Why the Ending Sucked to me (Spoilers)

[LawlOfZero]

To start with, the game was shorter than I imagined it would be. Who thought it was a good idea to focus on a slow paced story then wrap all of it up in 10 minutes. I get the game is before the first but like that doesn't answer anything about this storyline.

One, You don't get to talk to anyone else at the end but Rachel. What about Frank, Rachel's parents, David,etc. It was mind blowing how they add the climax for most of the episode then the falling action was like 10 minutes with a series of short scenes showing stuff. It doesn't add to the story and it makes the story lazy. They should have done another episode for story purposes so you could talk to people and everything would end with a nice bow on top. It's bad writing to leave unanswered stuff with the relations of characters. The first game did not do this, yeah they didn't answer a bit about the powers but they still made the ending feel like you were able to talk to everyone you needed to.

Two, unanswered things. They mention some things with Damon, Elliot, Rachel's Dad and Sera but they don't go into detail at all. I would like to know more about the new characters we never seen before. Why did Frank help out Chloe and Rachel over his own best friend? Frank can kill people as he did to his best friend. Was there some type of moral he had or did he just had a soft spot for Chloe? Where do Steph, Drew, and Mikey end up? We know Mr. North gets apartment but where does Steph go?... So much more they didn't tell us and we have to guess.

Three, some things do not make sense at all. If everyone knew Rachel was stabbed then how come Chloe's mom or David didn't come to see if Chloe was okay? That's not very like her mom. There was a few things out of character for me I can't think of at the top of my head.

It was just bad writing. What do you think they failed on and should've done?

[|Y^2| Nording]

Probably, they all died in Tornado, except Chloe and Max

[AwkwardGhost]

Preach this, the third episode was kind of a disappointment

[Tzunny]

More or less, but remember to show your suport in few moments when vote for LiS lol let's show that instead we actually care.

[LawlOfZero]

Originally posted by Tzunny #Vote 4 LiS:

More or less, but remember to show your suport in few moments when vote for LiS lol :Assault1: let's show that instead we actually care.

Yeah, I just hope the original game makers make more to the series.

[Pvt. Martin]

Reguardless of what Frank shows to everyone on the outside, the the first game proves that he DOES have something resembling a heart. coupled with that konwlegde and seeing 2 teens fight a physico with crocadile dun dee knife, its obvious why he did what he did.

I think it was stated that Drew was going to another college and was leaving i liked his small story ark short sweet. We that he was a ass but actucally wasnt. Steph problably stayed at blackwell but she wouldnt know Max, she would just bleed away to being just another namless face in the first game.

And Elliot was just a creeper we all thought was normal at first but really wasnt and gets expelled.

As for Chloe calling her parents.....i think we would all do that in real life. In game that would of worked probably really well having them show up. but the Ambers are more important storywise.

[Prinegon]

Originally posted by LawlOfZero:

To start with, the game was shorter than I imagined it would be. Who thought it was a good idea to focus on a slow paced story then wrap all of it up in 10 minutes. I get the game is before the first but like that doesn't answer anything about this storyline.

Agreed, from the point on, where Chloe enters the Mill, the pacing of the wrap up seems rushed and unsatisfying.

Originally posted by LawlOfZero:

One, You don't get to talk to anyone else at the end but Rachel. What about Frank, Rachel's parents, David,etc.

To me neigher Frank, nor Rachels parents are important at this point. If you hide the truth, their attitude towards Chloe does not change from the point on, when Chloe has brought Rachel into the hospital. Her dad is glad Chloe was there to save his daughters life and Rose tells Chloe, that sometimes 2 people (Chloe and Rachel) are just right for each other, even if they don't know each other long.
It would be another thing, if you tell Rachel the truth. But tbh, I really would not want to be part of that awkward conversation between Chloe and Rachels parents, since Chloe just destroyed their family in their eyes. We can see the reactions in the endscene, nothing more is needed there.
The episode has a final talk with David, the moment where you eigher take his picture or refuse the offer. David does nothing else from this point on, so the relation is setteled with this decision.
The one plotline I feel feel was unanswered was the relation between Nathan and Samantha, especially because in the end credits we have them on a totally different state of mind than the last time we saw them (the end of episode 2). I think, something was planned to happen but got cut.

Originally posted by LawlOfZero:

Two, unanswered things. They mention some things with Damon, Elliot, Rachel's Dad and Sera but they don't go into detail at all. I would like to know more about the new characters we never seen before. Why did Frank help out Chloe and Rachel over his own best friend? Frank can kill people as he did to his best friend. Was there some type of moral he had or did he just had a soft spot for Chloe? Where do Steph, Drew, and Mikey end up? We know Mr. North gets apartment but where does Steph go?... So much more they didn't tell us and we have to guess.

I don't feel, those questions got left unanswered for the most part.
Damon ends up dead. In this ending, he might also have been disarmed and scared away by Frank, but in LIS it is mentioned, that he is not alive anymore.
Depending on if Eliot gets caught by the police or manages to escape, he eigher gets expelled from Blackwell or ends up heartbroken over Chloe and destoying his picture of him and her at the concert. Eigher way both won't stay in touch.
Since Sera got injected again, the way addiction works is, that her progress she has made in rehap is likely to be undone, That is why she wants to disappear. However, you can convince her to meet up with Rachel and if you do, the ending will show Rachel hugging her birth mom.
With Rachels Dad it also depends, if you lie to Rachel or not. If you lie, then Rachel told you, how she feels about her dad. She is mad at him, but it felt so good to be able to lean on him. He makes her feel save. There is no need to reapeat that at the end, since nothing would have happen to change Rachels mind in that case. If you tell Rachel the truth, you just have to take a look on her face to know everything. In that case, too, there is no need to put that into words.
The only thing a bit odd is, in both cases she won't leave home immediately, since in the ending we can see Rachel and Chloe in Rachels room. However, at one point we know from LIS, she will move to the dorms.
Frank helps Chloe, since he is unhappy about what Damon is willing to do. He told Chloe in the RV in Episode 2, that he don't like what Damon is doing, we see in EP 3 in the junkyard as well, that Damon takes things fürther than Frank is able to justify. Frank is a dealer, not a murderer or a kidnapper. I disagree, that Frank has no problems killing. The way Frank is shown he tries to avoid violence and only attacks, if not avoidable. I don't think that he attacked Damon with the aim to kill him, it might as well have been self defense. Notice, that he doesn'T throw away his photo of Damon, showing, Frank regrets how things with Damon went down.

Originally posted by LawlOfZero:

Three, some things do not make sense at all. If everyone knew Rachel was stabbed then how come Chloe's mom or David didn't come to see if Chloe was okay? That's not very like her mom. There was a few things out of character for me I can't think of at the top of my head.

Why do you think, everyone knew, Rachel was stabbed? The game never claimed, that everyone knew. We know, that Rachels parents got allerted, since they show up in the hospital. Steph only knows Rachel is there, since she already was in the hospital and talked to Rose. But it would be Chloe telling Steph, Drew and Mickey, what happened, they didn't know before. Eliot doesn't know as well, he shows up to visit Drew or Mickey (depending on who got injured).
In real life, you could argue, since someone got stabbed, hospital staff would be required to report to the police and Chloe should have been interrogated by officers, who would tell Joyce. But I am happy to forgive this, because this would have been in the way of story development. Also since Rachels dad is the DA, there would also be an explanation why the police was not involved, since the staff might have expected, the DA will take care of possible charges. James on the other hand has his own reasons not to go official with the attack, as we learn in the story later.
So it is plausible, that Chloe's mom never got to know that Chloe brought Rachel to the hospital, especially since Chloe was not treated herself.

The ending does not exactly cover every moment between the end of BTS and LIS. I don't think it has to It however gives quite a good state of mind of everyone at the evening of the 3rd day of Chloe and Rachel meeting. I don't feel like mayor plotlines are left unanswered. The biggest unanswered question is, when choosing to tell Rachel the truth, if the realationship between Rachel and James is mendet somehow or if it escalates. Beside from that, my questions are answered.

[LawlOfZero]

Originally posted by Prinegon:

Originally posted by LawlOfZero:

To start with, the game was shorter than I imagined it would be. Who thought it was a good idea to focus on a slow paced story then wrap all of it up in 10 minutes. I get the game is before the first but like that doesn't answer anything about this storyline.

Agreed, from the point on, where Chloe enters the Mill, the pacing of the wrap up seems rushed and unsatisfying.

Originally posted by LawlOfZero:

One, You don't get to talk to anyone else at the end but Rachel. What about Frank, Rachel's parents, David,etc.

To me neigher Frank, nor Rachels parents are important at this point. If you hide the truth, their attitude towards Chloe does not change from the point on, when Chloe has brought Rachel into the hospital. Her dad is glad Chloe was there to save his daughters life and Rose tells Chloe, that sometimes 2 people (Chloe and Rachel) are just right for each other, even if they don't know each other long.
It would be another thing, if you tell Rachel the truth. But tbh, I really would not want to be part of that awkward conversation between Chloe and Rachels parents, since Chloe just destroyed their family in their eyes. We can see the reactions in the endscene, nothing more is needed there.
The episode has a final talk with David, the moment where you eigher take his picture or refuse the offer. David does nothing else from this point on, so the relation is setteled with this decision.
The one plotline I feel feel was unanswered was the relation between Nathan and Samantha, especially because in the end credits we have them on a totally different state of mind than the last time we saw them (the end of episode 2). I think, something was planned to happen but got cut.

Originally posted by LawlOfZero:

Two, unanswered things. They mention some things with Damon, Elliot, Rachel's Dad and Sera but they don't go into detail at all. I would like to know more about the new characters we never seen before. Why did Frank help out Chloe and Rachel over his own best friend? Frank can kill people as he did to his best friend. Was there some type of moral he had or did he just had a soft spot for Chloe? Where do Steph, Drew, and Mikey end up? We know Mr. North gets apartment but where does Steph go?... So much more they didn't tell us and we have to guess.

I don't feel, those questions got left unanswered for the most part.
Damon ends up dead. In this ending, he might also have been disarmed and scared away by Frank, but in LIS it is mentioned, that he is not alive anymore.
Depending on if Eliot gets caught by the police or manages to escape, he eigher gets expelled from Blackwell or ends up heartbroken over Chloe and destoying his picture of him and her at the concert. Eigher way both won't stay in touch.
Since Sera got injected again, the way addiction works is, that her progress she has made in rehap is likely to be undone, That is why she wants to disappear. However, you can convince her to meet up with Rachel and if you do, the ending will show Rachel hugging her birth mom.
With Rachels Dad it also depends, if you lie to Rachel or not. If you lie, then Rachel told you, how she feels about her dad. She is mad at him, but it felt so good to be able to lean on him. He makes her feel save. There is no need to reapeat that at the end, since nothing would have happen to change Rachels mind in that case. If you tell Rachel the truth, you just have to take a look on her face to know everything. In that case, too, there is no need to put that into words.
The only thing a bit odd is, in both cases she won't leave home immediately, since in the ending we can see Rachel and Chloe in Rachels room. However, at one point we know from LIS, she will move to the dorms.
Frank helps Chloe, since he is unhappy about what Damon is willing to do. He told Chloe in the RV in Episode 2, that he don't like what Damon is doing, we see in EP 3 in the junkyard as well, that Damon takes things fürther than Frank is able to justify. Frank is a dealer, not a murderer or a kidnapper. I disagree, that Frank has no problems killing. The way Frank is shown he tries to avoid violence and only attacks, if not avoidable. I don't think that he attacked Damon with the aim to kill him, it might as well have been self defense. Notice, that he doesn'T throw away his photo of Damon, showing, Frank regrets how things with Damon went down.

Originally posted by LawlOfZero:

Three, some things do not make sense at all. If everyone knew Rachel was stabbed then how come Chloe's mom or David didn't come to see if Chloe was okay? That's not very like her mom. There was a few things out of character for me I can't think of at the top of my head.

Why do you think, everyone knew, Rachel was stabbed? The game never claimed, that everyone knew. We know, that Rachels parents got allerted, since they show up in the hospital. Steph only knows Rachel is there, since she already was in the hospital and talked to Rose. But it would be Chloe telling Steph, Drew and Mickey, what happened, they didn't know before. Eliot doesn't know as well, he shows up to visit Drew or Mickey (depending on who got injured).
In real life, you could argue, since someone got stabbed, hospital staff would be required to report to the police and Chloe should have been interrogated by officers, who would tell Joyce. But I am happy to forgive this, because this would have been in the way of story development. Also since Rachels dad is the DA, there would also be an explanation why the police was not involved, since the staff might have expected, the DA will take care of possible charges. James on the other hand has his own reasons not to go official with the attack, as we learn in the story later.
So it is plausible, that Chloe's mom never got to know that Chloe brought Rachel to the hospital, especially since Chloe was not treated herself.

The ending does not exactly cover every moment between the end of BTS and LIS. I don't think it has to It however gives quite a good state of mind of everyone at the evening of the 3rd day of Chloe and Rachel meeting. I don't feel like mayor plotlines are left unanswered. The biggest unanswered question is, when choosing to tell Rachel the truth, if the realationship between Rachel and James is mendet somehow or if it escalates. Beside from that, my questions are answered.

Having known someone in the situation like Chloe, the cops have to tell your parents about it. She is not a legal adult. Most parents would have told the other parents what is going on. It doesn't make sense.

[Prinegon]

Originally posted by LawlOfZero:

Having known someone in the situation like Chloe, the cops have to tell your parents about it. She is not a legal adult. Most parents would have told the other parents what is going on. It doesn't make sense.

If the cops got informed about the situation, I'd agree. But again, I am willing to believe, that the staff leaves it to the DA to inform the cops. James is not a normal person, he is the DA and would be the person, who is supposed to make the charge.
Yes, in real life it would have gone down different, but this is not too far fetched that I would not be able to forgive this. This game had bigger issues where we had to accept things, that would have been different in real life, like.
- Chloe being able to influence people in her favour by ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥
- being late for school, but still have time not just for a cigarette, but to stroll around and talk to the whole campus, including a 20 minutes roleplay session.
- having a director who is willing to get into a serious argument over a student sitting on a stage
- Chloe getting expelled for ditching school (instead of being brough to school by police/ streetworker every day, since this is what would have happened, until Chloe got transferred to a bording school)
- Chloe having all the time in the world to redecorrate the bathroom with securty waiting outside
- Chloe getting expelled in front of a different family (the Ambers)
- Samuel ignoring the fact, that the sprinklers got violently damaged with only 3 suspects around.
- Chloe not getting in trouble for writing in fresh cement or writing on the DA's desk. It is even hard to believe, that Chloe would do some of the graffity in situations, where she knows, even if not seen doing it she still would get blaimed for it.
- Chloe being able to fix up a truck that bad in shape
- Rachel and Chloe not getting injured by jumping out of a moving train (even if moving slowly jumping off would still be hard to do especially if getting thrown out of the train).

There are tons of things that are written badly, when judged by reality aspect. But this is not only true for Before the storm. LIS also has a ton of unrealistic scenes as well, you could complain about. So why is it, that this one aspcet, that police was not informed yet, is breaking the deal for you?

[LawlOfZero]

Originally posted by Prinegon:

Originally posted by LawlOfZero:

Having known someone in the situation like Chloe, the cops have to tell your parents about it. She is not a legal adult. Most parents would have told the other parents what is going on. It doesn't make sense.

If the cops got informed about the situation, I'd agree. But again, I am willing to believe, that the staff leaves it to the DA to inform the cops. James is not a normal person, he is the DA and would be the person, who is supposed to make the charge.
Yes, in real life it would have gone down different, but this is not too far fetched that I would not be able to forgive this. This game had bigger issues where we had to accept things, that would have been different in real life, like.
- Chloe being able to influence people in her favour by ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥
- being late for school, but still have time not just for a cigarette, but to stroll around and talk to the whole campus, including a 20 minutes roleplay session.
- having a director who is willing to get into a serious argument over a student sitting on a stage
- Chloe getting expelled for ditching school (instead of being brough to school by police/ streetworker every day, since this is what would have happened, until Chloe got transferred to a bording school)
- Chloe having all the time in the world to redecorrate the bathroom with securty waiting outside
- Chloe getting expelled in front of a different family (the Ambers)
- Samuel ignoring the fact, that the sprinklers got violently damaged with only 3 suspects around.
- Chloe not getting in trouble for writing in fresh cement or writing on the DA's desk. It is even hard to believe, that Chloe would do some of the graffity in situations, where she knows, even if not seen doing it she still would get blaimed for it.
- Chloe being able to fix up a truck that bad in shape
- Rachel and Chloe not getting injured by jumping out of a moving train (even if moving slowly jumping off would still be hard to do especially if getting thrown out of the train).

There are tons of things that are written badly, when judged by reality aspect. But this is not only true for Before the storm. LIS also has a ton of unrealistic scenes as well, you could complain about. So why is it, that this one aspcet, that police was not informed yet, is breaking the deal for you?

I said things off the top of my head. Did I not?

[Jeckenn]

You need to realize that in fiction many things are over looked/ignored just to make the fiction the way the writer wants it to be. This is also not something that is going to be scrutinized by fans like a best seller novelist would be, so normally things like gaming stories are forgiven for things like Chloe being able to fix the truck, getting expelled in front of another family, and pretty much everything you listed...

I do agree and I really DO wish developers in this genre would take their stories to a more serious level however that doesn't seem to be happening any time soon...

[Prinegon]

Originally posted by Jeckenn:

You need to realize that in fiction many things are over looked/ignored just to make the fiction the way the writer wants it to be. This is also not something that is going to be scrutinized by fans like a best seller novelist would be, so normally things like gaming stories are forgiven for things like Chloe being able to fix the truck, getting expelled in front of another family, and pretty much everything you listed...

That is exactly my point. that is why I asked, why the police thing is the deal breaker for LawlOfZero?
To me the hospital scene was not breaking the mood. The worst scene in the whole prequels would have been in Episode 1, stealing the wine from the couple, since that scene really took me out of it with how stupid it was. And still I at least enjoyed that in Episode 3 we kinda got closure with the short scene of the couple in the hospital. It had a nice touch there.

[LawlOfZero]

Originally posted by Prinegon:

Originally posted by Jeckenn:

You need to realize that in fiction many things are over looked/ignored just to make the fiction the way the writer wants it to be. This is also not something that is going to be scrutinized by fans like a best seller novelist would be, so normally things like gaming stories are forgiven for things like Chloe being able to fix the truck, getting expelled in front of another family, and pretty much everything you listed...

That is exactly my point. that is why I asked, why the police thing is the deal breaker for LawlOfZero?
To me the hospital scene was not breaking the mood. The worst scene in the whole prequels would have been in Episode 1, stealing the wine from the couple, since that scene really took me out of it with how stupid it was. And still I at least enjoyed that in Episode 3 we kinda got closure with the short scene of the couple in the hospital. It had a nice touch there.

It wasn't the police thing, it was an example of one of my issues. stop assuming it was the only thing I mentioned. Either you can't read or just blind.