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[Lunch Box1912]

I want to talk about the women in the park. What does everyone think? Is this Chloe?

[Phil UK 87]

Edit: So I think the woman in the park is Justin's mom, who I think is called Ansia Williams. Here's all the evidence I've found so far, with links to a playthrough on YouTube:

Blackwell class photo showing full name of each student

Conversation between Chloe and Skip about Justin's mom:
Skip: I did ask Justin Williams's mom to move her Mercedes out of handicapped parking.
Chloe: Badass.
Skip: Yeah, you know how I roll.
Chloe: So, you spending a lot of quality time with Justin's mom?
Skip: Haha, no, but if you see Justin ... (something about Justin smelling of weed)

AW + BW marking on tree
AW + OL marking on tree

"Ansia" written on Rachel's hand (it looks like it was actually on Chloe's hand)

There are a couple other students with surname beginning with W, but I think Justin's mom is the only one mentioned in the game.

Possible hole in the theory: Rachel might have met Justin's mom but doesn't seem to recognise her. Maybe Chloe would recognise her too.

Another hole in the theory: "ansia" was written on Chloe's hand, not Rachel's, and it might not even be a name because it's not capitalised. See the following video for more info - they suggest Chloe could have written the name subconsciously after something was communicated to her in the dream: link

Either way the story is a lot deeper than I could have imagined.


Original post:

I was going to start a thread about her, but this will do :). I think the "AW + someone" markings on the trees are her and someone else. Her name begins with A but I forget what it was, Rachel wrote it on her hand, maybe someone can remind me what the name is.

If you look at both of those markings on the trees you notice it's AW + a different person, and Chloe comments on AW's lack of commitment, which I think hints at what is going on between this woman and Rachel's dad. Also in the ending cutscenes we see her still hanging around in the park even while everything is on fire, so she seems to like hanging out there at the very least (which would make sense if the markings on the trees were done by her).

Now this makes me want to go and play through that scene again and do a bit of detective work...

[Phil UK 87]

Before anyone else beats me to it, I think she is Justin's mom: A Williams. Now I need to find what her first name was.

[Sten]

Shes the spirit of the forest and rachel just released her from her prison when she started the wildfire. just like Pirates of the carribean at worlds end

[Phil UK 87]

Ansia Williams. Now I'll see if I can find all the evidence to support this theory. It's like that part in the first LiS where you have to build up all the evidence to find the dark room :)

[CZBGR Icepick]

Originally posted by Phil UK 87:

Ansia Williams. Now I'll see if I can find all the evidence to support this theory. It's like that part in the first LiS where you have to build up all the evidence to find the dark room :)

That is interesting. I didn't put the two together, but now the writing on Rachel's hand makes sense. But there's a continuity error when that disappears after the first time I saw it. Symbolic, perhaps?

[AstralApophis]

Holy hell you dive deep. This is badass though!

[CZBGR Icepick]

But on the other hand, I can't see her as Justin's Mom. She looks totally.....different. The dress threw me off.

[Lunch Box1912]

What about the tattoo thats looks alot like Chloes though? I honestly thought perhaps it was her. This story is tied to time travel.

[Phil UK 87]

Ok here's all the evidence I've found so far, with links to a playthrough on YouTube:

Blackwell class photo showing full name of each student

Conversation between Chloe and Skip about Justin's mom:
Skip: I did ask Justin Williams's mom to move her Mercedes out of handicapped parking.
Chloe: Badass.
Skip: Yeah, you know how I roll.
Chloe: So, you spending a lot of quality time with Justin's mom?
Skip: Haha, no, but if you see Justin ... (something about Justin smelling of weed)

AW + BW marking on tree
AW + OL marking on tree

"Ansia" written on Rachel's hand

Edit: There are a couple other students with surname beginning with W, but I think Justin's mom is the only one mentioned in the game.

[CZBGR Icepick]

Originally posted by Lunch Box1912:

What about the tattoo thats looks alot like Chloes though? I honestly thought perhaps it was her. This story is tied to time travel.

Not the same tattoo, I believe. Certainly the fact that she has that may make one think of the connection.

[Excrucian]

Well as I pointed out on a similar topic (and because I love theories, detective work and waiting for the next episode is eating me from the inside out) for some reason the women struck me (and some other ppl too) as the homeless women from LiS.

Now the woman in white has a tattoo palette that looks earily like the one Chloe will have later. However, not the same arm. Chloe's on the right while mystery woman on the left. Also, I cannot remember if the homeless women had long or short sleeves but don't remember seeing such a colorful tattoo on her.

The really "annoying" detail about the mystery woman though is how she stays in a burning forest, smoking and giving a genuine smile of content as if "everything is going according to plan". Wheter that plan is a super intricate time loop quantum thing that would make you go around screaming "Al! Al? What is going on here?" like a crazy person or it's just some personnal vendetta or she's just a psycho we'll have to wait to find out :)

[CZBGR Icepick]

Originally posted by Excrucian:

The really "annoying" detail about the mystery woman though is how she stays in a burning forest, smoking and giving a genuine smile of content as if "everything is going according to plan".

I just covered that in another thread:

I just had a funky feeling that she is comparable to Charal, a Nightsister. A geeky Star Wars reference, if that jogs your memory (the raven reference makes a strong connection).

I was likening the woman to a witch. She has that look about her. I don't know about the tattoo's presence, but the dress was out of place. When I first saw her, I thought of a really young girl. Maybe not underage, but really young, because of the dress. But since I couldn't really see her face, I couldn't tell. At first impression of that, I was thinking "Little Miss Muffet" type. But then SIlence of the Lambs ruined it for me. Anyway, Bo Peep is not who she appears to be.

[Phil UK 87]

I've just thought of a possible hole in my theory - Justin says he has spent a significant amount of time with Rachel - she was tutoring him. So, it's likely Rachel has met his mom and would have recognised her. However she does not seem to recognise this woman, referring to her as "that woman" when revealing everything to Chloe at the end. I think she would have mentioned it was Justin's mom if she knew. Hmmm....

I might need to look back at the original game - I remember there was a conversation in the diner with Justin.

[CZBGR Icepick]

Originally posted by Phil UK 87:

I've just thought of a possible hole in my theory - Justin says he has spent a significant amount of time with Rachel - she was tutoring him. So, it's likely Rachel has met his mom and would have recognised her. However she does not seem to recognise this woman, referring to her as "that woman" when revealing everything to Chloe at the end. I think she would have mentioned it was Justin's mom if she knew. Hmmm....

I might need to look back at the original game - I remember there was a conversation in the diner with Justin.

I don't think it's entirely a hole. "That woman" would be a specific reference to her because after the initial shock, she lost respect. If this is the case and this is Justin's mom, it does explain Rachel's behavior towards Chloe at that moment they saw her and her dad k-i-s-s-i-n-g under a tree. She would know who it is, but she never explicitly said it. The writing on the hand may be the giveaway.

[Excrucian]

[/quote] I was likening the woman to a witch. She has that look about her. I don't know about the tattoo's presence, but the dress was out of place. When I first saw her, I thought of a really young girl. Maybe not underage, but really young, because of the dress. But since I couldn't really see her face, I couldn't tell. At first impression of that, I was thinking "Little Miss Muffet" type. But then SIlence of the Lambs ruined it for me. Anyway, Bo Peep is not who she appears to be. [/quote]

Well if we're going down witchcraft we could also throw in it's one of MacBeth's Weird Sister. She would be messing everything up like in the play. ;) Not badmouthing what you said or anything :)