Install Steam
login
|
language
简体中文 (Simplified Chinese)
繁體中文 (Traditional Chinese)
日本語 (Japanese)
한국어 (Korean)
ไทย (Thai)
Български (Bulgarian)
Čeština (Czech)
Dansk (Danish)
Deutsch (German)
Español - España (Spanish - Spain)
Español - Latinoamérica (Spanish - Latin America)
Ελληνικά (Greek)
Français (French)
Italiano (Italian)
Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian)
Magyar (Hungarian)
Nederlands (Dutch)
Norsk (Norwegian)
Polski (Polish)
Português (Portuguese - Portugal)
Português - Brasil (Portuguese - Brazil)
Română (Romanian)
Русский (Russian)
Suomi (Finnish)
Svenska (Swedish)
Türkçe (Turkish)
Tiếng Việt (Vietnamese)
Українська (Ukrainian)
Report a translation problem
She might have liked Chloe more than most, but it was like she had ADHD or bipolar and would go from one new toy to the next and suddenly have a new idea and go 100% into it then abandon it just as quickly when something new came along.
She wasn't particularly considerate of anyone else's feelings, she was very self-centered and did what she had to to get a new buzz.
The main piece of evidence for this is the letter Rachel was writing to Chloe that can be found abandoned in their hideout in the junkyard on LiS ep 2. I'll attach a link so you can re-read it:
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/life-is-strange/images/1/12/Note2-junkyard-letter2.png/revision/latest?cb=20161219182509
This letter obviously isn't from a Rachel who is cheating on Chloe trying to inform her soon-to-be-ex of her infedelity, it's Rachel worried that she has entered into an unhealthy relationship and thinks that Chloe will find it 'gross' and attempt to talk her out of it. Rachel also seems to believe that Chloe might be right to do so.
The important line is this one:
'I hate not sharing this with you except that I know that you'd give me that stink eye and grill me for every stupid detail.'
Rachel is obviously used to discussing her 'hook ups' with Chloe and expects a certain reaction from Chloe.
The LiS depiction of their relationship seems to be Chloe harbouring feelings for Rachel and Rachel not returning them, preferring the company of men and Chloe is left pining over her, stuck in the friend zone. If Chloe and Rachel were ever together than that relationship had ended amicably well before her disappearance and most likely pre-dates anything she had going on with Frank and Jefferson.
So from my point of view while Rachel certainly was doing a lot of questionable things behind Chloe's back, she didn't cheat on her.
Whether she cheated on Frank is an open question though, as Rachel seems to have discussed the relationship with Jefferson and given him the opinion that Rachel's interest in Frank was a short-lived bad boy phase, whereas her letters to Frank seem to demonstrate some level of emotional attatchment.
Frank doesn't seem to give the impression that Rachel had dumped him in the final converstaion Max has with him, he didn't think that their relationship was long term and expected Rachel to leave him but comments that he didn't expect it to happen the way it did. Which I tookto mean that he believed that Rachel would eventually dump him, not turn up dead as she did, meaning that from my interpretation Rachel was cheating on Frank with Jefferson.
So why was Rachel with Frank? Just to score drugs? Only Nathan seems to have the opinion that Rachel's only connection to Frank was his drug supply and even then he seemed to know the least of all what was going on between these two, all the other evidence seems to point to some sort of relationship beyond just using Frank, her letters, Jefferson's comments and Frank himself.
It seems more likely to me that Rachel had some sort of short lived feelings for Frank but was drawn to Jefferson more and probably only maintained a connection to Frank in the hope that he may decide to take her up on her request of getting her out of Arcadia Bay.
This is very bizarre when you think about how important the bracelet was to Chloe in the first game and so I chose that option.
Anyway, I don’t think that Rachel was manipulative, more like she had anger issues and she was naive. I think that she was with Frank cause of the party lifestyle. I believe she was drugged by Nathan and then brought to Jefferson, I don’t think either had anything going on.
Not to be contrary but we as players don't get to determine either Max or Chloe's sexuality in either game, no matter what choices we make.
No matter how you play LiS Chloe makes it clear that she is in love with Rachel on at least two occasions and Max has hints in her diary that her feelings towards Chloe aren't entirely platonic even if you don't persue any romance with her.
In BtS Chloe's letters mentions having some 'solo' time while fantasising about Priss from Bladerunner, when included with her statements regarding Rachel in LiS this is certainly a hint that she was at least curious even at that point in her life even if she doesn't act on it.
You can argue about exactly where Max and Chloe sit on the Kinsey Scale but neither of them are exactly straight.
Jefferson outright states that he and Rachel were involved and that he has pictures that prove it, Rachel has told Chloe that she is seeing someone new and there's a letter that Chloe never gets when she goes into more detail, devs have been on record stating that this mystery obsession of Rachel's was Jefferson, confirming his account to Max when he has her captive.
And Rachel isn't manipulative? Have you played either of the games? Go back and replay the scenes of Rachel trying to scam the wine from the picnicing couple or the meeting in Priciple Well's office in BtS. Or the way she gets Chloe to go along with her on multiple occasions.
In the lead up to her disappearance, LiS depicts Rachel as carrying out relationships with Frank and Jefferson, getting caught with controlled substances on campus and suspected of selling them, has at least three schemes to escape Arcadia Bay with three different people all the while maintaining her school grades, socialising with all of her classmates to the point that almost everyone has a story of her and simultaneously having friendships with both the town rebel/outcast and the psycho/rich kid.
Manipulative is one of Rachel's defining characteristics.
If you're of the opinion that she isn't malicious or Machiavelian in her manipulations then you might have an argument, but she sure as hell manipulates people in both her depictions.
The thing is though we don't really know anything about Rachel Amber from the original game except what Chloe tells Max and that is very little indeed. So all we really know is she was a girl that Chloe became close friends with and not much else, so how is that inconsistent story telling?
All BtS does is it tells us more about Rachel Amber and really other then making her a hooker that works the streets is about one of the only ways they could have made it inconsistent story telling...
So the prequel is inconsistent with with the original game since it was unplanned and made by a different team without any input from the original writers of the series then LiS is the one you treat as non-canon?
I do my best to accept all opinions as at least valid, but if third-party entries to a series somehow make the original storytelling 'bad and inconsistent' retroactively then I think you have the wrong opinion. BtS would have never existed without the first game and any problems with Rachel's depiction could have only been introduced by Deck9, not her creators.
Personally, I treat BtS as Chloe retelling herr meeting with Rachel to Max in a post-Bae ending and then any inconsistencies are Chloe's faulty memories and unreliable narration. Problem solved.
Yes, but maybe not on purpose. She just has low attention span and was destined to burn out.
Most likely that people didn't remember the bracelet. It's been a few years. Plus, despite the intense relationship and declarations of love and running off together, they hadn't even kissed yet, so it made Rachel look like she was BSing if she didn't kiss or hesitated.
We see this when she becomes a different person and challenges Damon and she also cussed out her parents which is out of behavior as stated by her mom and dad. I believe that the fire was under her control and when she is at ease about knowing that her dad wasn’t having an affair, the fire magically stopped. I don’t think it is coincidence. Believing that Max is basically the only super powered person in the series is very gullible. I mean I believe Chloe talking to her dad wasn’t really Dreams, especially when he sits with her during the rescue of Sera. The Pyramid Eye in the loading screen represents a third eye to me and that’s what I believed Chloe had.
I believe that Rachel started to lose control over her powers, same as Max and Chloe did and that caused problems for them all. That’s what got Rachel and then Chloe killed.
I’m aware that everyone has different takes on the games and that’s why some will choose Rachel or Chloe as Love interests, hence why I stated My Chloe and My Max.
I’d also like to note that I loved BTS more than the original series. It’s crazy to say, but I cannot lie. The depth of Rachel, the explanation of the New and improved Chloe with tattoos and blue hair, the writing, and the theater scene which took my heart away all made me love this game more. Nailing the theater scene and doing amazing improv was the most moving experience I’ve ever had in a game.
Did you really just delete and re-post this? I’m entirely certain I read this exact post yesterday.
There’s little evidence Rachel had powers, none that Chloe had any and nothing even hinting that Rachel had multiple personality disorder.
Mental issues don’t work the way you seem to think they do and a character behaving differently from previous depictions under stressful or emotional circumstances isn’t evidence that they ‘became a different person.’ Almost everyone has some sort of social segregation of their behaviours, the way you act with good friends is different from acquaintances is different from family for instance. Rachel just seems to be on the far end of some bell-curve in displaying this sort of behaviour, it’s not that she has a different personality that subsumed her every time she interacts with someone different.
Rachel is depicted as someone good a playing the roles that best integrate her into people’s lives. Jefferson describes Rachel as a ‘social chameleon’, someone who excels at taking on the behaviours that best suit the social environment she is in at any given time.
Rachel is an actor, not suffering multiple personality disorder.
Rachel didn’t die due to losing control of her powers. She died due to Jefferson’s influence on Nathan and Nathan’s desire to replicate Jefferson’s work with Rachel as a subject and his ineptitude in handling the drugs.