Obsidian: "It is such a quiet thing, to fall. But far more terrible is to admit it."

[raubrey]

Obsidian - I don't think I have ever been more disapponted in a developer, not even in Bioware, and the ruination of Mass Effect seen in Andromeda. To see such talent reduced to this:

Your social agendas may be common to high school and colleges but did you have to remove any trace of imagination as well.

You have been erased from my list of favorite developers. Forever.

Anyone whom says you should create another Fallout, from now on, I will just ...laugh. Bitterly.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1383971159


Addendum: Romancable Companions:
If you are female...

Xoti - ♥♥♥/bi
Teheku - bi
Serafen - one-nighter
Maia - ♥♥♥/bi
Aloth didn't work for me or for others I'm told. Didn't know he was romancable. So in my game there was no hetero companion.

This is the tip of the biased iceberg.

[Gregorovitch]

Diposting pertama kali oleh raubrey:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Lysimarkos of Ermor:

Is your point some about vague dislike of the HBO style "gotta have some T&A to keep the viewers watching." I'd actually agree, I don't like it all that much myself. In this case I think you might be overreacting a touch but it is your prerogative.

Well, at least you show a modicum of understanding - beyond really - to which I can respect. My issue is a bit broader (when looking back at RPGs) or more mixed, but if condensed I would settle for it being summed up similarly. I do appreciate a willingness to at least try to see beyond the bathouse itself as being the issue and wild comparisons to art forms.

I'm finding this conversation getting more bizarre by the minute.

In the days before hot and cold running water provided by domestic boilers (most all of history bascially) bathhouses were are necessary and ubiquitous amenity in civilized sociatties throughout the world in one form or another. Therefore there is no surprise to find one in Neketawa (if that's where it is, I haven't got to it yet)

People generally take their clothes off to take baths.

Therefore the manner in which this bathouse is depicted is completely believable and normal day-to-day activity. The suggestion that the depiction is some kind of example of the deterioration of cRPG as a grenre is so bizarre that I find it almost impossible to fathom where it came from.

I ask again: WTF should they have done instead, in your opinion, to depict this bathouse scene?

[kaffekoppen]

Diposting pertama kali oleh raubrey:

Modern Fallout is an ARPG and FPS. Violence is expected and not even much of a narrative, though Bethesda does have one, and doesn't need nudity or liberal agendas (see other thread) to sell it.

But you do understand that violence can be gratuitous and used in exactly the same way as ♥♥♥ to sell media, right?

You talk about imagination. We can easily imagine that a sword makes some pretty nasty injuries without seeing tons of blood and dismembered limbs.

Now I don't actually mind violence in video games, but I think it's fair to say that it's a bit strange that gratuitous violence is much less frowned upon than ♥♥♥♥♥ people just standing around.

[Max]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Sleazy Ninja:

You americans really need to do the following:

1. Have a big brawl between SJW and non-SJW and just get it over with
2. Dont share your feewings wiv the world, like ever again.

The rest of the world really doesnt care about your internal politics in games we enjoy.

AMEN

[crysis]

Diposting pertama kali oleh raubrey:

Diposting pertama kali oleh dransaw:

I was just thinking this same thing. There are some people in this country (US) that don't bat an eye at violence, games where you can take a perk called "bloody mess" and blow people into bloody chunks, but those same individuals will freak out if there is any nudity. There's nothing wrong with the ♥♥♥♥ human body.

Depicting it in a game is not exploitation. It's not ♥♥♥. It's part of the world and helps create suspension of belief that allows the majority of players to become immersed in the game world.

Do you even understand the false narrative here?

Modern Fallout is an ARPG and FPS. Violence is expected and not even much of a narrative, though Bethesda does have one, and doesn't need nudity or liberal agendas (see other thread) to sell it.

CRPGs are or were held to a higher standard. Content was king and people's imagination ruled.
Some things are just better imagined and not seen, not just nudity, in an isometric game, either.

When you buy a game like Witcher 3 or Anime School Girls Dating Sim, at least you know what you're getting into.

It all went downhill when Obsidian started using the F-word liberally, sounding like a 13 y.o. whom just learned how to use it. I forgave that and to what end, more kiddie crap.

Much like the forum and some of its users. Oooh goody let's defend the nudie parts because Obsidian made it, or because now the game is less nerdy, not because it adds any value to the game.

Note to Bethesda: Keep Obisidan Far, Far, Far away from future Fallouts. It wouldn't know neutral karma and moral neutrality if it hit it in its ♥♥♥♥♥, pansexual, hypocritical, intolerant ass.

so your fine with killing people but not fine when people are ♥♥♥♥♥ if Violence is to be expected so sould Nudity

[Samurai]

Probably american.

Edit: Killing people with weapons or casting magic which makes them explode is A-OK but ♥♥♥♥♥ people are a SIN!

[raubrey]

Diposting pertama kali oleh kaffekoppen:

Diposting pertama kali oleh raubrey:

Modern Fallout is an ARPG and FPS. Violence is expected and not even much of a narrative, though Bethesda does have one, and doesn't need nudity or liberal agendas (see other thread) to sell it.

But you do understand that violence can be gratuitous and used in exactly the same way as ♥♥♥ to sell media, right?

You talk about imagination. We can easily imagine that a sword makes some pretty nasty injuries without seeing tons of blood and dismembered limbs.

Now I don't actually mind violence in video games, but I think it's fair to say that it's a bit strange that gratuitous violence is much less frowned upon than ♥♥♥♥♥ people just standing around.

Violence isn't gratuitous if in a violent game, be it an FPS or strategic war game.

[raubrey]

Also, when I pay for a CRPG I expect the money to go towards creating *content.*

If I wanted to pay for a developer to create ♥♥♥♥/scantily clad etc. bodies I'd buy a 3D game. Only a few devs are capable of doing movie-style RPG-ish games well anyway.

[kaffekoppen]

Diposting pertama kali oleh raubrey:

Violence isn't gratuitous if in a violent game, be it an FPS or strategic war game.

I certainly think it can be. I don't need to see eyeballs and brain matter flying at me to understand that I've shot someone. Don't get me wrong, I love ridiculously violent games, I just admit that it's part of the entertainment and is actually not needed by the narrative.

In any case, PoE 2 is a classic RPG with combat and non-combat elements. It's also supposed to make the world feel alive, and having semi-realistic locations helps with that. The bath house scene is not even sexualized and feels much less gratuitous than Fallout 3 and 4's liberal helpings of gore for example.

[Lock]

When I was born I saw my ♥♥♥♥♥ mom and hated her ever since. $kank. Now Obsidian does this. What a world we live in.

[Samurai]

Diposting pertama kali oleh raubrey:

Also, when I pay for a CRPG I expect the money to go towards creating *content.*

If I wanted to pay for a developer to create ♥♥♥♥/scantily clad etc. bodies I'd buy a 3D game. Only a few devs are capable of doing movie-style RPG-ish games well anyway.

JFC don't enter the bathhouse and stop whining. Better yet, refund the game if it offends you. Such a nonsense whiney attitude for such a non issue.

God i wish people like you would just stop posting topics like this as no one gives a crap about the issue you have with this particular thing anyway.

All it achieves is make you look like some nutcase tbh.

[raubrey]

Diposting pertama kali oleh kaffekoppen:

Diposting pertama kali oleh raubrey:

Violence isn't gratuitous if in a violent game, be it an FPS or strategic war game.

I certainly think it can be. I don't need to see eyeballs and brain matter flying at me to understand that I've shot someone. Don't get me wrong, I love ridiculously violent games, I just admit that it's part of the entertainment and is actually not needed by the narrative.

In any case, PoE 2 is a classic RPG with combat and non-combat elements. It's also supposed to make the world feel alive, and having semi-realistic locations helps with that. The bath house scene is not even sexualized and feels much less gratuitous than Fallout 3 and 4's liberal helpings of gore for example.

I think you left out Obsidian's violence in FONV. Let's not forget all the peni humor in Old World Blues too - from the robots to the fertilizing machine. That should have been a warning on the direction Obsidian was going (Fallout can be goofy, NV more so so it was not wholly unexpected) - secordary school locker room level.

But it's another example of this dev can do no wrong.

[Briggs]

Diposting pertama kali oleh John Titor:

Diposting pertama kali oleh raubrey:

Also, when I pay for a CRPG I expect the money to go towards creating *content.*

If I wanted to pay for a developer to create ♥♥♥♥/scantily clad etc. bodies I'd buy a 3D game. Only a few devs are capable of doing movie-style RPG-ish games well anyway.

JFC don't enter the bathhouse and stop whining. Better yet, refund the game if it offends you. Such a nonsense whiney attitude for such a non issue.

God i wish people like you would just stop posting topics like this as no one gives a crap about the issue you have with this particular thing anyway.

All it achieves is make you look like some nutcase tbh.

Welcome to the second Victorian Age.

[raubrey]

Diposting pertama kali oleh kaffekoppen:

Diposting pertama kali oleh raubrey:

Violence isn't gratuitous if in a violent game, be it an FPS or strategic war game.

I certainly think it can be. I don't need to see eyeballs and brain matter flying at me to understand that I've shot someone. Don't get me wrong, I love ridiculously violent games, I just admit that it's part of the entertainment and is actually not needed by the narrative.

In any case, PoE 2 is a classic RPG with combat and non-combat elements. It's also supposed to make the world feel alive, and having semi-realistic locations helps with that. The bath house scene is not even sexualized and feels much less gratuitous than Fallout 3 and 4's liberal helpings of gore for example.

Also, it's not true that it isn't sexualized. Just listen to the highly sexually charged (bi-pan-or whatever he is) water shaping companion go on about it.

[kaffekoppen]

Diposting pertama kali oleh raubrey:

But it's another example of this dev can do no wrong.

I don't remember saying that :)

Diposting pertama kali oleh raubrey:

Also, it's not true that it isn't sexualized. Just listen to the highly sexually charged (bi-pan-or whatever he is) water shaping companion go on about it.

The image is just people standing or sitting though. Doesn't look very pornographic to me.

[raubrey]

Diposting pertama kali oleh kaffekoppen:

Diposting pertama kali oleh raubrey:

But it's another example of this dev can do no wrong.

I don't remember saying that :)

No, you haven't. :)