever reason- I let Conceallhut keep clocking the Oracle. Aloth stayed up a long time as well.

Interestingly, it puts you back in the Restricted Section/Central Stack, so I know there is unfinished business in those parts. But at least got them!!

Great job! You've gone for a full barbarian with Serafen while my plan involved a cipher (the ability that allows renewing of resources, there was a cloak of illusions that could also give a chance for it, hence the question about Aloth equipment). Yet, another proof how flexible this game is.

A little admission there: I could not drop Aloth like 99% of the encounters. I like him and I can not play without having a wizard around. Wizards are one of the strongest classes in this game. They are perfect for crowd control.
Last edited by Steffan; Jul 27, 2021 @ 12:32pm
RACHMANOVSKI Jul 29, 2021 @ 2:55am 
Yes this fight is frustrating for me too. I'm not master character builder but my character is good enough that I'm practically steamrolling everything up to this DLC. When I faced him my party is already reached level 20.

During this kind of fight I relies a lot to Eder as my tank to take a lot of damage and aloth to cast drain wall and rainbow wall to turn the enemy gay, I mean petrified. My strategy is to make Eder consistently hits the big eye and my main character (who is shotgunner) clean the ghosts and the meat monsters, while my Xoti constantly casting heals and protection bubbles and buff.

Additionally if you already have Cancelhaut Skull, cast it, it helps to bait the enemy, also my Xoti also able to summon big cow-thingy and that one dangling head warrior from the Slayer DLC.

2 Abilities helps me a lot: Take Down (Eder) and Wild bubble (Fassina, yes, I brought Fassina in this fight) and hentai tencales to hold the meat monsters and the ghosts -- also some Major Healing Potions help a lot too, because the ghosts magician actually hits my character harder than the boss itself -- so it is important to interrupt the ghost as much as you can and spread your party, because they will cast draining gay wall.

Good thing about this fight it teaches me to "kite" the enemy. Like as I finished with the big eyes half of my squad is knocked down and the rest is like alive with 10hp while there are 3 meat monster and ghost magician alive, I was lucky Eder was still alive and with 3 major healing potion, so he took them magician real fast while my ranger interrupting their shots.
Last edited by RACHMANOVSKI; Jul 29, 2021 @ 3:02am
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