Life is Strange: Before the Storm

Life is Strange: Before the Storm

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5K4RL3T Dec 22, 2017 @ 2:08am
Rachel's letter
Note: Only read if you have played LiS Season 1 and LiS BTS (All episodes)
It's doesn't seems like Rachel and Frank have a close relationship in Ep 3 (BTS), but who can explain about the letters Rachel sent to Frank in Season 1?
P/S: The letters I'm talking about which Max found when she broke in Frank's RV (Season 1)
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Ogami Dec 22, 2017 @ 2:35am 
Well , a lot of things can happen in 3 years.
Dont forget , both Chloe and Rachel are only 16 in this game. At 16 you fall in love every month and think that its serious.

Rachel was always a very wild personality, i honestly think she got bored of Chloe and looked for the next kick, in this case the local drug dealer.
Rachel seems to be drawn to outcast and "bad boy/girl" characters.
She was a party girl and he honestly fits her personality.

I dont think it was anything serious, just typical Rachel. Also we learn later that they broke up already and she was in love with Mr Jefferson.



Last edited by Ogami; Dec 22, 2017 @ 2:36am
Tejzi Dec 22, 2017 @ 3:09am 
Originally posted by Ogami:
Well , a lot of things can happen in 3 years.
Dont forget , both Chloe and Rachel are only 16 in this game. At 16 you fall in love every month and think that its serious.

Rachel was always a very wild personality, i honestly think she got bored of Chloe and looked for the next kick, in this case the local drug dealer.
Rachel seems to be drawn to outcast and "bad boy/girl" characters.
She was a party girl and he honestly fits her personality.

I dont think it was anything serious, just typical Rachel. Also we learn later that they broke up already and she was in love with Mr Jefferson.
jefferson was the one who said rachel was in love with him and he was crazy and not to be trusted
Ogami Dec 22, 2017 @ 3:10am 
Originally posted by Bluejay:
Originally posted by Ogami:
Well , a lot of things can happen in 3 years.
Dont forget , both Chloe and Rachel are only 16 in this game. At 16 you fall in love every month and think that its serious.

Rachel was always a very wild personality, i honestly think she got bored of Chloe and looked for the next kick, in this case the local drug dealer.
Rachel seems to be drawn to outcast and "bad boy/girl" characters.
She was a party girl and he honestly fits her personality.

I dont think it was anything serious, just typical Rachel. Also we learn later that they broke up already and she was in love with Mr Jefferson.
jefferson was the one who said rachel was in love with him and he was crazy and not to be trusted

But the devs of the game said in an live stream after episode 5 that Rachel was indeed in love with Jefferson and that the letter you can find as Max on the scrapyard was about him.
So this is pretty much 100% confirmed.
The Civillian Dec 22, 2017 @ 4:16am 
Originally posted by Ogami:
Originally posted by Bluejay:
jefferson was the one who said rachel was in love with him and he was crazy and not to be trusted

But the devs of the game said in an live stream after episode 5 that Rachel was indeed in love with Jefferson and that the letter you can find as Max on the scrapyard was about him.
So this is pretty much 100% confirmed.


Another thing to consider is that Jeffershit is a VERY good manipulator.

Rachel wasn't in love with him per say, I personally think she just saw him as a means to get what she wanted.

To get her and Chloe out of Arcadia, his a famous photog, she wants to be a model and a star.

I think given the chance Rachel would have still chosen Chloe in the end, yeah she ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up, made mistakes (hell there only 18 at that point)

The other way to look at it is that Rachel, after Frank, didnt think she was good enough for Chloe (what ever way you slice it she did betray Chloe) So she decided to find a way to just dissapear (Aka using Jefferson) rather than face her mistake, Maybe she thought it was better to just dissapear than see Chloe hurt.

I mean if BTS and LiS has taught us anything, its that you cant take things at face value, a lot of the time people do things to protect those they love, even if it means doing things that could hurt them more later.

I like to think Rachel was intending to use Jefferson to run away, (Hence the letter) but then changed her mind, only she didnt get the chance to come clean with Chloe.
Jackalope_908 Dec 22, 2017 @ 6:26am 
I agree that Racheal saw Jefferson as a means to an end, probably saw Frank the same way. She... had the potential to be a very bad sort of person, but I don't think she was there yet.
necro_p3nguin Dec 22, 2017 @ 6:30am 
Just throwing this around again.

I was wondering if anyone else really caught their glances in Ep. 3. To be frank (derp), I thought it was a look of common familiarity. To me, it was obvious that they knew each other but with Chloe being there, they kept silent. Chloe, starting slow and stumbling on her words at first, noticed it but as Chloe does regarding Rachel, she ignored it. It's to remember that Rachel was at the Mill party in Ep. 1 and so obviously has a party / not always good sense in her.

Does this mean that Frank and Rachel were sexually invested in each other at that point? I'm not sure but I wouldn't be surprised. I also wouldn't be surprised if Rachel and Frank kept seeing each other in secret for the next few years as Rachel still dated / had a relationship with Chloe. And then she ditched both of them at the very end to fall for Jefferson (which ended just great for her). I think it's important to keep in mind that Rachel is only 16. Those feelings, falling in and out of love more often then naught, the wish to see multiple sides of life so quickly, Rachel had that with Frank and Chloe. Did she truly love either of them? Did she love both of them? I can't say but I would say she did, in her own, young teenage way.

With the thought that Rachel and Frank were already seeing each other (that I guess no one I can find actually thinks), I can see why that's a little hard to grasped. Rooted in reality, Rachel was 16 and Frank was in his 20's. The age of consent in Oregon (Arcadia Bay) is 18, so obviously Frank would of been breaking the law if he did have any sexual relationship with Rachel. But he's a drug dealer and a killer (self-defense but still) so I have a feeling he doesn't care much for the law. Would good guy Frank really get with a 16 year old? You're damn straight he would. Rachel is obviously mature for her age (or appears to be, like, you know... acting) and the situations that she put herself in (like being at the party in Episode 1), I doubt anyone knew her real age (at first). And for all those Amberprice fans out there, let's say that Rachel really is a good person and seeing her cheat on Chloe after the events in BtS is just too much to handle, let's go with that. But it wouldn't be if she was already seeing Frank. If that relationship was already developed after she met Chloe, then it would really be her cheating on good guy Frank. Which I suppose I can see too.

But like all people, one must grow up and look towards their future. Jefferson was offering her a future, an actual career and life (modeling). Obviously Jefferson, the actor that he was (and she was), it wasn't her fault. Even after all the amazing, life thrilling events that happened in Before the Storm, those events still faded into the past as they grew older. Chloe and Frank never changed, but Rachel did. One can hate Rachel (for the sake of any better words) for cheating on Chloe with Frank (or vice versa) but I think in the end, she tried doing what was best. And if interpretations are correct regarding the Doe, she more then made-up for her mistakes. Looking at the Raven, William made up for any of his (the lies, that Chloe never found out what were) mistakes too.

tl;dr Frank and Rachel were already in a relationship (sexual or otherwise) in BtS and Chloe ignored the obvious. But teenagers.
Jackalope_908 Dec 22, 2017 @ 6:42am 
I have a theory about Frank and Rachel, but it's not a pleasant one, and one that is unlikely to be very popular. Given Rachel's apparently narcisisstic behavior, I think she was actually using Frank to get money and/or other resources from him, essentially prostituting herself. Frank was probably more emotionally invested than Rachel was.
Ogami Dec 22, 2017 @ 6:50am 
Originally posted by Dave III:
I have a theory about Frank and Rachel, but it's not a pleasant one, and one that is unlikely to be very popular. Given Rachel's apparently narcisisstic behavior, I think she was actually using Frank to get money and/or other resources from him, essentially prostituting herself. Frank was probably more emotionally invested than Rachel was.

So the same as Chloe? It seems Rachel has a talent to make others fall in love with her to get what she wants from them. Which ultimately lead to her downfall with Jefferson. I guess she thought she had it under control like always but it was Jefferson who was pulling the strings in reality.
Jackalope_908 Dec 22, 2017 @ 6:54am 
Originally posted by Ogami:
Originally posted by Dave III:
I have a theory about Frank and Rachel, but it's not a pleasant one, and one that is unlikely to be very popular. Given Rachel's apparently narcisisstic behavior, I think she was actually using Frank to get money and/or other resources from him, essentially prostituting herself. Frank was probably more emotionally invested than Rachel was.

So the same as Chloe? It seems Rachel has a talent to make others fall in love with her to get what she wants from them. Which ultimately lead to her downfall with Jefferson. I guess she thought she had it under control like always but it was Jefferson who was pulling the strings in reality.
That's a fair interpretation of the facts as I see 'em. It's kinda like the old Westerns where there's a kid who tries to make a name for himself as a fast-draw guy and picks a fight with everyone he can... until he finds that one who's faster.
necro_p3nguin Dec 22, 2017 @ 6:59am 
Originally posted by Ogami:
So the same as Chloe? It seems Rachel has a talent to make others fall in love with her to get what she wants from them. Which ultimately lead to her downfall with Jefferson. I guess she thought she had it under control like always but it was Jefferson who was pulling the strings in reality.
Like I said in my past post, I think in the end, if interpretations of the Doe are correct, she made up for her mistakes. Arcadia Bay has a disease underneath its shining outside. Chloe, the realist that she is, managed to fight it for awhile but Rachel wasn't able to.
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Avalanche Dec 22, 2017 @ 7:18am 
When it comes to criminals, not many would ever hurt a child, even a 16 year old and those that do, do not last long in prison.

I respect criminals for that reason, they might rape women murder women, men and do alot of sick things, but when it comes to children, they are off limits and those that do harm children are very often killed in prison very quickly.

So, while Frank is a drug dealer, he isn't really a bad guy and if he went to prison for sex with a minor, he wouldn't last long in prison at all.
necro_p3nguin Dec 22, 2017 @ 7:27am 
Originally posted by Lithari:
When it comes to criminals, not many would ever hurt a child, even a 16 year old and those that do, do not last long in prison.

I respect criminals for that reason, they might rape women murder women, men and do alot of sick things, but when it comes to children, they are off limits and those that do harm children are very often killed in prison very quickly.

So, while Frank is a drug dealer, he isn't really a bad guy and if he went to prison for sex with a minor, he wouldn't last long in prison at all.

If Frank was sexually involved with Rachel (and he definitely was) and went to prison for that reason, I doubt those respectful criminals would care much or do anything for him being with a 16 year old (as the age of consent is 16 in various places anyways).

Respecting some criminals who do horrid things because they refuse to hurt children is, in my opinion, ridiculous. I can't seem to grasp the idea of a person killing, raping or both another human being and that person deserving any ounce of respect for anything. I'm a huge animal lover (vegetarian my whole life) and guess what, good ol' Hitler was a huge animal lover too and didn't like eating them. Do I respect him for that? Hell no. That would be ridiculous.
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