Life is Strange: Before the Storm

Life is Strange: Before the Storm

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Orge Lambart Mar 11, 2019 @ 6:52pm
So Max could have pretty much Saved Chloe, saved Rachel and the town.. (spoilers)
She had a phone.. and she was actively texting with Chloe while they were seperated..

She could travel back in time... So couldn't she have traveled back in time to a time before Rachel was killed.. Texted Chloe the whole situation and saved Rachel from being killed by Jefferson and saved Chloe from being killed by Nathan..

All by using her Cell phone... yet she didn't even do anything to warn Chloe, or try to stop rachel from being killed.. Max was pretty much useless with all her powers, and wound up not doing anything useful at all..
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ponk Mar 11, 2019 @ 11:24pm 
she could've told Chloe during the scene where she went back to save Chloe's dad, I totally agree with this and think about it all the time!
Dark Angel Mar 12, 2019 @ 2:46am 
Next day.
"Hey, Max. This is Chloe. You know, your best friend whom you abandoned for five years. Nevermind. So, what about this weird message, you texted to me yesterday? And how the hell you know about Rachel?"
"Oh, hi, Chloe. Don't know what you talking about. Who's Rachel? By the way I very busy right now. Text you later."
Max in past wouldn't remember what she did when she was possessed by Max from future. So if Max from future didn't convinced Chloe at first try, then any kind of warnings will not works.
Depenmytyc Mar 12, 2019 @ 9:49am 
Originally posted by Dark Angel:
Next day.
"Hey, Max. This is Chloe. You know, your best friend whom you abandoned for five years. Nevermind. So, what about this weird message, you texted to me yesterday? And how the hell you know about Rachel?"
"Oh, hi, Chloe. Don't know what you talking about. Who's Rachel? By the way I very busy right now. Text you later."
Max in past wouldn't remember what she did when she was possessed by Max from future. So if Max from future didn't convinced Chloe at first try, then any kind of warnings will not works.
Max from the future would easily convince Chloe if she presented some evidence of her knowledge of the future.
It can be winning lottery numbers, the forecast of events for the next month, etc. Of course Max will say that tomorrow she will forget about this conversation. So she would ask Chloe to write down information about the future.
In other topics we discussed in detail the possible options. For example, in a large theme about Rachel on the forum Life is Strange 1.
Orge Lambart Mar 12, 2019 @ 6:52pm 
Originally posted by Dark Angel:
Next day.
"Hey, Max. This is Chloe. You know, your best friend whom you abandoned for five years. Nevermind. So, what about this weird message, you texted to me yesterday? And how the hell you know about Rachel?"
"Oh, hi, Chloe. Don't know what you talking about. Who's Rachel? By the way I very busy right now. Text you later."
Max in past wouldn't remember what she did when she was possessed by Max from future. So if Max from future didn't convinced Chloe at first try, then any kind of warnings will not works.

check the phone in Before the store, they have been texting each other back and forth, so hardly call that abandoning her,, also it's not like she had much of a choice at her age in regards to moving..
Dark Angel Mar 12, 2019 @ 9:32pm 
Originally posted by Depenmytyc:
Max from the future would easily convince Chloe if she presented some evidence of her knowledge of the future.
Even when Chloe was witness thousands of times of Max ability to time travel, she still very stubborn and very hard to convinced. Max travel from future, directly and precisely said they both gonna die if they going to party and Chloe gives no single damn and still want to kick Nathan's ass.
And now imagine how Chloe will react if she don't know about Max can time travel, didn't seen Max for years and angry because of this.
"Hey, Chloe. Looks, there is lottery numbers..."
"What are you talking about? What lottery numbers? Are you high? You calling to me after all this years and telling about some bullsh numbers?"

Originally posted by Orge Lambart:
they have been texting each other back and forth
They actually don't. Only purpose of these messages is to showing you how Max start to ignore Chloe. You just didn't get this.
And this was definitely not back and fort. This like one message from Max like "I'm busy/later" and five from Chloe like "Max why you not answering me?"
Orge Lambart Mar 13, 2019 @ 10:14am 
Originally posted by Dark Angel:
Originally posted by Depenmytyc:
Max from the future would easily convince Chloe if she presented some evidence of her knowledge of the future.
Even when Chloe was witness thousands of times of Max ability to time travel, she still very stubborn and very hard to convinced. Max travel from future, directly and precisely said they both gonna die if they going to party and Chloe gives no single damn and still want to kick Nathan's ass.
And now imagine how Chloe will react if she don't know about Max can time travel, didn't seen Max for years and angry because of this.
"Hey, Chloe. Looks, there is lottery numbers..."
"What are you talking about? What lottery numbers? Are you high? You calling to me after all this years and telling about some bullsh numbers?"

Originally posted by Orge Lambart:
they have been texting each other back and forth
They actually don't. Only purpose of these messages is to showing you how Max start to ignore Chloe. You just didn't get this.
And this was definitely not back and fort. This like one message from Max like "I'm busy/later" and five from Chloe like "Max why you not answering me?"


The point remains that if Max had texted Chloe and let her know what was going to happen using information she would have had no way of knowing, like Chloe's friendship with Rachel, you'd think it would make Chloe listen.. Max could have even reached out to Chloe's mom or even David... David for sure would have listened and potentially kept a closer eye on what was happening..

I just think she had ways to try and stop what happen, but did nothing but whine and sulk around, then either let Arcadia Bay get destroyed or her friend die..

Depenmytyc Mar 13, 2019 @ 12:17pm 
Originally posted by Dark Angel:
Even when Chloe was witness thousands of times of Max ability to time travel, she still very stubborn and very hard to convinced. Max travel from future, directly and precisely said they both gonna die if they going to party and Chloe gives no single damn and still want to kick Nathan's ass.
And now imagine how Chloe will react if she don't know about Max can time travel, didn't seen Max for years and angry because of this.
"Hey, Chloe. Looks, there is lottery numbers..."
"What are you talking about? What lottery numbers? Are you high? You calling to me after all this years and telling about some bullsh numbers?"
Remember that letter Chloe got from Max in her sleep? She waited for Max to call and wasn't too angry. Can be given Chloe a few minutes to express her emotions and then move on to the facts.
Dark Angel Mar 13, 2019 @ 2:07pm 
Originally posted by Orge Lambart:
I just think she had ways to try and stop what happen, but did nothing but whine and sulk around, then either let Arcadia Bay get destroyed or her friend die..
And I completely agree with you. In the end it looks like she not even tried. I also think Max should do something, like fight to the end, but she just surrender. But I still don't think she can change things by just sending couple messages.

Originally posted by Depenmytyc:
Remember that letter Chloe got from Max in her sleep? She waited for Max to call and wasn't too angry. Can be given Chloe a few minutes to express her emotions and then move on to the facts.
No, I actually don't remember any letters.
Maybe she can forgive. But can she believe?
Last edited by Dark Angel; Mar 13, 2019 @ 2:08pm
Orge Lambart Mar 13, 2019 @ 7:35pm 
Originally posted by Dark Angel:
Originally posted by Orge Lambart:
I just think she had ways to try and stop what happen, but did nothing but whine and sulk around, then either let Arcadia Bay get destroyed or her friend die..
And I completely agree with you. In the end it looks like she not even tried. I also think Max should do something, like fight to the end, but she just surrender. But I still don't think she can change things by just sending couple messages.

Originally posted by Depenmytyc:
Remember that letter Chloe got from Max in her sleep? She waited for Max to call and wasn't too angry. Can be given Chloe a few minutes to express her emotions and then move on to the facts.
No, I actually don't remember any letters.
Maybe she can forgive. But can she believe?

you honestly don't think if Maxed Texted Chloe with all the information about Prescott, and Mr. Jefferson and gave the information on what was going to happen and when, That Chloe wouldn't have at the very least been curious about why Chloe knew so much about Rachel, Prescotts and the school..

how about hitting up Rachel's DA father, I mean once she was telling him about his daughter being a victim of Mr. Jefferson and Prescott, you don't think he would at the very least have kept an eye on them and investigated stuff.. At the very least prevented his daughter from being a victim?
Dethlane Mar 14, 2019 @ 3:13am 
Originally posted by Depenmytyc:
Remember that letter Chloe got from Max in her sleep? She waited for Max to call and wasn't too angry. Can be given Chloe a few minutes to express her emotions and then move on to the facts.
Remember that Chloe had hard time to believe Max about her powers while having direct contact with her, and with Max saving her life prior to their reunion. And that Max can only stay in the past for few minutes tops. And that she can't carry anything with her.

Originally posted by Orge Lambart:
you honestly don't think if Maxed Texted Chloe with all the information about Prescott, and Mr. Jefferson and gave the information on what was going to happen and when, That Chloe wouldn't have at the very least been curious about why Chloe knew so much about Rachel, Prescotts and the school..
She would've thought that Max is high. Then Chloe asks Max for clarification, gets no reply (or smth like "sorry, dunno what I wrote to you, busy now, TTYL") and gets mad at her again.

Originally posted by Orge Lambart:
how about hitting up Rachel's DA father, I mean once she was telling him about his daughter being a victim of Mr. Jefferson and Prescott, you don't think he would at the very least have kept an eye on them and investigated stuff.. At the very least prevented his daughter from being a victim?
He was in denial and did nothing after Rachel went missing. So yeah, he wouldn't have done anything after hearing some rumors. Or he would've tried to shield Rachel again, she angrily fled away and got abducted.
Depenmytyc Mar 14, 2019 @ 11:08am 
Originally posted by Dark Angel:
No, I actually don't remember any letters.
Maybe she can forgive. But can she believe?
In Chloe's dreams, her diary transform... in the diary of her subconscious, or something. Chloe wrote this letter to herself on Max's behalf. She waits for any news from Max and is ready to understand and forgive.
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/life-is-strange/images/7/75/20180310124249_1.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20180310095011&path-prefix=ru
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/life-is-strange/images/2/2e/BtS_Chloe%27s_Letters_Page_1_HOPEFUL.png/revision/latest?cb=20170917102444

Look, here I put the sample text of a letter that could convince Chloe:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/319630/discussions/0/1836811737987576131/#c3247565033755012057
Dark Angel Mar 14, 2019 @ 2:16pm 
Originally posted by Orge Lambart:
Chloe wouldn't have at the very least been curious about why Chloe knew so much about Rachel, Prescotts and the school..
Nope. Chloe don't care about Prescotts and the school. And Max know nothing about Rachel and her friendship with Chloe, except, of course, fact they are friends.

Originally posted by Orge Lambart:
how about hitting up Rachel's DA father
This one probably can works. Of course James wouldn't believe in time travel stuff, or prediction her daughter in "danger", but at last Max can provide information about crime (Jefferson kidnapped couple of girls and some of them probably can witness he did it against their will). Still it will take lot of time to collect evidences and build a case. And this only help to bust Jefferson.
But Rachel was (will) killed by Nathan, who did nothing wrong yet (except selling drugs but come on! every cop in town know this). Murdering Rachel was his first crime and he did it without Jefferson. And still can do.

Originally posted by Depenmytyc:
In Chloe's dreams, her diary transform...
Thanks. I read her diary, but not in her dreams.

Originally posted by Depenmytyc:
Look, here I put the sample text of a letter that could convince Chloe:
And if she not interested in sport or crime news? What score did she said? It was Diaz or Lopez? (by the way: how many Diaz lives in Portland?) Mushrooms will be legalized? Lol, tell me something I don't know.
Last edited by Dark Angel; Mar 14, 2019 @ 2:18pm
Depenmytyc Mar 15, 2019 @ 3:00pm 
Originally posted by Dark Angel:
And if she not interested in sport or crime news? What score did she said? It was Diaz or Lopez? (by the way: how many Diaz lives in Portland?) Mushrooms will be legalized? Lol, tell me something I don't know.
I didn't waste time looking for the real facts, because I didn't know when Max would jump into the past. My list was a joke. However, Max and Chloe know how to use the Internet, Wikipedia and search.
If Max suspects the sports news is taking Chloe out of her comfort zone, she'll cook something else. For example, news of the world of music.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_in_American_music
nihilistninja Mar 15, 2019 @ 3:42pm 
Is there a way for Max to leverage her powers to save Rachel and potentially the entire population of Arcadia Bay?

Sure. Plenty of people have come up with really solid methods for Max to do so.

As part of the story we got?

No. We all played the game, at no point did Max really have a chance to sit down and come up with a workable solution to the problems in front of her, particularly by the time they discovered Rachel's ultimate fate. We're all looking at this with the benefit of meta-knowledge and months/years of thinking about it that Max didn't have.

Could Max do this after either of the endings?

Assuming her powers still work? Then sure. Given enough time to think things through, plan and experiment, Max could arrive at some of the solutions fans have presented or some use of her powers never seen in the game.

Would Max do this?

Almost certainly not after the Bay ending, where Max seems to have made peace with Chloe's death and is moving on with her life.

Maybe after the Bae ending, but I could only see her risking it after everything she went through using her powers this way in the game if Chloe asked her to and was desperate enough.

Certainly Max would require some really dire event to push her into trying this sort of thing, with all the suffering and potential consequences, it's not something she would just do on a whim.

Would Chloe ask her to?

I don't think so. I don't see the Chloe that arrived on the cliff at the penultimate point of the game with the way she had grown by that point and the stress and suffering she had seen caused to Max by her powers asking Max to put herself through that again.

Even for Rachel.


TL;DR - Max could potentially leverage her powers to save Rachel, but I don't see any real way she would be influenced to do so aside from some hypothetical world ending or Chloe-destroying threat that required her to do so.


Edit - yeah I posted the same thing on a similar topic on the LiS board, but it's relevant here too.
nihilistninja Mar 15, 2019 @ 4:18pm 
In response to the OP - Blaming Max for not having the perfect meta-knowledge that players have gained through multiple playthroughs, discussions with other fans, other fanworks and months or years to sit down and process it is unreasonable.

You have unrealistic expectations of characters. The one power Max gains that could potentially save Rachel the way you suggest is the one that immediately burns Max with the unpredictable consequences (saving William causes Chloe to die a long, lingering death) and she refuses to use it again until she has no other options in the Dark Room and to prevent Chloe's death in the junkyard.

At what point in the game after Max realising that she had the power to save Rachel did you expect her to come up with this plan?

It couldn't be when she discovered the photo-jump ability as she was immediately turned off using it again after experiencing the consequences and didn't know Rachel was dead at that point anyway.

It couldn't be after she discovered Rachel had died as Chloe was immediately on a revenge streak to kill Nathan with Max along for the ride.

Straight after that Max was desperately trying to escape Jefferson and find the one remaining photo she knew could save Chloe and then she's on the cliff facing down the storm.

When exactly in the game did Max have the time to calmly and rationally sit down and come up with a plan to save Rachel, look for a specific photo that would allow her to contact Chloe at the right point in time and get enough information from Chloe/the internet to convince Chloe's past self of Max's reliability and save Rachel?

And what would the consequences be? As saving Rachel wouldn't prevent the storm, but it very well might lead to Chloe and Rachel leaving Arcadia Bay before Max even gets there, leaving an alternate version of Max to deal with everything alone, potentially without her powers as she would never have gained them in the bathroom.

Let me make a quick list of potential events in a timeline where Rachel lived/Max returned to save her as soon as she discovered her photo-jump ability:
  1. Rachel and Chloe leave AB
  2. David is never as paranoid about investigating as he was after Rachel's disappearance
  3. Nathan doesn't go off the rails so there's never the roughly 6 month break in the Dark Room victims between Rachel and Kate that there was in the original timeline
  4. Kate is abducted and assaulted earlier and commits suicide as Max doesn't have powers to save her
  5. Max is captured and assaulted and withdraws from Blackwell
  6. there's no bathroom confrontation so Max never awakens her powers
  7. future Max takes back over and finds herself back home in Seattle in a timeline where Chloe has left AB, David is less informed, Nathan and Jefferson are working together better, more girls have been assaulted and the storm is still coming
  8. Arcadia Bay is wiped off the map by a storm with no one knowing why and nothing about Jefferson, Nathan and the Dark Room is ever uncovered
  9. ???
  10. profit

Like I said, your expectations of Max as a character in the events she was placed in with the knowledge she had on hand to get the perfect results you desire is beyond unreasonable, particularly as saving Rachel doesn't solve any of the big problems and actually makes some thing worse.

Edit - also Max and Chloe remaining in communication for a year or so after Max's move was a retcon introduced by BtS. The original game is pretty specific that there was no contact between these two characters after Max moved to Seattle.

Playing the first game with the assumption that there was a time where Max and Chloe were talking after her move for future-Max to return to and convince Chloe f something is contrary to the original writer's depiction.
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