Plot hole

[Wolfie]

Just replaying Life is Strange season 1 where Chloe picks Max up in episode 1 after the Nathan fight.

Chloe says Max didn't call or TEXT her once during the last 5 years, when Max makes excuses Chloe says 'yeah right, like your laptop and phone were frozen in time'.

Can some fanboys try and explain away this glaring plot hole? Chloe and Max clearly text in LiS:BtS, so '5 years without a call or text' is patently wrong.

[zayaid]

*insert multiverse/miltiple timeline therory here*

[CZBGR Icepick]

Originally posted by Doesnotcompute83:

http://life-is-strange.wikia.com/wiki/Inconsistencies

That reminds me. They screwed up the links on the fan wiki the other day, but I ended up seeing that page. Weird inconsistencies involving Victoria, which I haven't verified, but what bothers me is they were counting the fact that Mark Jefferson was not in Blackwell in BtS, despite what she says in LIS1.

Other than the fact they only had two sources, one being ripped off the Facebook discussion, I find that this could also be contradicted by what Drew said to Nathan after Chloe defused the fight, suggesting his employment at Blackwell was at this time.

Then there's your whole weird talk about some people not recognizing Chloe. Well, she changed her hair and got tattoos. I would say that throws off some people, depending on her previous interaction with them.

EDIT: the wiki also neglected to mention Victoria's ambitions on joining the Vortex Club. Apparently at this time, the club was originally supposed to be what it was formed to be, until Victoria herself announced she had an agenda to change that as a club for elites. Wow.

[Wolfie]

Originally posted by Prinegon:

Originally posted by Bofadeese:

You said in Chloe's room, when Max asks about Rachel. Enlighten me, when is the second time she says "14 and 'best friends.'"

There isn't. But although I brought it up, that she could refer to herself and Max with the age, it is not that clear, whom she is refering to. The subtitle could be read as she was refering to her and Max, The pronounciation of the voice acting sugguest that she is referin to her and Rachel, though.
She first talked about Rachel, how she was her angel and saved her. Then Max said, she didn't know. Chloe then answered, Max didn't make much effort to find out. Then she pauses and continues with her being 14 and being best friends in a different tone. Judging by the voice acting after the pause she also could have continued the though, why Rachel was her angel.

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Chloe is a year older than max, they were never 14 together. Rachel and Chloe were 14 together. Case closed.

(Chloe - March 1994; Max - September 1995), there is no way that they would have been aged 14 at the same time. Chloe would have turned 15 six months before Max turned 14.

I win.

[Savager]

There is also one thing that bothers me but I am not 100% sure of it. When Warren and Nathan fight on parking lot, Chloe says in a car something like this "your friend sure took a beating" but in Before The Storm we can see class picture and on that picture is Chloe with Warren in same class, so in BtS they know each other but in LiS they seem more like a strangers.

[CZBGR Icepick]

Originally posted by ĐĐ Savager:

There is also one thing that bothers me but I am not 100% sure of it. When Warren and Nathan fight on parking lot, Chloe says in a car something like this "your friend sure took a beating" but in Before The Storm we can see class picture and on that picture is Chloe with Warren in same class, so in BtS they know each other but in LiS they seem more like a strangers.

They might as well be strangers, but that doesnt mean Chloe has to acknowledge that he was Warren. Warren might as well have been a freshman in BtS Ep1, so its not likely she does know him well. It was safer to presume he was Max's friend than directly mentioning his name if she was thinking he was someone else. Remember, it's not long for Chloe's stay at Blackwell since she gets expelled. Besides that, the one freshman Chloe does know is Samantha, but not even they are in the same classes together. Most of the freshmen barely know Chloe as well, only going by rumors.

[Vashta Stampede]

Originally posted by Ringo Starr:

Originally posted by Prinegon:

There isn't. But although I brought it up, that she could refer to herself and Max with the age, it is not that clear, whom she is refering to. The subtitle could be read as she was refering to her and Max, The pronounciation of the voice acting sugguest that she is referin to her and Rachel, though.
She first talked about Rachel, how she was her angel and saved her. Then Max said, she didn't know. Chloe then answered, Max didn't make much effort to find out. Then she pauses and continues with her being 14 and being best friends in a different tone. Judging by the voice acting after the pause she also could have continued the though, why Rachel was her angel.

Video of the discussion

Chloe is a year older than max, they were never 14 together. Rachel and Chloe were 14 together. Case closed.

(Chloe - March 1994; Max - September 1995), there is no way that they would have been aged 14 at the same time. Chloe would have turned 15 six months before Max turned 14.

I win.

Failure comes easy for you doesn't it? Remember I said pay attention, Chloe says "I was 14." Jury should disregard the previous comment as irrelevant and erroneous.

[Vashta Stampede]

Originally posted by ĐĐ Savager:

There is also one thing that bothers me but I am not 100% sure of it. When Warren and Nathan fight on parking lot, Chloe says in a car something like this "your friend sure took a beating" but in Before The Storm we can see class picture and on that picture is Chloe with Warren in same class, so in BtS they know each other but in LiS they seem more like a strangers.

That photo and the idea that those students were at Blackwell at that time is a real plot hole. Do the math and you'll see that Warren and company should be in 8th grade for the current (09-10) school year.

[Vashta Stampede]

Originally posted by Phobia:

Originally posted by Prinegon:

There isn't. But although I brought it up, that she could refer to herself and Max with the age, it is not that clear, whom she is refering to. The subtitle could be read as she was refering to her and Max, The pronounciation of the voice acting sugguest that she is referin to her and Rachel, though.
She first talked about Rachel, how she was her angel and saved her. Then Max said, she didn't know. Chloe then answered, Max didn't make much effort to find out. Then she pauses and continues with her being 14 and being best friends in a different tone. Judging by the voice acting after the pause she also could have continued the though, why Rachel was her angel.

Video of the discussion

I took it as she meant her and MAX were best friends based on sentence structure.

The couple of sentences are literally this:

Max says, "I had no idea."
Chloe says, "You never made much of an effort to find out. I was 14, we were best friends."

The subject of these specific two lines is Max. The line before that was about Rachel, but this changed the subject to Max.

Max then gets two options: "So Rachel took my place" or "I never forgot." "So Rachel took my place," is a direct response to "We were best friends" as in things changed because Max didn't keep in touch and thus it's the past tense of their friendship. Which is how I take Chloe saying, "We were best friends" as in past tense for Max.

"I never forgot," is a direct response to "You never made much of an effort to find out."

I've played played through the game a few times and I never have taken that to mean Rachel at that moment. If it does actually mean that, it's poorly written.

It's kinda like saying, "I really love my car. The color is red, it's really awesome." Is awesome describing the car or the color?" If I mean the car, that's horrible way to write it.

(Thanks for the video...makes it much more helpfull to see and hear it)

Thank you, I felt the same way about the responses pointing you the subject, but couldn't find the phrasing I wanted.

[Savager]

Originally posted by Bofadeese:

Originally posted by ĐĐ Savager:

There is also one thing that bothers me but I am not 100% sure of it. When Warren and Nathan fight on parking lot, Chloe says in a car something like this "your friend sure took a beating" but in Before The Storm we can see class picture and on that picture is Chloe with Warren in same class, so in BtS they know each other but in LiS they seem more like a strangers.

That photo and the idea that those students were at Blackwell at that time is a real plot hole. Do the math and you'll see that Warren and company should be in 8th grade for the current (09-10) school year.

Exactly its really strange if they were at the same class or the same year that would mean Max would not be with Victoria in class and Warren would be much older.

[BloodySin]

What Chloe says in the "You never made much of an effort to find out. I was 14, we were best friends" line has an impled sorta "We were supposed to be best friends at least" in the tone she uses. It feels accusatory, salting the wound on how Max left her behind and broke contact and so obviously had no idea about all that.

[Prinegon]

Originally posted by Ringo Starr:

(Chloe - March 1994; Max - September 1995), there is no way that they would have been aged 14 at the same time. Chloe would have turned 15 six months before Max turned 14.

I win.

Sorry, but WHY again did you win?

Chloe: I was 14. We were friends.

I fail to see, that in one point this discussion Chloe claimed, that Max and her were 14 together.

[Doesnotcompute83]

Originally posted by Arash Price:

It's the dontnod's fault... they messed up with birthday's date of characters
For example rachel amber and mark jefferson

Originally posted by Phobia:

Originally posted by Prinegon:

There isn't. But although I brought it up, that she could refer to herself and Max with the age, it is not that clear, whom she is refering to. The subtitle could be read as she was refering to her and Max, The pronounciation of the voice acting sugguest that she is referin to her and Rachel, though.
She first talked about Rachel, how she was her angel and saved her. Then Max said, she didn't know. Chloe then answered, Max didn't make much effort to find out. Then she pauses and continues with her being 14 and being best friends in a different tone. Judging by the voice acting after the pause she also could have continued the though, why Rachel was her angel.

Video of the discussion

I took it as she meant her and MAX were best friends based on sentence structure.

The couple of sentences are literally this:

Max says, "I had no idea."
Chloe says, "You never made much of an effort to find out. I was 14, we were best friends."

The subject of these specific two lines is Max. The line before that was about Rachel, but this changed the subject to Max.

Max then gets two options: "So Rachel took my place" or "I never forgot." "So Rachel took my place," is a direct response to "We were best friends" as in things changed because Max didn't keep in touch and thus it's the past tense of their friendship. Which is how I take Chloe saying, "We were best friends" as in past tense for Max.

"I never forgot," is a direct response to "You never made much of an effort to find out."

I've played played through the game a few times and I never have taken that to mean Rachel at that moment. If it does actually mean that, it's poorly written.

It's kinda like saying, "I really love my car. The color is red, it's really awesome." Is awesome describing the car or the color?" If I mean the car, that's horrible way to write it.

(Thanks for the video...makes it much more helpfull to see and hear it)

Kudos to Prinegon for the vid, but after watching it twice (the first time since my brain associated the "We were best friends to Max" and the second time to see why my brain associated it to Max), the reason why it is towards Max and not Rachel because the setence before it, which is "You never made much of an effort to find out."


To connect it to Max, she says "You never made much of an effort to found out. I was 14. We were best friends." Chloe doesn't change the subject to Rachel during that line of dialogue. If she was talking about Rachel, the sentence structure would be written as "You never made much of an effort to found out. I was 14, Rachel and I were friends". However, that wouldn't make any sense since Chloe is talking about how when she was 14 and they were best friends, Max didn't really make an effor t to contact her.

[Doesnotcompute83]

Originally posted by CZBGR Icepick:

Originally posted by Doesnotcompute83:

http://life-is-strange.wikia.com/wiki/Inconsistencies

That reminds me. They screwed up the links on the fan wiki the other day, but I ended up seeing that page. Weird inconsistencies involving Victoria, which I haven't verified, but what bothers me is they were counting the fact that Mark Jefferson was not in Blackwell in BtS, despite what she says in LIS1.

Other than the fact they only had two sources, one being ripped off the Facebook discussion, I find that this could also be contradicted by what Drew said to Nathan after Chloe defused the fight, suggesting his employment at Blackwell was at this time.

Then there's your whole weird talk about some people not recognizing Chloe. Well, she changed her hair and got tattoos. I would say that throws off some people, depending on her previous interaction with them.

EDIT: the wiki also neglected to mention Victoria's ambitions on joining the Vortex Club. Apparently at this time, the club was originally supposed to be what it was formed to be, until Victoria herself announced she had an agenda to change that as a club for elites. Wow.

The notion about the students from LIS suddenly knowing Chloe during the events of BTS is quite odd indeed. It was bothering me for a bit during my first playthrough of BTS. Justin didn't know Chloe too well during LIS, yet does in BTS. Maybe he smoked a lot of weed and ding his head during skateboarding that he had forgotten a lot about Chloe.

For me, my minor gripe about BTS is how it establishes that the word "Hella" came from Rachel, who was from Long Beach, California. For those not aware, Long Beach is in Southern California and the word isn't a California slang as it is really a Northern California slang. It is odd considering the word is a regional slang used often in Northern California, which spread its way to the Portland area and around it near Oregon. Chloe should know the word just because she lives in Oregon. I guess I am bias considering that I live next to Oakland (where the word came from) in Northern California, but I don't think anyone in Southern California uses the word. If they do, it wouldn't be as often as those in Northern California. EDT: According to wikipedia, Southern Californians know the word, but they rarely use it and when they do use it, it is sometimes to mock the dialect used in Northern Califronia.

Hella is an American slang term that originated in East Oakland, California, but has since spread to become native slang to all of northern California.[1] It is used as an adverb such as in "hella bad" or "hella good" and was eventually added to the Oxford English Dictionary in 2002.[1][2] It is possibly a contraction of the phrase "hell of a" or "hell of a lot [of]", in turn reduced to "hell of",[2] though some scholars doubt this etymology since its grammatical usage does not align with those phrases.[1] It often appears in place of the words "really", "a lot", "totally", "very", and in some cases, "yes". Whereas hell of a is generally used with a noun, according to linguist Pamela Munro, hella is primarily used to modify an adjective such as "good".[3]

According to lexicographer Allan A. Metcalf, the word is a marker of northern California dialect.[4] According to Colleen Cotter, "Southern Californians know the term ... but rarely use it." Sometimes the term grippa is used to mock "NorCal" dialect, with the actual meaning being the opposite of hella.[5]

Deck 9, move your ass and fixed this mistake. LOL
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hella

[Palatine Katinka]

Originally posted by Ringo Starr:

Originally posted by Prinegon:

Video of the discussion

Chloe is a year older than max, they were never 14 together. Rachel and Chloe were 14 together. Case closed.

(Chloe - March 1994; Max - September 1995), there is no way that they would have been aged 14 at the same time. Chloe would have turned 15 six months before Max turned 14.

I win.

I left the link to the video of the conversation in for convenience. Watch it and you'll see that Chloe didn't say we were 14, she said I was 14. Max & Rachel's ages are irrelevant.

Plus "I win.", come on! We should be here to have a civil discussion and discover the facts to help us understand the narrative. It shouldn't be about trying to get one up on your fellow fans.

Originally posted by Doesnotcompute83:

The notion about the students from LIS suddenly knowing Chloe during the events of BTS is quite odd indeed. It was bothering me for a bit during my first playthrough of BTS. Justin didn't know Chloe too well during LIS, yet does in BTS. Maybe he smoked a lot of weed and ding his head during skateboarding that he had forgotten a lot about Chloe.

That's actually something that bugged me in LiS originally. People (real people, players) would mention that Justin and Chloe were friends because she says she'll go catch up with him in episode 4 but seemed to forget that in episode 1 she was nothing more than "The blue haired chick that hung out with Rachel" to him. Doesn't sound like much of a friendship to me. Then again it seemed weird that no one would know her in such a small town when so many students would hang out in The Two Whales and certainly knew David. All I can think is that once she was expelled she retreated into Rachel's shadow and a case of "out of sight, out of mind" took over and people stopped paying attention to her, ultimately forgetting about her.

[Doesnotcompute83]

Originally posted by Palatine Katinka:

Originally posted by Ringo Starr:

Chloe is a year older than max, they were never 14 together. Rachel and Chloe were 14 together. Case closed.

(Chloe - March 1994; Max - September 1995), there is no way that they would have been aged 14 at the same time. Chloe would have turned 15 six months before Max turned 14.

I win.

I left the link to the video of the conversation in for convenience. Watch it and you'll see that Chloe didn't say we were 14, she said I was 14. Max & Rachel's ages are irrelevant.

Plus "I win.", come on! We should be here to have a civil discussion and discover the facts to help us understand the narrative. It shouldn't be about trying to get one up on your fellow fans.

Originally posted by Doesnotcompute83:

The notion about the students from LIS suddenly knowing Chloe during the events of BTS is quite odd indeed. It was bothering me for a bit during my first playthrough of BTS. Justin didn't know Chloe too well during LIS, yet does in BTS. Maybe he smoked a lot of weed and ding his head during skateboarding that he had forgotten a lot about Chloe.

That's actually something that bugged me in LiS originally. People (real people, players) would mention that Justin and Chloe were friends because she says she'll go catch up with him in episode 4 but seemed to forget that in episode 1 she was nothing more than "The blue haired chick that hung out with Rachel" to him. Doesn't sound like much of a friendship to me. Then again it seemed weird that no one would know her in such a small town when so many students would hang out in The Two Whales and certainly knew David. All I can think is that once she was expelled she retreated into Rachel's shadow and a case of "out of sight, out of mind" took over and people stopped paying attention to her, ultimately forgetting about her.

I feel that LIS has more plotholes than BTS, which people just overlooked because of how great LIS is. I also thought Arcadia Bay being a traditional private highschool in BTS was a retconned until one of the developers here said it was mentioned in episode 3 of the original game. However, reading the wikia, it was indeed a retcon since the only thing I recall from LIS is how the school didn't have a lot of funding and the weird LIS plothole that some of the characters have been at Blackwell longer than the other characters. Unless someone can point it out to me, I don't call episode 3 of LIS saying that Blackwell used to be a highschool with 4 grades lvls.

The whole notion of Chloe and Max being in the same grade is odd since Chloe was born a year earlier than Max.