[Spoiler] Did you tell Rachel

[Timmy the Dragonborn]

I told her, what would happen if you don't?

[ryousanko]

Nope, sometimes what people need is nto what people want.

[Student of Ink]

Originally posted by priapus:

Here's my take on the subject. The game had a build up to the theme of protecting others and their wellbeing even if it all comes down to telling a lie. It took me a minute to ether let her mother leave or not before ending the conversation. I decided not to tell her.
Despite her father's actions she felt safe just being comforting to her and I didn't wanted to ruin what little love she still had. Her mother even said it was better off if she didn't meet her and gave me so many sincere reasons to keep it from her. Even though I know what happens to her later on I still felt it was better she didn't know and live whatever time she has left happy instead of hate.

You know, I'm starting to think that in part, lying is not the canon ending, because it could very well be that since Chloe told the truth to Rachel, that is exactly what lead to Rachel to having a deep dark depression that you know who just loves to take pictures of.

I kind of feel like Rachel IS happier in the Lied ending, and in the truth ending, I feel like Rachel drifted farther apart from her mom and dad, and that explains why they aren't in her life anymore. Where as with the lied to ending, I don't think it would make sense for them to be absent.

And yeah, Eliot is definitly not healthy minded. I wanted to punch him so damn bad.

[Timmy the Dragonborn]

Originally posted by Maviba:

No. Because she would lose her family because of this. Even if James lied to her, he did it for a good reason.
Sometimes you need to lie to protect somebody. As william said.

But william also said, it is passible to love someone even if the one spoke the unfavorable thruth.

[Bananacumber]

Truth over lies. I felt like i needed to tell Rachel the truth because her father went too far with his protection. I think that it's even more safe for Rachel to know that there is a person in her surroundings who are capable of doing horrible things. What if another person will appear in Rachel's life and her father will think that he/she is a bad influence and he should protect his beloved daughter. Ofc we don't know Sera as he knows, but she made an impression of a person, who was sincerely sorry, i believe that people deserve second chanses. So yes...also i felt like whole Rachel's life is filled up with lies, but girl herself is a strong person, so she could handle the truth. And i believe that i would do the same for my real life friends also.

[Maviba]

Originally posted by Water_Samurai:

Originally posted by priapus:

Here's my take on the subject. The game had a build up to the theme of protecting others and their wellbeing even if it all comes down to telling a lie. It took me a minute to ether let her mother leave or not before ending the conversation. I decided not to tell her.
Despite her father's actions she felt safe just being comforting to her and I didn't wanted to ruin what little love she still had. Her mother even said it was better off if she didn't meet her and gave me so many sincere reasons to keep it from her. Even though I know what happens to her later on I still felt it was better she didn't know and live whatever time she has left happy instead of hate.

You know, I'm starting to think that in part, lying is not the canon ending, because it could very well be that since Chloe told the truth to Rachel, that is exactly what lead to Rachel to having a deep dark depression that you know who just loves to take pictures of.

I kind of feel like Rachel IS happier in the Lied ending, and in the truth ending, I feel like Rachel drifted farther apart from her mom and dad, and that explains why they aren't in her life anymore. Where as with the lied to ending, I don't think it would make sense for them to be absent.

And yeah, Eliot is definitly not healthy minded. I wanted to punch him so damn bad.

I guess she had the depression anyways before already.
She already had problems with her dad

But i consider the ending as a kind of canon, since the truth would lead to a complete break up between her and her father (and rose).
Having in mind that Rachel is also physically and mentally weakened by damons attack, telling her the truth would be have a massive impact on her health.
Comparable to tell a heart diseased person who just survived a heart attack that a beloved person died recently.

[Djfe]

Originally posted by Robbiiee:

What do you mean, "why does her father need to be so protective"? Her mother is a junkie, associates with the wrong people, heck Rachel got stabbed by one of those people. IMO Eliot needed to mind his own business, everything he said just made him sound like a psychotic stalker and not to mention almost everything he blamed on Rachel was actually Chloe's fault to begin with, like the fight for example.

Originally posted by TreeTrunk:

Sera said to not tell Rachel so that she can continue growing up with a 'loving' father, but is Rachel's father really 'loving' if he payed criminals to kill Sera :mystbox: I told Rachel everything.

eh.. but he wanted Sera to stay away from Chloe, wanting to protect her. Is that not a form of love?

Her mother was a junkie, she has been clean for a year.
And we don't know whether she still associates with the wrong people.

I don't know why she appeared on the list with merrick, but I don't think Merrick would put her on that chair, if he was working together with her in any way.

and about the last thing: you mean Rachel
And about the quote you answered to: sera wasn't supposed to be killed, just drugged, I think, so Rachel would believe that her Mother is not clean at all. (looked different at first though)

[Djfe]

Originally posted by Kisai:

What we learned in LiS-BtS, is what Chloe's relationship adventure with Rachael was. You could have picked all paragon choices and not be as much of a badass, or you could have picked all the renegade options, including telling the truth, because that is what someone who is angry at the world does, spreads it.

I don't think Chloe was angry anymore after BTS (like at all)
Rachel changed Chloe's view of the world. She still is a punk and likes to act up. But she isn't pure anger anymore. And that's literally what leads her in my play to actually lie to her.

The crow/her father left her at the end. The dreams, the anger, all faded away in the view of RACHEL!!! ^^

Chloe realises that she has done too much harm already and that it won't help Rachel at all if she now tells her the truth.

[ryousanko]

The reason for which I lied (aside for my contempt for both Rachel and CHloe ¬¬) was that I think Chloe might had experiencied an instant of clarity in which she achknowledges that perhaps she doesnt know s*** about whats best for Rachel (I would argue that even Rachel doesnt know whats best for her ¬¬) Chloe disregarding the wishes of both Sera and refusing to admit that William would have probably acted the same way that James did, would be just plain arrogant on her part

"Only I know whats best for you!" sounds a lot like Elliot doesnt it ?

And , to be honest, this Chloe Price we are talking about: a stupid, selfish girl who was willing to murder the guy who saved her skin THRICE in order to save her gal-pal. So I decided that I was going to give Chloe her first , and probably, last Selfless act in the series:

Let Rachel have her perfect and supporting family, let her have what obviously she cant.

Is it perfect? No.

What is under the heaven?

[Hyperion]

I was genuinely surprised at the end to see that the global stats were split 50-50 on this. I thought that it was a difficult question, but to me the deciding factor was that there was this overriding theme to Rachel's reactions to being lied to. She wasn't angry at her father for "cheating" (in ep1), she was angry about the fact that he had lied to her and to his wife. Then when her father finally tells her the truth about her real mother, she was upset (again) because her parents had been lying to her about something very important for her entire life.

To me, this seemed to set up the idea that lying to Rachel would ultimately be hurting her. Even if it was supposedly "for her own good". And the rationale for lying, "for her own good", is similar to the excuses that David and Rachel's father and that creepy stalker boy used as justifications for their actions.

That being said, while it seemed that telling the truth was the correct ending, I respect the devs for offering that choice. I do not know what the other ending was like, and it sounds as though it might have been similar, which is a significant difference from how the original LiS had distinct endings. But on the other hand, as a prequel, it did have to set things up with the two of them being best friends at the end.

(and of course, I got chills when they showed that one last final scene...)

[TreeTrunk]

Originally posted by Hyperion:

That being said, while it seemed that telling the truth was the correct ending, I respect the devs for offering that choice. I do not know what the other ending was like, and it sounds as though it might have been similar, which is a significant difference from how the original LiS had distinct endings. But on the other hand, as a prequel, it did have to set things up with the two of them being best friends at the end.

I saw the 'lie to Rachel' ending on youtube and the only difference is the scene where Rachel's father smashes the bottle in the fireplace, it is replaced with a scene of Rachel having a loud elaborate conversation with her parents at the dining table that she smashed earlier.

As you said the endings had to be similar as it is a prequel

[Shinzou]

Of course that is only unless you bring Sera back into Rachel's life...

I played the game through from start to finish 4 times now, lied to Rachel twice, told her the truth twice. On my last attempt i got Sera to meet her, and that seems right somehow...

However, i feel the "lie to her" is the more Canon ending if this is supposed to connect to the original LiS, since it makes sense then that Rachel would again seek out more info about her mother, run to Frank, leave Chloe (or at least distrust her for keeping a lie... AGAIN), and result in her inevitable (or is it?) demise.

Then again i still believe, this game plays in an alternate reality from LiS, so anything goes really.

[Stormwings]

He tried to get Sera killed. I had to tell her the truth. I hated him.

[mutantbeth]

Originally posted by Shinzou:

Of course that is only unless you bring Sera back into Rachel's life...

I played the game through from start to finish 4 times now, lied to Rachel twice, told her the truth twice. On my last attempt i got Sera to meet her, and that seems right somehow...

However, i feel the "lie to her" is the more Canon ending if this is supposed to connect to the original LiS, since it makes sense then that Rachel would again seek out more info about her mother, run to Frank, leave Chloe (or at least distrust her for keeping a lie... AGAIN), and result in her inevitable (or is it?) demise.

Then again i still believe, this game plays in an alternate reality from LiS, so anything goes really.

nah both can be considered canon since the other events take place later. she could have many reasons to seeking out Frank. Keep in mind she is a manipulator similar to her mother. not saying shes a bad person. But thats who she is.

[mulletman]

First playthrough I hid the truth, but I told her the next time. Besides, James is the DA, shouldn't he be better at searching for her daughter? Either that or the cops in Arcadia Bay are awful. No worries though, I took out my frustration with the absurdity of Arcadia Bay when I let it get hit by the tornado.

[Shinzou]

Originally posted by MutantBeth/Twitch:

Originally posted by Shinzou:

Of course that is only unless you bring Sera back into Rachel's life...

I played the game through from start to finish 4 times now, lied to Rachel twice, told her the truth twice. On my last attempt i got Sera to meet her, and that seems right somehow...

However, i feel the "lie to her" is the more Canon ending if this is supposed to connect to the original LiS, since it makes sense then that Rachel would again seek out more info about her mother, run to Frank, leave Chloe (or at least distrust her for keeping a lie... AGAIN), and result in her inevitable (or is it?) demise.

Then again i still believe, this game plays in an alternate reality from LiS, so anything goes really.

nah both can be considered canon since the other events take place later. she could have many reasons to seeking out Frank. Keep in mind she is a manipulator similar to her mother. not saying shes a bad person. But thats who she is.

I am just saying it makes the most sense to me, as in Rachel would have a reason to seek out Frank if Chloe lied to her about Sera. First of all, because she still wants to find her real mother, and also because Chloe, the ONE person she finally thought she could trust, would also lie to her under the guise of protecting her, exactly as her Father James claimed to do. That is a huge breach of trust...

So the endings where Chloe is telling her the truth, especially the one where Rachel gets to meet Sera, would be much more of a stretch. Not impossible, sure, but they would paint Rachel in a much less sympathetic light, since she now has much less of a reason to betray Chloe.