Life is Strange: Before the Storm

Life is Strange: Before the Storm

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ka1k0 Jan 6, 2018 @ 3:11pm
*SPOILERS* Why would Rachel start a romantic relationship with Frank?
At the end of episode three (of BTS) you see how happy Chloe and Rachel were together.
After seeing this, I remembered that in the first game it was mentioned that Rachel had a romantic relationship with Frank. In this context, this seems weird...

Why would Rachel cheat on Chloe?

Is there an inconsistency in the story or did I just miss something?
(I played the first game in 2015, so it is possible that I did forget something)

What are your thoughts?
Last edited by ka1k0; Jan 6, 2018 @ 3:11pm
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Tzunny Jan 6, 2018 @ 3:13pm 
I think that this is all we know from Rachel side:
http://i.imgur.com/0f9UIFB.jpg
While Frank had the pics & other stuffs, memories with Rachel as we seen in the 1st game.
Last edited by Tzunny; Jan 6, 2018 @ 3:16pm
ka1k0 Jan 6, 2018 @ 3:19pm 
Originally posted by Tzunny:
I think that this is all we know from Rachel side:
http://i.imgur.com/0f9UIFB.jpg

Thanks for the answer! Where did you find it? In the first game?

That seems to be the answer the game gives. Still, I am still not really convinced about all this because it just seems like a total contrast to this last scene, but maybe that's just me.
Deusuum Jan 6, 2018 @ 3:26pm 
Several years pass after that scene. Also, love works in mysterious ways. Rachel could have feelings for all, such were her heart and mind.
Dixon Cider Jan 6, 2018 @ 3:31pm 
Originally posted by Tzunny:
I think that this is all we know from Rachel side:
http://i.imgur.com/0f9UIFB.jpg
While Frank had the pics & other stuffs, memories with Rachel as we seen in the 1st game.

The devs confirmed that this is actually about Jefferson, not Frank.
ka1k0 Jan 6, 2018 @ 3:35pm 
Originally posted by Tzunny:
I think that this is all we know from Rachel side:
http://i.imgur.com/0f9UIFB.jpg
While Frank had the pics & other stuffs, memories with Rachel as we seen in the 1st game.

The devs confirmed that this is actually about Jefferson, not Frank.

That means that all assumptions are welcome now.
mcramer451 Jan 6, 2018 @ 3:36pm 
Originally posted by Tzunny:
I think that this is all we know from Rachel side:
http://i.imgur.com/0f9UIFB.jpg
While Frank had the pics & other stuffs, memories with Rachel as we seen in the 1st game.

The devs confirmed that this is actually about Jefferson, not Frank.


Yea they did in a livestream i ahve yet to find and listen to myself. Even thoguh the letter doesnt fit Jefferson, the devs said it was about him.

To answer the OP question - there is a postcard from Rachel to Chloe from when she took a trip to Oergon, then theres those pics of her driving Franks van. My personal theory is thats when they hooked up - prob drugs had a part, and thats when he got Rachels bracelet. Its pretty plain it wasnt going to last since they broke up after they fought when Frank went into a drug rage. It also plain Chloe didnt know about it from her reaction...i tihnk it was just a mistake on R's part
Tzunny Jan 6, 2018 @ 4:07pm 
Originally posted by Tzunny:
I think that this is all we know from Rachel side:
http://i.imgur.com/0f9UIFB.jpg
While Frank had the pics & other stuffs, memories with Rachel as we seen in the 1st game.

The devs confirmed that this is actually about Jefferson, not Frank.
Proof link?

Originally posted by .ka1ko™:
Originally posted by Tzunny:
I think that this is all we know from Rachel side:
http://i.imgur.com/0f9UIFB.jpg

Thanks for the answer! Where did you find it? In the first game?

That seems to be the answer the game gives. Still, I am still not really convinced about all this because it just seems like a total contrast to this last scene, but maybe that's just me.
It's the letter from Rachel that we find at the junkyard (in the 1st game), she never gave it to Chloe & we find it with Max. Had this link with pic saved for some time now & was know exactly what to post, sadly i don't know if the dude above me is right or not, waiting for the proof video, but at 1st looks like is about Frank more when we discover that she was a lot with him from Frank and his RV.
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mcramer451 Jan 6, 2018 @ 4:20pm 
If you mean proof link like a link to the livestream - im still looking for the complete link. I've heard that they conformed she was in love with him and the letter (although imho doesnt fit him) was about jefferson.

I'll post it if i find it....
Jeckenn Jan 6, 2018 @ 4:33pm 
Rachel Amber wanted out of Arcadia Bay, that was pretty obvious because pretty much when ever she was in the game she would mention it at some point. So she started the relationship with Frank because she saw him as being able to get her out of town and for what ever reason she saw that he would have a better chance of getting out then Chloe would.

That's the way I saw it, she started ALL of her relationships because she wanted someone to help her with getting out of Arcadia Bay. So none of them were about love and in each case they were just a means to an end for her, and that end is she gets out of town.
Schnizer Jan 6, 2018 @ 4:56pm 
Originally posted by Jeckenn:
Rachel Amber wanted out of Arcadia Bay, that was pretty obvious because pretty much when ever she was in the game she would mention it at some point. So she started the relationship with Frank because she saw him as being able to get her out of town and for what ever reason she saw that he would have a better chance of getting out then Chloe would.

That's the way I saw it, she started ALL of her relationships because she wanted someone to help her with getting out of Arcadia Bay. So none of them were about love and in each case they were just a means to an end for her, and that end is she gets out of town.

I think Rachel relationship with Chloe with genuine, at least for the length of BtS. May of grown stagnant though over the years. THIS IS WHY WE NEED A BTS 2! So many unanswered questions! It seemed like at the end of the game that they were going to get out of Arcadia Bay together. Chloe fixed up the car, Rachel said she had "hush" money from her dad, so I don't see why they didn't. Something after the game kept one, or both of them there. What it is exactly is never explained. Maybe Chloe did it for Joyce, maybe Rachel for Blackwell (it's pretty clear she was a student there up until her disappearance). The true answer is currently not known.

The Frank thing is an entirely different plot twist altogether! Game is somewhat vague about how that relationship occurred too and how Chloe didn't even know.
Tzunny Jan 6, 2018 @ 5:28pm 
Originally posted by Schnizer:
The Frank thing is an entirely different plot twist altogether! Game is somewhat vague about how that relationship occurred too and how Chloe didn't even know.
Well, maybe not even the writters know what is going on there.
Maybe them relation got "colder" with time, it happens, i mean that Rachel was still in school while Chloe had all the free time from the world. I assume they would meet after the classes but not everyday & for sure they not stay together the rest of the time. So there are days & days like in everyone life, Rachel was meet others while Chloe as well was hang out with others to. Frank is a cool character, can easy like him once you know him & he allow you to get close to him. We can see that he is easy getting his cold moments in almost every discussion and maybe only Rachel know how to "play" him... as she did with Chloe maybe (it's harsh but part of this is true) :LIS_poker_face:
Let's hope for new episodes added as dlc or extra prequel series.
ka1k0 Jan 6, 2018 @ 5:57pm 
Originally posted by Jeckenn:
Rachel Amber wanted out of Arcadia Bay, that was pretty obvious because pretty much when ever she was in the game she would mention it at some point. So she started the relationship with Frank because she saw him as being able to get her out of town and for what ever reason she saw that he would have a better chance of getting out then Chloe would.

That's the way I saw it, she started ALL of her relationships because she wanted someone to help her with getting out of Arcadia Bay. So none of them were about love and in each case they were just a means to an end for her, and that end is she gets out of town.

I see what you are saying, but this seems like you have a bad opinion of Rachel.
Of course, it could be exactly how you are saying, but in bts she seemed like a real and honest character (at least in my opinion).
Lazydrones Jan 6, 2018 @ 6:00pm 
1. So The thing about jefferson is "Rachel fell madly in love with him" - supposedly - I dont believe jefferson actually understood the complexity of Rachel just as most of the characters did not either.. I believe she was more of - "jumping to the next exciting adventure" and Jefferson was most definitely that, as he had the experience of working with models in the photography business. However that being said, he is able to hide his intentions well.

2. Nathan Prescott - admits that Rachel partied harder than any of them and that she was more into Frank for his access to drugs and his willingness to abide his "crush" on her. As is evident in Rachel's relationships with people falling for her personality, manipulative as it may be.

3. There was probably also some realisation of a relationship between the two (Frank and Rachel), from "Sera (and Chloe) being saved by Frank, from Damon" at the end of BtS. Whether you choose to tell her this or not, Frank could potentially, at some point, relay these events at some point, perhaps mixing Rachel into a "savior complex", at least temporarily. Or Rachel somehow puts such things together, hence her raltionship with Frank to get the history of her mother with Damon during the events of BtS... Maybe.

4. Rachel does seem to manipulate poeple into getting what she wants fairly successfully and may have disillusuioned Jefferson into thinking she was "in love with him" so she could get a foothold into modelling. He could potentially have such connections. If she believed so at least.
mcramer451 Jan 6, 2018 @ 6:00pm 
"The Frank thing is an entirely different plot twist altogether! Game is somewhat vague about how that relationship occurred too and how Chloe didn't even know."


The Frank thing I can see how that came about because Chloe already knew Frank from buying weed from them, and we all know that Rachel liked to party and do drugs at the vortex club, so it seems reasonable that eventually Chloe would’ve mentioned Frank and they would’ve met and things progressed from there.

Like I posted somewhere else earlier, there is a sent postcard Rachel from Oregon and pictures of Rachel driving – and that is probably what things took off between the two of them because it’s never a good idea to let your bae go driving all alone with somebody else for an extended period of time, lol. Chloe not knowing about it I can see pretty easily – I think the Frank relationship kinda took off in part because of the drugs which I’m sure lowered inhibitions and let’s face it sometimes people just make mistakes. It’s obvious that the Frank thing wasn’t all that serious incident since it ended so quickly – Frank has one rage and it’s over.
Last edited by mcramer451; Jan 6, 2018 @ 6:01pm
nihilistninja Jan 6, 2018 @ 10:37pm 
Originally posted by mcramer451:
"The Frank thing is an entirely different plot twist altogether! Game is somewhat vague about how that relationship occurred too and how Chloe didn't even know."


The Frank thing I can see how that came about because Chloe already knew Frank from buying weed from them, and we all know that Rachel liked to party and do drugs at the vortex club, so it seems reasonable that eventually Chloe would’ve mentioned Frank and they would’ve met and things progressed from there.

Like I posted somewhere else earlier, there is a sent postcard Rachel from Oregon and pictures of Rachel driving – and that is probably what things took off between the two of them because it’s never a good idea to let your bae go driving all alone with somebody else for an extended period of time, lol. Chloe not knowing about it I can see pretty easily – I think the Frank relationship kinda took off in part because of the drugs which I’m sure lowered inhibitions and let’s face it sometimes people just make mistakes. It’s obvious that the Frank thing wasn’t all that serious incident since it ended so quickly – Frank has one rage and it’s over.

There's two letters from Rachel to Frank in the van, one apologising for Rachel flipping out and scaring Pompidou and the other calling Frank on him having an episode. In the second letter Rachel says that if Frank behaves that way again it will be the last time and that they should 'break their routine', maybe leading to your speculated roadtrip. There's no evidence that Rachel had broken up with Frank prior to her disappearance and Frank's behaviour/attitude throughout LiS isn't that of a dumped boyfriend, he still has the bracelet as well.
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