how to save Chloe, Rachel and Max theory

[obama]

Ok, i know it sounds far fetched BUT it is /technically/ possible. In Life is Strange we learn that Max can go back in time by looking at picturess. As far as we know, she can only do it for a small period of time, and she can't do a lot of stuff while being back in time, BUT it is ENTIRELY POSSIBLE that she can do many more things while being back in time.
So, you know how Max goes back to save Chloe's dad? Well, why can't she go back to the same time and tell Chloe EVERYTHING. Everything as in - everything that happenes when you meet her in 2015 plus telling her the future A.K.A your dad is going to die, you're going to meet a peron called Rachel, you will hate your life, you will be sad, you will hate David, who will take your dad's place, etc. . After she does that she can tell Chloe that she has to somehow expose The Black Room, Jefferson and Nathan. If she does that, then there aren't any people getting drugged and then assaulted in probably a lot of ways AND RACHEL LIVES. If that happens, then in that reality Max wouldnt have to use powers to save Chloe from Nathan, cuz Nathan is in jail, and Chloe, Rachel and Max will live happily ever after. I know this is VERY far fetched, but i think it's possible.

PLEASE reply if you think you found flaws in the theory OR if you can add stuff to support it. <3

[IceTeaz]

I'm 100% with you. Rachel deserves to live.

[Deez nuts]

The theory would not make sense because we learn that Chloe only goes through this emo phase because Max left.

[solxiz]

What

[Jeckenn]

Thing is when Max made even SMALL changes in an effort to make a better future look at what the results were. When she tried to stop Chloe's Dad from being killed in a car accident instead Chloe ended up getting in a car accident and then she had to live quadrapilegic in a wheelchair with bad respiratory problems, so bad that she actually wanted and even begged Max to kill her with an overdose of morphine.

So if she went back to that same time and told Chloe everything what do you think might happen then? It wouldn't be good we can be 100% certain of that, sorry OP but the ONLY thing Max can do is at the end she needs to STOP using her time powers and in fact vow to never use them again and this is why she must let the storm destroy the town as that is the only way to let time right itself for her original mistake of saving Chloe that first time in the washroom.

[Prinegon]

Novels dealing with time travel and butterfly effect usually want to eigher tell that no matter what, your fate is destiny, or whatever you try to fix, you will always end up in more mess. (See movies like butterfly effect, terminator, back to the future, final destination, ...). Both messages could be found in LIS. Chloe'S death seems to be fate and preventing her fate leads to a very high price (the vortex hitting the bay), William could be saved but leaves to a world that is worse than the world Max was used to.
Could have Max tried again? Coud she have convinced William as well, that she can time travel and that Chloe should never get a car for her birthday? Yes. But since the game wants to send the message, that doing changes with time travel is not the answer, the outcome would probably have been unacceptable as well, perhaps with Chloe ending up married to Eliot, leaving him behind with 3 kids, after having a fatal accident with a malfunctioning vaccuum cleaner. When trying another time, something else would have been wrong. It is just the lack of time that left those attempts untold.
The message of the game is: Don't try to fix things with timetravel, you'll fail.

While the thing above is a meta epxlaination, why your Idea would not work, I can also give you an ingame explanation:
Max would not be willing to try. After the faliure with William Max saw, how bad things could turn out. She is not emotionally able to try again, since things could have turned out even worse. She is just not willing and emotionally able to face possible faliure again. therefore she won't attempt it.

[Jeckenn]

Originally posted by Prinegon:

Novels dealing with time travel and butterfly effect usually want to eigher tell that no matter what, your fate is destiny, or whatever you try to fix, you will always end up in more mess. (See movies like butterfly effect, terminator, back to the future, final destination, ...). Both messages could be found in LIS. Chloe'S death seems to be fate and preventing her fate leads to a very high price (the vortex hitting the bay), William could be saved but leaves to a world that is worse than the world Max was used to.
Could have Max tried again? Coud she have convinced William as well, that she can time travel and that Chloe should never get a car for her birthday? Yes. But since the game wants to send the message, that doing changes with time travel is not the answer, the outcome would probably have been unacceptable as well, perhaps with Chloe ending up married to Eliot, leaving him behind with 3 kids, after having a fatal accident with a malfunctioning vaccuum cleaner. When trying another time, something else would have been wrong. It is just the lack of time that left those attempts untold.
The message of the game is: Don't try to fix things with timetravel, you'll fail.

While the thing above is a meta epxlaination, why your Idea would not work, I can also give you an ingame explanation:
Max would not be willing to try. After the faliure with William Max saw, how bad things could turn out. She is not emotionally able to try again, since things could have turned out even worse. She is just not willing and emotionally able to face possible faliure again. therefore she won't attempt it.

Ok so if that is true then what I said in the post right above yours is also true, it won't work to go back and watch Chloe die to Nathan's gun at the end because once again you are using the time powers in an attempt to make a better future. So the only way is to accept that you DID make a mistake the first time you saved Chloe and the consequence of that is the town of Arcadia Bay will get destroyed and whoever dies in that destruction is also part of the consequence.

[Dark Angel]

Originally posted by Prinegon:

Novels dealing with time travel and butterfly effect usually want to eigher tell that no matter what, your fate is destiny, or whatever you try to fix, you will always end up in more mess. (See movies like butterfly effect, terminator, back to the future, final destination, ...).

Novels, dealing with fixing things with time travel usually whateverwhatyousay. Not every story about time travel are about fixing things.
Second one. Such movies as Frequency, Groundhog Day, Edge of Tomorrow, Terminator 2 (seriously? you talking about "fate is destiny" and mentioned terminator (There's no fate but what we make for ourselves.) right after?) telling story about successfully fixing things. So it not necessary to screw everything up just because you travel in time. It only depends what author of the novel want. And by "want" i mean not "want to tell us how dangerous it" (because who say it dangerous? he have experience of time travelling?), but "want to put his heroes in certain circumstances".

To fix or not to fix, that is the question. In case of LiS and BtS I didn't see a single reason why Max and Chloe can't fix everything they want. Of course they can. They didn't do it not because "novels about time travel suppose to tell"... but because developers was too lazy to do more than two endings. That is the answer.

[Ogami]

Originally posted by Viktor p:

So, you know how Max goes back to save Chloe's dad? Well, why can't she go back to the same time and tell Chloe EVERYTHING.

Because she can only travel into photos that show herself. And she burned the picture of her and Chloe that her dad took at that time to prevent herself from ever going back. Because she KNOWS that changing the past just makes things worse in the end.

[Nightingale 64]

I m with you.

However, highly doubt that BtS has already offered an open ending: where if you managed to make Nathan and another girl(forgot her name) to date at the end scene, everything would be changed since Nathan has found someone who cares about him and no longer a 'angry kid', which could have twisted the original LIS story completely from a tragedy to a positive end

[obama]

Originally posted by Prinegon:

Novels dealing with time travel and butterfly effect usually want to eigher tell that no matter what, your fate is destiny, or whatever you try to fix, you will always end up in more mess. (See movies like butterfly effect, terminator, back to the future, final destination, ...). Both messages could be found in LIS. Chloe'S death seems to be fate and preventing her fate leads to a very high price (the vortex hitting the bay), William could be saved but leaves to a world that is worse than the world Max was used to.
Could have Max tried again? Coud she have convinced William as well, that she can time travel and that Chloe should never get a car for her birthday? Yes. But since the game wants to send the message, that doing changes with time travel is not the answer, the outcome would probably have been unacceptable as well, perhaps with Chloe ending up married to Eliot, leaving him behind with 3 kids, after having a fatal accident with a malfunctioning vaccuum cleaner. When trying another time, something else would have been wrong. It is just the lack of time that left those attempts untold.
The message of the game is: Don't try to fix things with timetravel, you'll fail.

While the thing above is a meta epxlaination, why your Idea would not work, I can also give you an ingame explanation:
Max would not be willing to try. After the faliure with William Max saw, how bad things could turn out. She is not emotionally able to try again, since things could have turned out even worse. She is just not willing and emotionally able to face possible faliure again. therefore she won't attempt it.

i understand. But if she goes back in time to when she took the picture and still pulls the firealarm, wouldnt that technically be saving Chloe without time travel powers?Becouse she will travel back to before knowing she had the powers . Also, can't she just stand in front of the bathroom and wait for Chloe? When Chloe sees her i'm 100% sure she won't go to ask Nathan for money.

[obama]

Originally posted by Dark Angel:

Originally posted by Prinegon:

Novels dealing with time travel and butterfly effect usually want to eigher tell that no matter what, your fate is destiny, or whatever you try to fix, you will always end up in more mess. (See movies like butterfly effect, terminator, back to the future, final destination, ...).

Novels, dealing with fixing things with time travel usually whateverwhatyousay. Not every story about time travel are about fixing things.
Second one. Such movies as Frequency, Groundhog Day, Edge of Tomorrow, Terminator 2 (seriously? you talking about "fate is destiny" and mentioned terminator (There's no fate but what we make for ourselves.) right after?) telling story about successfully fixing things. So it not necessary to screw everything up just because you travel in time. It only depends what author of the novel want. And by "want" i mean not "want to tell us how dangerous it" (because who say it dangerous? he have experience of time travelling?), but "want to put his heroes in certain circumstances".

To fix or not to fix, that is the question. In case of LiS and BtS I didn't see a single reason why Max and Chloe can't fix everything they want. Of course they can. They didn't do it not because "novels about time travel suppose to tell"... but because developers was too lazy to do more than two endings. That is the answer.

you sir, are right


lazy devs = bad game

[obama]

Originally posted by Jeckenn:

Thing is when Max made even SMALL changes in an effort to make a better future look at what the results were. When she tried to stop Chloe's Dad from being killed in a car accident instead Chloe ended up getting in a car accident and then she had to live quadrapilegic in a wheelchair with bad respiratory problems, so bad that she actually wanted and even begged Max to kill her with an overdose of morphine.

So if she went back to that same time and told Chloe everything what do you think might happen then? It wouldn't be good we can be 100% certain of that, sorry OP but the ONLY thing Max can do is at the end she needs to STOP using her time powers and in fact vow to never use them again and this is why she must let the storm destroy the town as that is the only way to let time right itself for her original mistake of saving Chloe that first time in the washroom.

a bit of a copy-paste, but i don't have the time to rephrase it so here it is :
i understand. But if she goes back in time to when she took the picture and still pulls the firealarm, wouldnt that technically be saving Chloe without time travel powers?Becouse she will travel back to before knowing she had the powers . Also, can't she just stand in front of the bathroom and wait for Chloe? When Chloe sees her i'm 100% sure she won't go to ask Nathan for money.


in the end it's not anyone's fault but the devs. They were lazy enough to not include a 3rd or 4th ending. It's even confirmed that they rushed episode 5 .

[obama]

Originally posted by Nightingal3:

I m with you.

However, highly doubt that BtS has already offered an open ending: where if you managed to make Nathan and another girl(forgot her name) to date at the end scene, everything would be changed since Nathan has found someone who cares about him and no longer a 'angry kid', which could have twisted the original LIS story completely from a tragedy to a positive end

you are right, but the devs are still lazy AF, and they probably rushed LiS:BtS as fast as they could. Just like LiS episode 5

[obama]

Originally posted by solxiz:

What

i was half asleep, so sry for not rephrasing it in a easily understood way xd

[obama]

Originally posted by Shirayuki Z:

Saving one person (Chloe) destroyed entire city and killed countless people, how much destruction will bring saving another one? By exposing Dark Room using time travel you may save even more people and bring even more destruction. While I accept saving Chloe (that was my option) I would not be so sure to mess with time again after this one.

Well, i understood that using time travel was the thing that started the hurricane, so by not using it everything's ok right? that means she can time travel back to before using her powers and save chloe without using them, even though that will probably mean that max or rachel get shot cuz of ♥♥♥♥♥♥ time travel logic.

anyways, noone is wrong in this scenario. Only the lazy devs are for blaming.