Samantha (spoilers)

[Hobbes]

Anyone else disappointed they didn't end up doing much with her character in the last episode?

They suggest (at least in my game) that she ends up developing a deeper bond with Nathan, so the question is, where is she supposed to be in the next game? I expected that they'd use her as a means to suggest how Nathans character develops in the future (his darker side). In the end though, we get nothing.

What was even the point of her being there and getting close to Nathan?

[charly4711]

LOL, several points ... provide a different perspective on Nathan, provide a different perspective on love, if you will (like: love can make people blind enough to even like a creep like Nathan ;) )

I'm actually more disappointed about nothing coming out of what Chloe overheard in the hospital, but as in every series lose ends are always a good start for something new / more.

[Hobbes]

I agree it provides a different perspective on Nathan. But it is one that doesn't make sense, Nathan isn't shown to be that way in the original game and if he supposedly had Samantha to support him, why did he go into such a downward spiral? Also again, where is she lol.

Talking about overhearing things, do you mean the firefighters talking about the fire going out? I actually forgot about that. But yeah, that was strange. I'm a little annoyed that they didn't explore any of the paranormal experiences hinted at during the game.

I kind of feel liek the third episode just left a lot of things unexplored and not in a good way.

[Trash Potato]

If you hang around that last door down the hospital hallway when Mr. Amber texts you to go see Rachel, you can overhear some of the Samantha/Nathan conversation. Chloe's main takeaway is along the lines of "Oh, no, Samantha's hanging out with that unbalanced creep". But the conversation goes on, and Samantha says something to the effect of "I'm so flattered you want to take my picture".

Which legitimately might have been more disturbing to me than the post-credits scene.

Deck9 DOESN'T close this arc or reflect on it, they don't determine what happened. You're absolutely right. I'm inclined to believe they're leaving it as wide open as many other things, for you to fill in as your imagination sees fit.

Perhaps, sadly, Samantha is the first victim when Jefferson comes along. (She fits the profile to an alarming degree.) And perhaps she switches school after the fact, or is paid off to leave by Nathan's father. Perhaps Jefferson expedites her transfer. Or maybe she drops out for some other reason, unrelated to Nathan. It's exactly as wide open as you said. But that conversation doesn't bode well for her either way.

[AegonB91]

Originally posted by Elluna:

If you hang around that last door down the hospital hallway when Mr. Amber texts you to go see Rachel, you can overhear some of the Samantha/Nathan conversation. Chloe's main takeaway is along the lines of "Oh, no, Samantha's hanging out with that unbalanced creep". But the conversation goes on, and Samantha says something to the effect of "I'm so flattered you want to take my picture".

Which legitimately might have been more disturbing to me than the post-credits scene.

Deck9 DOESN'T close this arc or reflect on it, they don't determine what happened. You're absolutely right. I'm inclined to believe they're leaving it as wide open as many other things, for you to fill in as your imagination sees fit.

Perhaps, sadly, Samantha is the first victim when Jefferson comes along. (She fits the profile to an alarming degree.) And perhaps she switches school after the fact, or is paid off to leave by Nathan's father. Perhaps Jefferson expedites her transfer. Or maybe she drops out for some other reason, unrelated to Nathan. It's exactly as wide open as you said. But that conversation doesn't bode well for her either way.

Hmmm, you copied what I said in my thread :(

[aurawra]

I think Samantha was mainly used as a tool for developing Nathan's character.

Remember LiS Season 1? Nathan was mainly portrayed as a rich prick, the creep who assaulted Kate and Rachel's possible murderer. But underneath that was a mentally ill guy who was struggling with his father's expectations and a fair amount of hatred. Being manipulated by Jefferson doesn't excuse his behaviour, but I think most people felt a small pang for Nathan when Max listened to his message after Jefferson killed him.

I think BtS sought to delve deeper into Nathan's tortured past and set the scene for his actions and character in Season 1. He's awkward and doesn't fit in anywhere, he has mental issues that his father doesn't want to recognise, and he's starting to go off the deep end (he hurts Samantha).

I just hope that she escaped his clutches in the end, but she probably didn't...

[BloodHunterX020]

Originally posted by laura_m:

I think Samantha was mainly used as a tool for developing Nathan's character.

Remember LiS Season 1? Nathan was mainly portrayed as a rich prick, the creep who assaulted Kate and Rachel's possible murderer. But underneath that was a mentally ill guy who was struggling with his father's expectations and a fair amount of hatred. Being manipulated by Jefferson doesn't excuse his behaviour, but I think most people felt a small pang for Nathan when Max listened to his message after Jefferson killed him.

I think BtS sought to delve deeper into Nathan's tortured past and set the scene for his actions and character in Season 1. He's awkward and doesn't fit in anywhere, he has mental issues that his father doesn't want to recognise, and he's starting to go off the deep end (he hurts Samantha).

I just hope that she escaped his clutches in the end, but she probably didn't...

Actually, I wouldn't be too sure. There's no binder in the Dark Room with Sam's name on it. It's entirely possible she and her family either moved away from Arcadia Bay or simply disappeared from the spotlight when the events of LiS were occurring, which I know is ironic because Sam didn't exist when LiS was made.

However, there have been several allusions to Nathan's future and what could have happened to Samantha, and in my playthrough, Nathan sexually abused her. It didn't surprise me one bit, considering Nathan was already shown in LiS to be ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up when Kate revealed what happened at the Vortex Club party. Jefferson only served to ♥♥♥♥ him up even more.

[Trash Potato]

Originally posted by AegonB91:

Originally posted by Elluna:

If you hang around that last door down the hospital hallway when Mr. Amber texts you to go see Rachel, you can overhear some of the Samantha/Nathan conversation. Chloe's main takeaway is along the lines of "Oh, no, Samantha's hanging out with that unbalanced creep". But the conversation goes on, and Samantha says something to the effect of "I'm so flattered you want to take my picture".

Which legitimately might have been more disturbing to me than the post-credits scene.

Deck9 DOESN'T close this arc or reflect on it, they don't determine what happened. You're absolutely right. I'm inclined to believe they're leaving it as wide open as many other things, for you to fill in as your imagination sees fit.

Perhaps, sadly, Samantha is the first victim when Jefferson comes along. (She fits the profile to an alarming degree.) And perhaps she switches school after the fact, or is paid off to leave by Nathan's father. Perhaps Jefferson expedites her transfer. Or maybe she drops out for some other reason, unrelated to Nathan. It's exactly as wide open as you said. But that conversation doesn't bode well for her either way.

Hmmm, you copied what I said in my thread :(

Don't know who you are or what your thread is. Turns out I also possess admirable powers of noticing what's right in front of me when playing the game and relaying it to others. Shocking that such a power has been bestowed on the both of us at once, I know. But the world must expand to become big enough for the both of us. We'll make it work.

[Shinzou]

Originally posted by BloodHunterX020:

Originally posted by laura_m:

I think Samantha was mainly used as a tool for developing Nathan's character.

Remember LiS Season 1? Nathan was mainly portrayed as a rich prick, the creep who assaulted Kate and Rachel's possible murderer. But underneath that was a mentally ill guy who was struggling with his father's expectations and a fair amount of hatred. Being manipulated by Jefferson doesn't excuse his behaviour, but I think most people felt a small pang for Nathan when Max listened to his message after Jefferson killed him.

I think BtS sought to delve deeper into Nathan's tortured past and set the scene for his actions and character in Season 1. He's awkward and doesn't fit in anywhere, he has mental issues that his father doesn't want to recognise, and he's starting to go off the deep end (he hurts Samantha).

I just hope that she escaped his clutches in the end, but she probably didn't...

Actually, I wouldn't be too sure. There's no binder in the Dark Room with Sam's name on it. It's entirely possible she and her family either moved away from Arcadia Bay or simply disappeared from the spotlight when the events of LiS were occurring, which I know is ironic because Sam didn't exist when LiS was made.

However, there have been several allusions to Nathan's future and what could have happened to Samantha, and in my playthrough, Nathan sexually abused her. It didn't surprise me one bit, considering Nathan was already shown in LiS to be ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up when Kate revealed what happened at the Vortex Club party. Jefferson only served to ♥♥♥♥ him up even more.

There may be no binder, maybe because Nathan dealt with her BEFORE Jefferson came along. Jefferson was new in school in LiS, i think maybe arriving just before Rachel disappeared.

Then again we also have no idea what happened to Stephanie or Mikey (Drew is gone from school obviously).

[Rattman]

About binders...
I looked carefully at the cupboard in the Youtube walkthroughs from the 4-th episode. Max opened left sash of this cupboard, so not all of the binders were visible. But among the visible ones there wasnt binder with Sam`s name.

[talemore]

Originally posted by Doug Rattman:

About binders...
I looked carefully at the cupboard in the Youtube walkthroughs from the 4-th episode. Max opened left sash of this cupboard, so not all of the binders were visible. But among the visible ones there wasnt binder with Sam`s name.

She only invented for BtS. There was no plan for a continue of the story. Samantha doesn't exist in LIS, she wasn't even a thought by the time.

[Battlekruse]

Depending on you choices.

There is a different outcome where Nathan Prescott broke two ribs on Samantha Myers...

Nathan attacked Samantha

Poor Samantha Myers.

[Jeckenn]

Maybe Kate wasn't the first girl Nathan brought to the darkroom?

[Firewalk]

Correct me I'm wrong (and boy do I hope I am) but wasn't there a folder in the dark room with the name Samantha on it?

[mcramer451]

Depends on your play choices - i got them talking about a bike accident and ice cream or something....

[Schnizer]

Originally posted by Shinzou:

Then again we also have no idea what happened to Stephanie or Mikey (Drew is gone from school obviously).

Yeah, which is too bad. Not counting Rachel, those two were the most interesting new characters I thought. Steph had a lot of depth to her. Wish there would of been more interactions with her and Chloe.

Originally posted by Sub-Zero:

Correct me I'm wrong (and boy do I hope I am) but wasn't there a folder in the dark room with the name Samantha on it?

There was not, but Sam could of been the first. Then Nathan/Jefferson could of developed a system for documenting their "actions" after her.