This is the conclusion I've reached about Eliot and Chloe... (Beware the spoilers...)

[themysterioustraveller008]

Eliot was in the game to demonstrate that refusing to leave the past behind will only destroy us in the long run.

In her last diary entry of the game, Chloe tells Max that the time has come to say goodbye because she's realized she can't live in the past anymore. It's worth pointing out that this epiphany comes after she narrowly escaped the clutches of a guy whose pathetically desperate refusal to say goodbye to a dead relationship turned him into a stalker and ultimately caused him to ruin his own life.

Joyce said it best: the most beautiful gift you can give another person is a collection of wonderful memories. What Eliot's meltdown did was permanently tarnish the memories he shared with Chloe. Whenever the thought of him flits across her mind, she's not going to smile with affection and wonder how her old friend's doing. She's going to shudder as a chill runs down her spine and hope to God that she never sees his face again. He's gone from being the lovable dork she once danced with at a concert to the hulking brute who made her fear for her life in James Amber's study.

Eliot's dead in Chloe's heart.

And that's why Chloe decides she must let go of Max. Because she wants to protect the precious memories they share. Keep them pure and true rather than let bitterness rob them of their value. Like the photographs Max took of them both in those golden days before her innocence was lost forever, the memories will always be there for Chloe to cherish but for now, she must put them away in the drawer and plant her feet firmly in the here and now.

What say you, my fellow graduates of Blackwell Academy?

[Eugene]

That's one way to look at Eliot. I don't think that he's living in the past. More like he cares about Chloe. Yes, maybe he cares too much (like Rachel's father), but he's a good person and tries to make Chloe forget about her ♥♥♥♥♥♥ life, even for a minute. More so he always says that she can count on him. Does Rachel said anything like this ever? Nope.

Think about what Eliot said to Chloe during his meltdown. Was he wrong? No. He was absolutely right about Rachel. Yet Chloe didn't want to listen. Basically, Chloe makes her own life ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ making wrong decisions here and there and blaming David and Joyce for it.

[themysterioustraveller008]

While I'm aware that he's convinced himself he's being a caring friend towards Chloe, the reality of the situation is so far removed from his personal fantasy of being Chloe's knight in shining armor that he might as well be in Narnia. The truth is that he and Chloe have drifted apart over the years and are barely even friends anymore. Look at the conversations she has with him throughout the game and then compare them to those she has with the rest of her classmates. When Chloe and Eliot talk, it's always a brief and supremely awkward conversation. She feels more comfortable talking to EVAN of all people than Eliot.

When it comes to the accusations of wrong-doing he hurls at Rachel, I'm sorry but he's way out of line. Yes, we know that Rachel will wind up cheating on Chloe with Frank down the line. But he doesn't know that. He's just fishing for excuses to try and bully Chloe into staying away from Rachel so he can have her all for himself.

What you need to realize is that not even RACHEL knew what the future held. When she offered to run away from Arcadia Bay with Chloe so that they could be together forever, she absolutely meant it. At the time. But things change and her feelings for Chloe turned out to be a poignant example of that.

You say that Chloe refuses to hear Eliot's dire warnings about Rachel but did she really? I have to disagree. Watch their showdown in the study carefully and you'll see that far from blowing him off, Chloe tries to reason with Eliot, make him see why the stuff he's saying is just plain wrong. Moreover, Eliot's the one who won't listen to a word she says. He never really gives himself the chance to think about what Chloe's telling him. He constantly interrupts her because her answers aren't what he wants to hear.

All his effort goes into demonizing Rachel because he wants Chloe to be his girlfriend and in his eyes, Rachel's stopping that from happening. Never mind the fact that Chloe was flat-out uninterested in him long before Rachel came along.

As for the poor life choices Chloe makes, what you need to keep in mind is that she was ditching school and hanging out with shady characters for a long time. Yet her rebellious behavior never seemed to strike Eliot as a problem she should overcome until Rachel became involved in her life. Whether you agree or think he was full of it, his accusations of Rachel ruining Chloe's life are little more than a way for him to try and regain the close friendship he feels Rachel has stolen from him.

Oh and for the record, Rachel doesn't need to tell Chloe that she's there for her. Rachel proves she cares by having Chloe's back in every episode.

[Eugene]

I must admit you have a point. I can't argue with this. But still who laughs last? Eliot! Because he's alive at least while Rachel and Chloe... well, hell's not empty anymore, is it? :D

To be fair, Eliot did try to change Chloe's rebellious behavior. it looks like he invited her to various school events in a hope that she will kiss him start taking school seriously. Didn't happen, Chloe was too stubborn or Eliot was too f**king awkward to make a move on Chloe.

I don't actually remember was it ever mentioned in the game that Chloe and Eliot dated and broke up or anything like that? I don't think so. So Chloe is guilty too. You need to be blind not to see how desperate Eliot was at times.

It's quite sad that Chloe didn't choose Eliot, she could have a happy normal life... So the moral of the story is: "Make good life choices, or you wil end up like Chloe Price" (sorry, i'm in a jerk mode right now :D)

[bossmanham]

Originally posted by Mumby:

I must admit you have a point. I can't argue with this. But still who laughs last? Eliot! Because he's alive at least while Rachel and Chloe... well, hell's not empty anymore, is it? :D

To be fair, Eliot did try to change Chloe's rebellious behavior. it looks like he invited her to various school events in a hope that she will kiss him start taking school seriously. Didn't happen, Chloe was too stubborn or Eliot was too f**king awkward to make a move on Chloe.

I don't actually remember was it ever mentioned in the game that Chloe and Eliot dated and broke up or anything like that? I don't think so. So Chloe is guilty too. You need to be blind not to see how desperate Eliot was at times.

It's quite sad that Chloe didn't choose Eliot, she could have a happy normal life... So the moral of the story is: "Make good life choices, or you wil end up like Chloe Price" (sorry, i'm in a jerk mode right now :D)

It's true though. Chloe is a kind of an awful person who makes awful decisions all the time. Basically the best thing she did was sacrifice herself for Arcadia Bay, and that's only up to the player's choice.

[Eugene]

Originally posted by bossmanham:

It's true though. Chloe is a kind of an awful person who makes awful decisions all the time. Basically the best thing she did was sacrifice herself for Arcadia Bay, and that's only up to the player's choice.

Yep! The final choice in Ep.5 is so bizarre. To put it mildly (well, she's not completely awful) Chloe is not a person you really want to deal with or have anything in real life. So why would I sacrifice a whole town just to save someone who... well, probably going to die young anyway either from drugs, unsafe driving or just playing with a gun.

[Jeckenn]

Honestly I think maybe at some point Chloe had some feelings for Eliot however she figured out that she likes girls not boys and any feelings she had for Eliot went away when that happened. At Chloe's age she is still trying to figure out her own sexuality and when that happens, and she knows it, all feelings for Eliot are gone. Eliot does not accept that Chloe likes girls, not boys and still tries to persue her which is a complete and total waste of his time at that point and because he can't accept it he then starts to forcibly persue her, which is a very bad thing....

[themysterioustraveller008]

Originally posted by Mumby:

I must admit you have a point. I can't argue with this. But still who laughs last? Eliot! Because he's alive at least while Rachel and Chloe... well, hell's not empty anymore, is it? :D

To be fair, Eliot did try to change Chloe's rebellious behavior. it looks like he invited her to various school events in a hope that she will kiss him start taking school seriously. Didn't happen, Chloe was too stubborn or Eliot was too f**king awkward to make a move on Chloe.

I don't actually remember was it ever mentioned in the game that Chloe and Eliot dated and broke up or anything like that? I don't think so. So Chloe is guilty too. You need to be blind not to see how desperate Eliot was at times.

It's quite sad that Chloe didn't choose Eliot, she could have a happy normal life... So the moral of the story is: "Make good life choices, or you wil end up like Chloe Price" (sorry, i'm in a jerk mode right now :D)

I'm not a particularly religious man but it seems to me that Hell will always have a place for a violent stalker who laughs upon hearing about the death of a girl he once claimed to care for. And a winner is just about the last thing I'd call Eliot. The guy got expelled from school after breaking into the DA's house. Good luck getting into a reputable school or finding decent employment after that! Chloe back-talked him into oblivion!

If anything, Eliot was encouraging Chloe's bad behavior. When he asked her to watch the school play with him, he undercut the invitation by sneering that it was bound to be crap and they could make fun of the kids performing in it. When Chloe not only gets roped into the play but has the time of her life as she acts her heart out on stage, Eliot should be happy for her. But he's not. All he gives a damn about is that Rachel was the person who got her involved.

Chloe mentions losing her virginity to Eliot last summer and although it meant nothing to her, it seems to have convinced Eliot that she now belongs to him. And having marked his territory, he has the right to make Rachel stay away. Basically, he's deluded himself into thinking that sex with Chloe makes her the Ramona Flowers to his Scott Pilgrim. And while SP is a hoot to read, I wouldn't recommend treating it as the dummy's guide for how you should court women.

Whatever your opinion of Chloe may be, I highly doubt that Eliot's own life choices brought him to a cheerier fate than her. Based on his actions in the study, he's on the path to becoming a man who kills his wife in the heat of an argument.

[Eugene]

Originally posted by themysterioustraveller008:

Originally posted by Mumby:

I must admit you have a point. I can't argue with this. But still who laughs last? Eliot! Because he's alive at least while Rachel and Chloe... well, hell's not empty anymore, is it? :D

To be fair, Eliot did try to change Chloe's rebellious behavior. it looks like he invited her to various school events in a hope that she will kiss him start taking school seriously. Didn't happen, Chloe was too stubborn or Eliot was too f**king awkward to make a move on Chloe.

I don't actually remember was it ever mentioned in the game that Chloe and Eliot dated and broke up or anything like that? I don't think so. So Chloe is guilty too. You need to be blind not to see how desperate Eliot was at times.

It's quite sad that Chloe didn't choose Eliot, she could have a happy normal life... So the moral of the story is: "Make good life choices, or you wil end up like Chloe Price" (sorry, i'm in a jerk mode right now :D)

I'm not a particularly religious man but it seems to me that Hell will always have a place for a violent stalker who laughs upon hearing about the death of a girl he once claimed to care for. And a winner is just about the last thing I'd call Eliot. The guy got expelled from school after breaking into the DA's house. Good luck getting into a reputable school or finding decent employment after that! Chloe back-talked him into oblivion!

If anything, Eliot was encouraging Chloe's bad behavior. When he asked her to watch the school play with him, he undercut the invitation by sneering that it was bound to be crap and they could make fun of the kids performing in it. When Chloe not only gets roped into the play but has the time of her life as she acts her heart out on stage, Eliot should be happy for her. But he's not. All he gives a damn about is that Rachel was the person who got her involved.

Chloe mentions losing her virginity to Eliot last summer and although it meant nothing to her, it seems to have convinced Eliot that she now belongs to him. And having marked his territory, he has the right to make Rachel stay away. Basically, he's deluded himself into thinking that sex with Chloe makes her the Ramona Flowers to his Scott Pilgrim. And while SP is a hoot to read, I wouldn't recommend treating it as the dummy's guide for how you should court women.

Whatever your opinion of Chloe may be, I highly doubt that Eliot's own life choices brought him to a cheerier fate than her. Based on his actions in the study, he's on the path to becoming a man who kills his wife in the heat of an argument.

There's a big difference here. As you said, Eliot was only encouraging Chloe's bad behavior. Deep inside he really wants her to stop fooling around, it's just that he don't have balls to tell her that or just smack her, since words no longer have an effect on Chloe (see: Joyce, David, Principal Wells, etc). Sometimes you need to be punished for being an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Sadly, no one punished Chloe ever. Only David started doing it, but immediately got a nickname "step-douche". By D&D rules Eliot is a lawful neutral character.

On the other hand we have... Rachel who makes Chloe do illegal ♥♥♥♥ just for kicks. She's a chaotic evil character! Seriously, who would you choose?.. Eliot was the best choice for Chloe. But she didn't listen to reason and ended up pretty much dead. In my eyes being alive is far cooler than being dead, so Eliot is a winner here :D

[themysterioustraveller008]

Deep inside, what Eliot wanted was to isolate Chloe from other people so she would have no-one to turn to but him. Whether she was still at Blackwell or expelled meant nothing to him just so long as he got what he wanted from the situation. He only calls her out for her rebellious ways when Rachel becomes her partner in crime and he's left out in the cold, bitterly aware that the only boob he's going to be touching tonight...is himself. Hypocrisy in its purest form.

No teenage girl needs to be slapped because she was caught with a joint. When the so-called punishment is more vile than the offense which brought it on, it can hardly be considered a punishment and being given a rude nickname is the least a grown man deserves for doing that to his stepdaughter. No matter faults he perceives her guilty of, is David giving Chloe a genuine reason to hate him via domestic abuse really supposed to help the situation?

The situation isn't a question of whether Rachel or Eliot would be the better partner for Chloe. For the record, it's Rachel. But even if she genuinely was the bad influence Eliot would have Chloe believe, no sane person would urge Chloe to settle for her stalker. A person who cared for her would want her to get the hell away from them both. The lesser of two evils is still evil and even if Eliot's accusations against Rachel were founded in truth, he himself would still be the nasty piece of work he's proven to be by the game's conclusion.

[Eugene]

But at least Eliot is sincere when he finally says (during meltdown) what he really thinks. "Chloe, you're heading down a dark path! Rachel is not a good influence on you, etc". Seriously, Eliot's meltdown is one of the best things that happened in Chloe's life... and yet she completely ignored it.

Now about drugs. Chloe is an addict, she can't live without a joint. Do you think words can help her? Nope. Only a good old slap in the face and army discipline will do something for her. Maybe, she will hate David for the rest of her life. But what If it's the only option left? As I said, sometimes there are moments in our life when words no longer have an effect our loved ones. David (with his army methods, like it or not) is a good influence on Chloe for sure. He is the best dad for such a problem child.

And hey, Eliot is not a stalker by any means. He just wants Chloe to wake up and realize that she is ruining her own life. In a way Eliot is a Saviour for Chloe, while Rachel is a Devil. But thanks to Mr. Jefferson and Nathan Prescott the devil was sent back to hell :D (again, i'm sorry for being too cynical about Rachel's fate, i just can't help it!)

[themysterioustraveller008]

Even if Chloe was on a downward spiral, the fact that Eliot was okay with it until Rachel came along makes his warnings in the study ring hollow. And besides, who would listen to a young man who refused to leave them alone and even assaulted them?

A grown man hitting his stepdaughter is never an option for dealing with anything. It's a crime and a perfectly good reason for his wife to divorce him and get him sent to jail. The law says so and my moral compass agrees. David's not fit to be a father figure for a well-behaved young woman much less one whose life has spiraled out of control and this is an epiphany he comes to in the last episode of Life Is Strange when he and his wife agree to family therapy.

Not only is Eliot the textbook definition of a stalker, he's also the human equivalent of a leech who takes advantage of Chloe when William's death and Max moving to Seattle both put her in a bad place. When she starts moving out of it with Rachel's help and he's forced to realize that he won't be getting any more of that sweet blood from this depressed and traumatized girl, he turns on her and she's forced to squash him like the parasite he is.

[Ogami]

Originally posted by Mumby:

And hey, Eliot is not a stalker by any means.

He is the textbook definition of a stalker. If you think his actions are in any way "normal" then that says way more about you then about Elliot.

[Eugene]

No-no-no! If anything it's Rachel who is trying to suck that precious Chloe's blood. Eliot didn't do nothing wrong! He was a great student of Blackwell Academy~! He tried to do everything he could for Chloe, he even risked his life going after her to DA's house. And all he got from you for all troubles is this "stalker" label on his past, present and future deeds. He's a true Saviour indeed. He was wrongly acussed for trying to do a miracle - save Chloe from herself.

Family therapy is a joke for Chloe. Imagine her laughing and joking when psychologist says that she's insecure and aggresive. It won't change a damn thing. Only a good slap (preferably from Joyce) will make Chloe rethink all her s*h*itty life decisions.

Originally posted by Ogami:

Originally posted by Mumby:

And hey, Eliot is not a stalker by any means.

He is the textbook definition of a stalker. If you think his actions are in any way "normal" then that says way more about you then about Elliot.

Don't judge, man!

[themysterioustraveller008]

I'm gonna have to leave this one where it lies. Stalking, domestic violence and drugging girls for the purpose of kidnapping and murdering them aren't subjects for comedy.

[Eugene]

Okay, let’s get serious then!

Originally posted by themysterioustraveller008:

Stalking

First, who is Eliot? Seriously, who? He’s a… teenager who has feelings for Chloe. No, not just feelings or anything like that. Chloe is his first love. Love between teenagers is always awkward, unpredictable, violent, egoistical and, let’s say, crazy in a lot of ways. You can say that Eliot may act like a stalker, but I assure you he’s not a stalker by any means. It’s just that crazy first love kicking in his head. You can’t forget it if you’ve experienced it once. His actions are not something that makes him a criminal. He’s just… a teenager that found his first love. In his twenties he will be laughing remembering it… how he wanted to date that blue-haired drug addict.

Originally posted by themysterioustraveller008:

domestic violence

Okay, domestic violence is bad. Family therapy is a joke. Then there are not a lot of options left to help Chloe change her behavior. Joyce can either put Chloe in narcological dispensary or psychiatric hospital, cause seeing dad everywhere and talking to him is definitely not normal. Chloe is a psycho and society needs to be protected from her. On the other hand, maybe Chloe will find a way out… in a jail when police officer will arrest her for stealing/taking drugs/ driving under the influence of narcotics/etc.

Originally posted by themysterioustraveller008:

drugging girls for the purpose of kidnapping and murdering

As a devil's advocate, I will say that Mr. Jefferson didn’t do nothing wrong. He was a good guy, maybe a little bit eccentric and cynical. It’s Nathan who f*u*cked up and killed Rachel.

Originally posted by themysterioustraveller008:

aren't subjects for comedy.

Have you read any works by Shakespeare? There’s ALWAYS a place for comedy even in the most tragic stories.