Finding the solution to the crime

[Marhault]

In the final part, once you selected a combination as the solution of the game, as the ghost you are able to assign 3 vision cards which lead to person/location/item. How is it decided the order showed to the players?

Sometimes I want to leave a not very appropriate and useful card as the last one, but the system put it before the other two more significant.

That is a problem when you play with the clairvoyance and a medium scored few points being entitled to a single vision card.

I tried different combination, but it looks totally random and it is not fair (in the board game rules you are able to select the sequence, it is not a random thing!).

Anyone has more clues regarding this?

It's the only disappointment that I have with this game, but sometimes it ruins a brilliant run!

[Comric]

True in the boardgame is different but I prefer this randomic system, more suspence and adds a bit of extra difficulty that punishes the player who has done little.
The game would be unbalanced but in this case, if the psychics lose, also loses the ghost and this rebalances the system.
As for the combination system you've already said and understood everything, it's random, there's nothing to explain.
However you don't take into account one thing: when you get to the end of the game there are 2 types of ghost (of course I don't take into account bad luck or trollers):

• the ghost that assigns three different cards that match well to what they want to represent by creating a 1:1 representation system
  
• the ghost that assigns three cards with elements in each of them that can also represent all three clues creating a 1:3 representation system

The second method of course helps a little to prevent the randomness of the game with clairvoyance enabled.

[Marhault]

Hi Comric, great osservations and thanks for your comment.
I second your opinion now with this new point of view :)

[Lauleyhn]

Or you could use 3 cards describing just one of the clues.

[Comric]

Its very rare that one technique is used because it could be counterproductive, I personally saw it used only once and it didn't go well, some players after the match asked for explanations on some cards and didn't take it well so the main chat started to heat up with insults.
It looks good said so but in reality it isn't, it takes very special combinations of cards to make sure that everything is perfect, % would be very low. Then the other two clues that are not taken into account could divert the player's decision (already it can be difficult with a 3:2 system, especially if the vision cards used are weak).
It might make sense to use this technique in a match with clairvoyance activated, in theory should increase the right response % of those players who only see one or two vision cards but it would be a slight increase that doesn't eliminate the problem.
Another element which might bother it, is if the player who decides has become accustomed to seeing how you play and a play like that would confuse him.
So I remain of the idea that systems 1:1 1:1 1:1 and 1:3 1:3 1:3 (and its variants) remain the best to use, without also taking into account the subcategories of these two systems, which would greatly enlarge the discourse.

[Ordon Draconis]

Grrr. Even though the OP has already selected the "answer to the topic"... that answer is wrong.

The original question is wrong. The answer is wrong. The next post is wrong.

I will QUOTE from page 11 of the rule book for the physical game.

QUOTE:

One of the three cards must point to the character of the target group, another to the location, and the final card to the object. The ghost then ***SHUFFLES*** the shared vision cards and places them face down in the middle of the table.

***SHUFFLES***

And using comric's terms, your 3 cards MUST BE 1:1. Of course, you hope to get lucky and have visions with overlaps, but not if it sacrifices the option for 1:1. You are NOT ALLOWED to "double up on one of the clues" if an option exists to better represent all three.

[Marhault]

Basically I chose the best correct answer to my wrong question. lol
I should read once more the rule book you are quoting. I always played 1:1, but never shuffled them before revealing the cards according to the hints collected by the players during the game. I rather chose which one showing at first and so on ...

[Comric]

Ordon you are a great player and I know very well that the game doesn't perfectly reflect the original manual of the boardgame, but as I wrote in the post I think it is better so

Originally posted by Comric:

True in the boardgame is different but I prefer this randomic system

, actually even in the boardgame, each person can make the rules he wants, just see the various variants on BGG that fans have created to make the game different or more stimulating.
Certainly the digital game is another speech but I appreciated that the Devs have left this freedom of thought in the final part, which I have always found weak as a regulation playing the boardgame, freedom that I find was just what was missing to make the game more fizzy.
Mysterium is a great game and I consider it one of the best cluedogames and one of my favorites boardgames but it's certainly not perfect.
Just think of the system of the ouija taken by Tajemnicze Domostwo, I myself have created a variant that involves the use of a special D6 by the ghost, to decide the fate and make it more difficult to assign vision cards.

In the boardgame, I have never shuffled the cards either because isn't necessary, you can't always play with people who have a great detective intuition, and unfortunately I have friends that if I don't play a super easy game they can't get to the final part. (this talk comes in handy, because if they were very good they would immediately understand with a 1:1 system and the game after a few games would become boring, even shuffling the cards).
A game with tokens with my friends would be impossible ; anyway you still forget the most important thing, which is to have fun

In conclusion, your anger or moodiness about it is misplaced, also because you know very well that what I wrote is what happens, I just explained how the players play.
Marhault your question isn't wrong, indeed is more than lawful.

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