It's hard for me to like Toko in the 1st game, it's even harder to like her in this

[kandnm115709]

Especially after she berated the resistance leader for not fighting back. In any other story, I'd agree with her but in this game's context, she's being a b*tch about it. The guy literally said they have no weapons to fight back and she herself knew just how dangerous those Monokumas are. The f**k does she expect them to do? Throw themselves at the Monokuma? That's like sticking your hand in a blender trying to stop the blades from spinning. Must be nice having a serial killer in your body to do the fighting for you, Toko.

[Ëvïlnïck8 ゴゴゴ]

Yeah, i found the rant againts the resistance leader also quite stupid.
I think the idea was that the players would see how Toko has grown since the first game, wanting to move forward no matter how hard it is.
But instead i felt like Toko was an impatient maniac who doesnt care the lives of others and only cares about her option alone.

I fully agreed with the resistance leader, we have no weapens so how do we fight?
And when he asked Toko if she had any well thought out plan she just called him a coward.

Its like calling a unarmed robbed person a coward because he didnt fight back againts criminals who had knifes and guns.

[Battler Ushiromiya]

Honestly, Toko gets better. She's made infinitely more likeable in this game. I don't remember being too bothered by that.

[kandnm115709]

Originally posted by Juzo Sakakura:

Honestly, Toko gets better. She's made infinitely more likeable in this game. I don't remember being too bothered by that.

To me, she was unlikable in the 1st game and got even more obnoxious in this game. The falling out she had with Komaru is another example why I dislike her even more than before. She accused Komaru for using excuses of normality to give up and calls her a coward for doing so. This comes from a girl who has no plan, no weapon, no ally and not even the courage to move forward on her own.

[Proxykon]

Originally posted by kandnm115709:

To me, she was unlikable in the 1st game and got even more obnoxious in this game. The falling out she had with Komaru is another example why I dislike her even more than before. She accused Komaru for using excuses of normality to give up and calls her a coward for doing so. This comes from a girl who has no plan, no weapon, no ally and not even the courage to move forward on her own.

It's okay if you don't like her, Toko isn't exactly somebody I would describe as "rational". Her personality is pretty shook up, rightfully so, in my opinion. So she says things to intentionally argue with people, make them feel bad about themselves or towards her. She never learned how to make friends properly and the instances people tried, it was just a joke.

But she isn't keeping quiet about her opinion, even if it isn't towards your preference.

Yet I could never agree with the last sentence you typed up:
Toko HAS A PLAN. Before she met Komuro, she was on her way to rescue her beloved Byakuya-sama. And said meeting wasn't even an incident as you know, Komuro at first was just a part of a deal for Byakuya's life to her.
Toko HAS WEAPONS. I mean, come on. You forgot about Genocider Sho's weapons?
I don't see what having no allies has to do with being a coward.
And sneaking onto a helicopter to rescue someone Toko would die for is something I would defend to call courageous.

[kandnm115709]

Originally posted by Enix:

Toko HAS WEAPONS. I mean, come on. You forgot about Genocider Sho's weapons?

I consider them different characters altogether. Genocide Jack is the one who has weapons and knows how to use them, Toko doesn't.

Originally posted by Enix:

I don't see what having no allies has to do with being a coward.

As do I but Toko clearly needs Komaru to move forward. I doubt she'd get far without Komaru or Genocide Jack doing almost everything for her.

Originally posted by Enix:

And sneaking onto a helicopter to rescue someone Toko would die for is something I would defend to call courageous.

Let's just say I don't really think she's doing it out of love... More like driven by lust or abnormal obsession. If so, then it's not courageous or brave but more towards being rash and stupid.

I think it's pretty obvious now I really don't like her. Sorry but I just don't see anything positive about her at all. She's currently my 2nd most unlikable character in Danganronpa, with Nagito at the very top and Hagakure just below her.

[Battler Ushiromiya]

Originally posted by kandnm115709:

Originally posted by Enix:

Toko HAS WEAPONS. I mean, come on. You forgot about Genocider Sho's weapons?

I consider them different characters altogether. Genocide Jack is the one who has weapons and knows how to use them, Toko doesn't.

Originally posted by Enix:

I don't see what having no allies has to do with being a coward.

As do I but Toko clearly needs Komaru to move forward. I doubt she'd get far without Komaru or Genocide Jack doing almost everything for her.

Originally posted by Enix:

And sneaking onto a helicopter to rescue someone Toko would die for is something I would defend to call courageous.

Let's just say I don't really think she's doing it out of love... More like driven by lust or abnormal obsession. If so, then it's not courageous or brave but more towards being rash and stupid.

I think it's pretty obvious now I really don't like her. Sorry but I just don't see anything positive about her at all. She's currently my 2nd most unlikable character in Danganronpa, with Nagito at the very top and Hagakure just below her.

They're different characters, yes, but they're still the same being. They occupy the same body, and Toko can call on Jack whenever she needs to. She can rely on Jack because, no matter what happens or where she goes, Jack will ALWAYS be with her and will ALWAYS be willing to kill.

Also, as was said, Toko gets far better in this game. It's called character development.

[kandnm115709]

Originally posted by Juzo Sakakura:

Also, as was said, Toko gets far better in this game. It's called character development.

Her "character development" is currently heading towards downhill to me.

[Battler Ushiromiya]

Originally posted by kandnm115709:

Originally posted by Juzo Sakakura:

Also, as was said, Toko gets far better in this game. It's called character development.

Her "character development" is currently heading towards downhill to me.

For no issue I've seen. That happens maybe a quarter of the way though the game.

[kandnm115709]

Originally posted by Juzo Sakakura:

Originally posted by kandnm115709:

Her "character development" is currently heading towards downhill to me.

For no issue I've seen. That happens maybe a quarter of the way though the game.

I sincerely hope you're right... Because I'd rather not have another Velvet, ugh.

[Battler Ushiromiya]

Originally posted by kandnm115709:

Originally posted by Juzo Sakakura:

For no issue I've seen. That happens maybe a quarter of the way though the game.

I sincerely hope you're right... Because I'd rather not have another Velvet, ugh.

Velvet from?

[kandnm115709]

Originally posted by Juzo Sakakura:

Originally posted by kandnm115709:

I sincerely hope you're right... Because I'd rather not have another Velvet, ugh.

Velvet from?

Tales of Berseria, ugh. It's has a simpler and better game mechanics than Zestiria but with god awful protagonist. I honestly felt I wasted about 45 hours of my life after beating that game, thanks to Velvet. She's such an obnoxious protagonist.

[Battler Ushiromiya]

Originally posted by kandnm115709:

Originally posted by Juzo Sakakura:

Velvet from?

Tales of Berseria, ugh. It's has a simpler and better game mechanics than Zestiria but with god awful protagonist. I honestly felt I wasted about 45 hours of my life after beating that game, thanks to Velvet. She's such an obnoxious protagonist.

To be fair, they set the bar high as hell with Luke in that regard.

[Proxykon]

Originally posted by kandnm115709:

I consider them different characters altogether. Genocide Jack is the one who has weapons and knows how to use them, Toko doesn't.

Well, as I consider them to be two minds in the same brain, we would be discussing semantics of the brain and split personalities from here on out, and I'm not willing to go this far. Let's agree to disagree.

Originally posted by kandnm115709:

As do I but Toko clearly needs Komaru to move forward. I doubt she'd get far without Komaru or Genocide Jack doing almost everything for her.

Couldn't know that, since we never see it happening. Let's also not forget how often Komaru has to rely on Toko to press on.

Originally posted by kandnm115709:

Let's just say I don't really think she's doing it out of love... More like driven by lust or abnormal obsession. If so, then it's not courageous or brave but more towards being rash and stupid.

Granted. I see love where you don't. Let's agree to disagree.

Originally posted by kandnm115709:

I think it's pretty obvious now I really don't like her. Sorry but I just don't see anything positive about her at all. She's currently my 2nd most unlikable character in Danganronpa, with Nagito at the very top and Hagakure just below her.

It's fine, really, I just see her as my new favorite character because of her development in this game. I find it weird that she left such a bad impression on you, but I accept your decision to not like her. She is not made to be everyone's favorite and she is clearly trying to brush people off with her behaviour.

[Electronic Toaster]

Um, you don't have to agree with a character to make them a good character. Every character in a story is not an avatar for the reader or player. Every character isn't there to do the things you want them to do and in the way you want them to.

Toko is understanderable based on her past, which is documented both in this game and in Danganronpa 1. Her actions make sense in relation to personality and her experiences. She was also quite different to how she was in Danganronpa 1, but in an understandable way. In the arguments wtih the Resistance leader she was partially berating herself and how she used to be. How she is at the start of Another Episode might not be nice, but it is better than where she was in Danganronpa 1 in terms of her will power and her willingness to take action.

And as an aside, I thought Velvet was brilliant in that she fits perfectly into her story, and the story of Berseria manages to have what is basically a protaganist villian, and a heroric antangonist. The lines were so heavily blurred that there was very little ability to put the protaganist and antagonist into easy categories like good and evil.

[Battler Ushiromiya]

Originally posted by Electronic Toaster:

Um, you don't have to agree with a character to make them a good character. Every character in a story is not an avatar for the reader or player. Every character isn't there to do the things you want them to do and in the way you want them to.

Toko is understanderable based on her past, which is documented both in this game and in Danganronpa 1. Her actions make sense in relation to personality and her experiences. She was also quite different to how she was in Danganronpa 1, but in an understandable way. In the arguments wtih the Resistance leader she was partially berating herself and how she used to be. How she is at the start of Another Episode might not be nice, but it is better than where she was in Danganronpa 1 in terms of her will power and her willingness to take action.

And as an aside, I thought Velvet was brilliant in that she fits perfectly into her story, and the story of Berseria manages to have what is basically a protaganist villian, and a heroric antangonist. The lines were so heavily blurred that there was very little ability to put the protaganist and antagonist into easy categories like good and evil.

Yeah, that's like calling Komaeda a terrible character because he's insane.