Life is Strange: Before the Storm

Life is Strange: Before the Storm

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BOMBOCLAT Dec 25, 2018 @ 10:56am
Why did rachel do such things?
hello guys so ive just finished playing LiS:BtS, and i quite like it....actually i love it, however i found myself asking a question: Why did rachel amber chose frank from chloe price ? wasnt she contented from their relationship? And did she made a relationship with jefferson aswell? Ive read something from the net that rachel was only using frank for an easy drug access, is this true? I would REALLY appreciate the answers although they may be opinions, i would glady accept them. this literally kept me awake the whole night. what a game this was. and thanks in advance
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Jeckenn Dec 25, 2018 @ 4:01pm 
Honestly, though I like Rachel, I think she used her friends and mostly that is all they were for, for her to use. I say "mostly" because I feel that Chloe was the ONLY one she actually had feelings for but those feelings were just not enough for her to choose one friend and stick with that decision, too bad for her really...
ozzyoscy Dec 25, 2018 @ 4:27pm 
She got with Frank for the drugs.

She might have liked Chloe more than most, but it was like she had ADHD or bipolar and would go from one new toy to the next and suddenly have a new idea and go 100% into it then abandon it just as quickly when something new came along.

She wasn't particularly considerate of anyone else's feelings, she was very self-centered and did what she had to to get a new buzz.
Last edited by ozzyoscy; Dec 25, 2018 @ 4:27pm
BOMBOCLAT Dec 25, 2018 @ 7:43pm 
I hate to think of this as a thing, but does this make Rachel as a manipulative s l u t ? (sorry for the word but i guess this would best suit her for my POV). I honestly like her, but i guess their relationship wasn't important in this story, what important is that Chloe was once more happy even for a short while... Ironic, rachel doesnt want lies yet she betrays the relationship with chole sigh.... This game was really a blast... Thank you two for answering, this made up my mind :possession:
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nihilistninja Dec 25, 2018 @ 11:19pm 
Despite however your playthrough of BtS may have gone, whether Chloe and Rachel hooked up or not in the game for you, that as LiS depicted them, Chloe and Rachel were really unlikely to have been in a relationship as of a considerable period of time before Rachel's disappearance.

The main piece of evidence for this is the letter Rachel was writing to Chloe that can be found abandoned in their hideout in the junkyard on LiS ep 2. I'll attach a link so you can re-read it:

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/life-is-strange/images/1/12/Note2-junkyard-letter2.png/revision/latest?cb=20161219182509

This letter obviously isn't from a Rachel who is cheating on Chloe trying to inform her soon-to-be-ex of her infedelity, it's Rachel worried that she has entered into an unhealthy relationship and thinks that Chloe will find it 'gross' and attempt to talk her out of it. Rachel also seems to believe that Chloe might be right to do so.

The important line is this one:

'I hate not sharing this with you except that I know that you'd give me that stink eye and grill me for every stupid detail.'

Rachel is obviously used to discussing her 'hook ups' with Chloe and expects a certain reaction from Chloe.

The LiS depiction of their relationship seems to be Chloe harbouring feelings for Rachel and Rachel not returning them, preferring the company of men and Chloe is left pining over her, stuck in the friend zone. If Chloe and Rachel were ever together than that relationship had ended amicably well before her disappearance and most likely pre-dates anything she had going on with Frank and Jefferson.

So from my point of view while Rachel certainly was doing a lot of questionable things behind Chloe's back, she didn't cheat on her.

Whether she cheated on Frank is an open question though, as Rachel seems to have discussed the relationship with Jefferson and given him the opinion that Rachel's interest in Frank was a short-lived bad boy phase, whereas her letters to Frank seem to demonstrate some level of emotional attatchment.

Frank doesn't seem to give the impression that Rachel had dumped him in the final converstaion Max has with him, he didn't think that their relationship was long term and expected Rachel to leave him but comments that he didn't expect it to happen the way it did. Which I tookto mean that he believed that Rachel would eventually dump him, not turn up dead as she did, meaning that from my interpretation Rachel was cheating on Frank with Jefferson.

So why was Rachel with Frank? Just to score drugs? Only Nathan seems to have the opinion that Rachel's only connection to Frank was his drug supply and even then he seemed to know the least of all what was going on between these two, all the other evidence seems to point to some sort of relationship beyond just using Frank, her letters, Jefferson's comments and Frank himself.

It seems more likely to me that Rachel had some sort of short lived feelings for Frank but was drawn to Jefferson more and probably only maintained a connection to Frank in the hope that he may decide to take her up on her request of getting her out of Arcadia Bay.
Vile Dec 26, 2018 @ 12:18am 
In both Lis and BTS My Max and Chloe were both straight and were only friends. Nothing against those that chose otherwise, but that is how I played the games. Interesting that the “Remember Me” choice of how to get Rachel to never forget about you had a poll. The highest one that was chosen most was with a kiss. The other two were getting a tattoo or Asking Rachel for her bracelet. The second highest ranked one was the bracelet and it was at 13%.

This is very bizarre when you think about how important the bracelet was to Chloe in the first game and so I chose that option.

Anyway, I don’t think that Rachel was manipulative, more like she had anger issues and she was naive. I think that she was with Frank cause of the party lifestyle. I believe she was drugged by Nathan and then brought to Jefferson, I don’t think either had anything going on.
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nihilistninja Dec 26, 2018 @ 2:06am 
Originally posted by Deadsea_1993:
In both Lis and BTS My Max and Chloe were both straight and were only friends. Nothing against those that chose otherwise, but that is how I played the games. Interesting that the “Remember Me” choice of how to get Rachel to never forget about you had a poll. The highest one that was chosen most was with a kiss. The other two were getting a tattoo or Asking Rachel for her bracelet. The second highest ranked one was the bracelet and it was at 13%.

Not to be contrary but we as players don't get to determine either Max or Chloe's sexuality in either game, no matter what choices we make.

No matter how you play LiS Chloe makes it clear that she is in love with Rachel on at least two occasions and Max has hints in her diary that her feelings towards Chloe aren't entirely platonic even if you don't persue any romance with her.

In BtS Chloe's letters mentions having some 'solo' time while fantasising about Priss from Bladerunner, when included with her statements regarding Rachel in LiS this is certainly a hint that she was at least curious even at that point in her life even if she doesn't act on it.

You can argue about exactly where Max and Chloe sit on the Kinsey Scale but neither of them are exactly straight.

Originally posted by Deadsea_1993:
Anyway, I don’t think that Rachel was manipulative, more like she had anger issues and she was naive. I think that she was with Frank cause of the party lifestyle. I believe she was drugged by Nathan and then brought to Jefferson, I don’t think either had anything going on.

Jefferson outright states that he and Rachel were involved and that he has pictures that prove it, Rachel has told Chloe that she is seeing someone new and there's a letter that Chloe never gets when she goes into more detail, devs have been on record stating that this mystery obsession of Rachel's was Jefferson, confirming his account to Max when he has her captive.

And Rachel isn't manipulative? Have you played either of the games? Go back and replay the scenes of Rachel trying to scam the wine from the picnicing couple or the meeting in Priciple Well's office in BtS. Or the way she gets Chloe to go along with her on multiple occasions.

In the lead up to her disappearance, LiS depicts Rachel as carrying out relationships with Frank and Jefferson, getting caught with controlled substances on campus and suspected of selling them, has at least three schemes to escape Arcadia Bay with three different people all the while maintaining her school grades, socialising with all of her classmates to the point that almost everyone has a story of her and simultaneously having friendships with both the town rebel/outcast and the psycho/rich kid.

Manipulative is one of Rachel's defining characteristics.

If you're of the opinion that she isn't malicious or Machiavelian in her manipulations then you might have an argument, but she sure as hell manipulates people in both her depictions.
Last edited by nihilistninja; Dec 26, 2018 @ 2:08am
Jeckenn Dec 26, 2018 @ 8:25am 
Honestly I think if Rachel could just meet the right person and really dedicate herself to that person she could save her own life and drop the drugs and become the person we all want her to be. That person might have been Chloe however I honestly think Max and Chloe were destined to be together so it wasn't a big deal for me when Rachel moved on from Chloe the way she did...
Deventh Dec 26, 2018 @ 10:21am 
Bad and inconsistent storytelling. The Rachel in BtS is not the same Rachel we see in the original game. I hate it so much. Right now I don't see the original game as canon.
Jeckenn Dec 26, 2018 @ 10:37am 
Originally posted by Deventh:
Bad and inconsistent storytelling. The Rachel in BtS is not the same Rachel we see in the original game. I hate it so much. Right now I don't see the original game as canon.

The thing is though we don't really know anything about Rachel Amber from the original game except what Chloe tells Max and that is very little indeed. So all we really know is she was a girl that Chloe became close friends with and not much else, so how is that inconsistent story telling?

All BtS does is it tells us more about Rachel Amber and really other then making her a hooker that works the streets is about one of the only ways they could have made it inconsistent story telling...
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nihilistninja Dec 26, 2018 @ 10:49am 
Originally posted by Deventh:
Bad and inconsistent storytelling. The Rachel in BtS is not the same Rachel we see in the original game. I hate it so much. Right now I don't see the original game as canon.

So the prequel is inconsistent with with the original game since it was unplanned and made by a different team without any input from the original writers of the series then LiS is the one you treat as non-canon?

I do my best to accept all opinions as at least valid, but if third-party entries to a series somehow make the original storytelling 'bad and inconsistent' retroactively then I think you have the wrong opinion. BtS would have never existed without the first game and any problems with Rachel's depiction could have only been introduced by Deck9, not her creators.

Personally, I treat BtS as Chloe retelling herr meeting with Rachel to Max in a post-Bae ending and then any inconsistencies are Chloe's faulty memories and unreliable narration. Problem solved.
ozzyoscy Dec 26, 2018 @ 12:11pm 
Originally posted by G McFckd:
I hate to think of this as a thing, but does this make Rachel as a manipulative slut?

Yes, but maybe not on purpose. She just has low attention span and was destined to burn out.

Originally posted by Deadsea_1993:
In both Lis and BTS My Max and Chloe were both straight and were only friends. Nothing against those that chose otherwise, but that is how I played the games. Interesting that the “Remember Me” choice of how to get Rachel to never forget about you had a poll. The highest one that was chosen most was with a kiss. The other two were getting a tattoo or Asking Rachel for her bracelet. The second highest ranked one was the bracelet and it was at 13%.

This is very bizarre when you think about how important the bracelet was to Chloe in the first game and so I chose that option.

Most likely that people didn't remember the bracelet. It's been a few years. Plus, despite the intense relationship and declarations of love and running off together, they hadn't even kissed yet, so it made Rachel look like she was BSing if she didn't kiss or hesitated.
kat Dec 26, 2018 @ 8:26pm 
neither were exactly gay either, i think because they were teenagers,
ozzyoscy Dec 26, 2018 @ 8:59pm 
My gaydar says Max is straight, Rachel was straight but tried girls because she was going through an 'alternative' phase as so many girls have done, and Chloe's bi (since she was hot for Mr Jefferson).
Vile Dec 27, 2018 @ 5:02am 
I treat Rachel as someone that is confused and that her emotions are her powers. The best friends with everyone could be multiple personality disorder that is combined with her powers.

We see this when she becomes a different person and challenges Damon and she also cussed out her parents which is out of behavior as stated by her mom and dad. I believe that the fire was under her control and when she is at ease about knowing that her dad wasn’t having an affair, the fire magically stopped. I don’t think it is coincidence. Believing that Max is basically the only super powered person in the series is very gullible. I mean I believe Chloe talking to her dad wasn’t really Dreams, especially when he sits with her during the rescue of Sera. The Pyramid Eye in the loading screen represents a third eye to me and that’s what I believed Chloe had.

I believe that Rachel started to lose control over her powers, same as Max and Chloe did and that caused problems for them all. That’s what got Rachel and then Chloe killed.

I’m aware that everyone has different takes on the games and that’s why some will choose Rachel or Chloe as Love interests, hence why I stated My Chloe and My Max.

I’d also like to note that I loved BTS more than the original series. It’s crazy to say, but I cannot lie. The depth of Rachel, the explanation of the New and improved Chloe with tattoos and blue hair, the writing, and the theater scene which took my heart away all made me love this game more. Nailing the theater scene and doing amazing improv was the most moving experience I’ve ever had in a game.
nihilistninja Dec 27, 2018 @ 1:03pm 
Originally posted by Deadsea_1993:
I treat Rachel as someone that is confused and that her emotions are her powers. The best friends with everyone could be multiple personality disorder that is combined with her powers.

We see this when she becomes a different person and challenges Damon and she also cussed out her parents which is out of behavior as stated by her mom and dad. I believe that the fire was under her control and when she is at ease about knowing that her dad wasn’t having an affair, the fire magically stopped. I don’t think it is coincidence. Believing that Max is basically the only super powered person in the series is very gullible. I mean I believe Chloe talking to her dad wasn’t really Dreams, especially when he sits with her during the rescue of Sera. The Pyramid Eye in the loading screen represents a third eye to me and that’s what I believed Chloe had.

I believe that Rachel started to lose control over her powers, same as Max and Chloe did and that caused problems for them all. That’s what got Rachel and then Chloe killed.

Did you really just delete and re-post this? I’m entirely certain I read this exact post yesterday.

There’s little evidence Rachel had powers, none that Chloe had any and nothing even hinting that Rachel had multiple personality disorder.

Mental issues don’t work the way you seem to think they do and a character behaving differently from previous depictions under stressful or emotional circumstances isn’t evidence that they ‘became a different person.’ Almost everyone has some sort of social segregation of their behaviours, the way you act with good friends is different from acquaintances is different from family for instance. Rachel just seems to be on the far end of some bell-curve in displaying this sort of behaviour, it’s not that she has a different personality that subsumed her every time she interacts with someone different.

Rachel is depicted as someone good a playing the roles that best integrate her into people’s lives. Jefferson describes Rachel as a ‘social chameleon’, someone who excels at taking on the behaviours that best suit the social environment she is in at any given time.

Rachel is an actor, not suffering multiple personality disorder.

Rachel didn’t die due to losing control of her powers. She died due to Jefferson’s influence on Nathan and Nathan’s desire to replicate Jefferson’s work with Rachel as a subject and his ineptitude in handling the drugs.
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