Cheating AI & Zerg rushing enemies instead of quality combat.

[Hex: Onii-Chan]

From what i've exprienced and seen, compared to XCom, this game just can't get the one thing right that is most vital - combat.

Enemies come in rushing in insane numbers, often 8+ at a time. And since cover only means damage reduction, they WILL zerg any agent down, no matter what perks or abilities they have.

Not only that - the AI will also shoot through walls and floors, just so that it has at least some chance.

And not only, only that - AI will get caught in pockets, just to pop like the worlds most annoying cyst and have 4-6 units squeeze themselves out of a broom closet.

Aaaaand not only, only, only that - once combat breaks out, the game tries its best to make you rush and make mistakes. The combination of VERY sparingly timed Evac, enemy reinforcements coming in and pretty much being surrounded after the first reinforcement just forces an aggressive, brainless playstyle.


Seriously, this is just disappointing. I expected something akin to XCom 1-2, but the result is just a half♥♥♥♥♥♥♥attempt, that somebody dared to slap a 40$ price shield on.

P.S. extra thanks for the russian synchro voices, who sound like they were picked straight from some highschool's theater play and have to deliver every line as if they are sitting on the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and have to fight through the worst constipation of their life. It's always lovely to hear my language completely and utterly butchered.

[Stoibs]

I mean, I'd argue that the most vital thing is the stealth gameplay which I am enjoying.
Barely been in combat so far, the few times I was during the Ambush and some other mission op it was okayish, but clearly not the point or emphasis of the game.

[IRMcG]

It's not supposed to be XCOM-Spy Edition, you're supposed to be avoiding combat as much as possible on 99% of the missions.

If the alarms go off you should be running before the reinforcements get there and have your extraction timing planned so it doesn't sit around and get compromised before you get there.

[Necroscourge]

The AI cheats hardcore. I really liked the game until I noticed that combat is entirely one sided. It's two people against 10; with the added bonus of the enemy having full armour, weapons, and the magic ability to shoot through walls, windows, and 5 inch gaps.

I would hold off on this game until they fix the cheating AI.

[Cain]

Originally posted by Necroscourge:

The AI cheats hardcore. I really liked the game until I noticed that combat is entirely one sided. It's two people against 10; with the added bonus of the enemy having full armour, weapons, and the magic ability to shoot through walls, windows, and 5 inch gaps.

I would hold off on this game until they fix the cheating AI.

The combat supposed to be somewhat one sided, as the enemy has almost unlimited resources. It is a spy game, not a combat game. And also, it's not the "James Bond going Rambo" kind of spy game either.

Your agents are not strangers to combat, but they are not supposed to take out unlimited waves of military reinforcements. You go in, do your stuff, and get out without trying to fight an army.

There are some bugs with LOS the devs working to solve, so hopefully that will be dealt with fast.

[TheGodlike]

I'm on the fence buying it - I would quite enjoy the sneaking focus. However, if I understand it correctly, there are missions ("Ambushes") where you have to fight and start the map/battle already "spotted"? In one let's play I've seen an ambush on the very first missions in the game. He had 3 agents and was utterly destroyed in a matter of rounds. Can that be avoided?

[Necroscourge]

There is nothing in this game to suggest that is true. The combat system is entirely about swarming the enemy guns blazing, which is what the enemy does.

@TheGodlike The enemy cheats, and ignore any rules on weapon range or distance.

[Сrazer2005]

The game seems not be intended to play in any way other then stealth. Once you got into combat mode you get pressured by endless spawning enemies, all sorts of timers and other annoying stuff. Definitely wasn't announced before launch, where combat and stealth modes were presented as equal opportunities. I understand there could be missions where you are against the odds and stealth is the best bet. But it's literally every mission like that.

[dq_177]

Isn't that the problem when you are a spy infiltrating an enemy stronghold? That you are heavily outnumbered by armed troops.

When your cover gets blowns things are going to get heavy.

[Power_Bert]

Combat is something that is meant to be avoided in this game. My only gripe lies with the way the game lets you shoot at enemies. (Through walls, halfway across the map, through floors etc)

[Necroscourge]

The AI is capable of shooting you with an automatic weapon from across the map. "Because the AI cheats" if not a fair reason to avoid combat. It's just bad game design.

[Spirit]

Salut les devs alors oui le jeu est bien sympa mais il risque de ne pas l être longtemps face à l IA cheater en trop surnombre et qui tire à travers les murs , bordel réctifier la visé quand on est cacher derrier un mur et qu un pnj au fin fond de la map vous touche je dis nan !
Et oki je suis un noob donc je joues en facile mais quand lors de missions pour 2 agent d un 1 porte l otage je me retrouve en réalité avec 1 seul agent qui peu se defendre et tiere mais merde quoi 1 agent contre 53 enemis non suis en facil à un moment je suis là pour m amuser et jouer si j avais voulu un defis ou me faire du mal j'utiliserai le fouet caché sous mon lit à un moment nan!!!

[Nightserg]

Thats dissapointing to hear. Was very excited for this game but combat being a total mess, story not being interesting at all even from the better reviews, and stealth, the only viable solution, being a cheating mechanic which you cant avoid, makes me want to say ♥♥♥♥ it entirely. I mean this is ridiculous:

https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/mellowfirstisabellineshrike

Honestly feels like there was barely any testing done or quality assurance and the people they gave the beta keys, were either dumb as a rock or just completely ignorant. Theres no way you can not complain about at least one of these things without telling the devs.

[Sekenr]

I agree with the op. I am currently in the ambush mission and don't understand what was even the point, to show off how awful the combat is? Also, for a game that supposedly isn't about combat all the character perks except one are combat related. Not to mention training, proficiencies, weapons, modding, etc.

[Caelus]

nah it doesnt force an aggressive playstyle..... it forces a stealth covert playstyle.... if you run in guns blazing, you get this result.... you are spies, not a entire military branch! lol

[Caelus]

and if you wanted combat and to go in guns blazing.... well, they gave you what you wanted didnt they? .... because the troops oin map at start are not enough for a interesting gun fight, so they sent more at you by the sounds of it lol makes it interesting, you wanted gun fight, they gave you things to have gun fight against :P