*Spoiler* Raven Theory?

[Familial Dysautosis]

So ive seen threads hitting on this, but never really focusing on it, so i figured id make one.

The Raven. As said in the game ( plaque in overlook) , It symbolizes transformation, "Its grinning face betrays its trickster nature", and "Its to be respected, never trusted."

I find this weirdly out of place. But then again, maybe not.

Rachel has a grinning, smiling face almost the whole time, but then, as soon as something goes wrong, such as the "viewfinder", she transforms almost into this, entirely new person. Not to mention we see a raven very often in this story. Is that a coincidence? Plus, Rachel has a feather in her ear! Grant it, its not a raven feather, but the coincidences are too many to ignore. Also, the scream Rachel did at the end. It sounded weirdly animalistic, like reminicint of a bird. The next problem, is that in the end roll, a raven appears to Frank, and then flies to "The mistress". It appears to no one else. The only connection I see between Frank, and the "Mistress", is that they help shape Rachel. The women "ruins" Rachels family life, and we know Fran kand Rachel get conencted at some point. I dont know, maybe im looking too deep but it just seemed weird to me.
Final note, Rachel herself NEVER told Chloe that she was hanging with Frank. Hid it entirely. Trickster, Never trusted?

If Max was the Doe, in the first game, Chloe has already ben established as the Butterfly, who is the raven? Rachel? I think so. There has to be something more to her we arent seeing. Some other angle.

I personally loved this episode, and it gave ma a lot of fuel for thought.

Respected but never trusted, respected but never trusted...

PS, dont be afriad to talk, Id like input from lots of people. Lets discuss!

[Cmdo.Delta]

All make sense... Rachel seems to have a way darker side than we could expect... as Chloe mention close to the end of episode, Rachel looks like the perfect teen girl with good grades, loved by everyone... but it seems like that in fact, she is just acting... and she is hiding her true feelings inside.. and maybe what we could learn about her in the next episodes could surprise us alot more than we could imagine... especially if we consider what happened to her in the original game...

[tomix9tomix]

See, the thing is, even after season 1 who the animals represent is still very unclear.
My opinion is...

Blue Jay= Chloe, max has to save it's life over and over again using time travel as it continue to get itself killed

Doe= Max, not too sure about this, but this is Max if Rachel is butterfly

Butterfly= Max or Rachel. The Butterfly 'flaps' its wings and causes an avalanche. So the butterfly is whoever caused the Storm. Was it Max for saving Chloe, or something a bit more interesting, is the butterfly Rachel because Rachel has powers to do with manipulating natural effects, and causes the storm from beyond the grave as an attempt to get Chloe to join her. This however is a bit far fetched, because it means that the theory that Rachel can manipulate weather is true and that they planned this back in Season 1.

So who is the Raven? Not too sure tbh. I think we might have to wait a bit, but maybe it is the mysterious woman with Rachel's dad? Also it is probably worth considering that maybe these animals don't represent people but themes used in the story

[Familial Dysautosis]

Originally posted by tomix9tomix:

See, the thing is, even after season 1 who the animals represent is still very unclear.
My opinion is...

Blue Jay= Chloe, max has to save it's life over and over again using time travel as it continue to get itself killed

Doe= Max, not too sure about this, but this is Max if Rachel is butterfly

Butterfly= Max or Rachel. The Butterfly 'flaps' its wings and causes an avalanche. So the butterfly is whoever caused the Storm. Was it Max for saving Chloe, or something a bit more interesting, is the butterfly Rachel because Rachel has powers to do with manipulating natural effects, and causes the storm from beyond the grave as an attempt to get Chloe to join her. This however is a bit far fetched, because it means that the theory that Rachel can manipulate weather is true and that they planned this back in Season 1.

So who is the Raven? Not too sure tbh. I think we might have to wait a bit, but maybe it is the mysterious woman with Rachel's dad? Also it is probably worth considering that maybe these animals don't represent people but themes used in the story

Shoot i forgot all about the blue jay. Highly possible, I forgot. Wow thats good, so if the "mistress" is the Raven, that could make sense. But I feel like if anything, Max wouls be the butterfly then right? Because she single handedly changes everything, so would that make Rachel the Doe? I dont know. im not saying im 100% right, that s why I made this thread, I wanted to see other ppls opinions, thanks for your input

[Cmdo.Delta]

Raven seems more like a ... evil character.. I dont think it's one of the 3 (Max, Chloe or Rachel). Ravens are usually sign of bad luck aren't they? or a bad omen... If it's one of the main characters then I would more say it's Rachel because of what happens to her in original story. But in original game, we already had 3 animals probably bound to the 3 characters so it's more likely that the raven is another person and not a good one.

Or one of the 3 animals in first game is not bind to Rachel but to another person.

I would say Max is butterfly because of her power... Arent butterflies known for butterfly effect? Isn't this as weird as Max power? A butterfly that could cause a storm with a "flap"? I mean, it's totaly surreal just as the ability to rewind time.

[Familial Dysautosis]

New development, Me and my gf just listen again to the scream Rachel did at the end. It sounded weirdly animalistic, like reminicint of a bird. The next problem, is that in the end roll, a raven appears to Frank, and then flies to "The mistress". It appears to no one else. The only connection I see between Frank, and the "Mistress", is that they help shape Rachel. The women "ruins" Rachels family life, and we know Fran kand Rachel get conencted at some point. I dont know, maybe im looking too deep but it just seemed weird to me.

[Solid Gamer]

Doe = Rachel (I knew it already in episode 1-2, since I wrote it in forum, no one wanna belive me, but it was true)

Butterfly = must be Chloe, looks at her hair color

Raven = must be Chloe's dad

After second dream sequence with dad, Chloe go away from junk yard and you can see flying Raven, like her dad fly away and say goodbye, faraway, bon yuoage!

[Familial Dysautosis]

Originally posted by Solid Gamer:

Doe = Rachel (I knew it already in episode 1-2, since I wrote it in forum, no one wanna belive me, but it was true)

Butterfly = must be Chloe, looks at her hair color

Raven = must be Chloe's dad

After second dream sequence with dad, Chloe go away from junk yard and you can see flying Raven, like her dad fly away and say goodbye, faraway, bon yuoage!

My only argument, is the raven appeared NOT in the first dream sequence, but instead only appears RIGHT before we see Rachel on the side of the road.

[Cmdo.Delta]

Originally posted by Solid Gamer:

Doe = Rachel (I knew it already in episode 1-2, since I wrote it in forum, no one wanna belive me, but it was true)

Butterfly = must be Chloe, looks at her hair color

Raven = must be Chloe's dad

After second dream sequence with dad, Chloe go away from junk yard and you can see flying Raven, like her dad fly away and say goodbye, faraway, bon yuoage!

Don't you prefer to have Chloe as blue jay? Hair color aswell would fit.. butterfly more likely to be max because of the incredible butterfly effect which is as surrealist as Max power to rewind time.

[Familial Dysautosis]

Doe totems syimbolize the power to deal with amounting chellenges with grace, and master the art of being determined and gentle. That sounds an AWFUL lot like Max...

[Cmdo.Delta]

Originally posted by Familial Dysautosis:

Doe totems syimbolize the power to deal with amounting chellenges with grace, and master the art of being determined and gentle. That sounds an AWFUL lot like Max...

Do you remember that there is a totem in the original game aswell!

[Familial Dysautosis]

Butterfly symbolizes rebirth, or transformation as well. If Chloe is the Butterfly, is that why Rachel and Chloe are connected?

[Cmdo.Delta]

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[DerHyphon]

In general ravens are a sign for rebirth, regeneration, renewal and acting as adviser.

In the old nordic folklore Odin posses two ravens named Huginn and Muninn, serving him as kind of spies. Telling him all the news from the world and acting literarry as his eyes and ears.

The old Roman folklore Juno, goddess of the marriage, is connected to ravens.

In the native american folklore, particulary in the north western tribes, the raven stands for creation of the world and hanged up all the stars and the sun.

[Familial Dysautosis]

Originally posted by Hyphon:

In general ravens are a sign for rebirth, regeneration, renewal and acting as adviser. in the middle-age they were a sign

In the old nordic folklore Odin posses two ravens named Huginn and Muninn, serving him as kind of spies. Telling him all the news from the world and acting literarry as his eyes and ears.

The old Roman folklore Juno, goddess of the marriage, is connected to ravens.

In the native american folklore, particulary in the north western tribes, the raven stands for creation of the world and hanged up all the stars and the sun.

See thats where it gets interesting, because I looked that up too, and the games "definition" of what raven stands for, is STARKLY opposite of whats most instances say...

[Cmdo.Delta]

Originally posted by Hyphon:

In general ravens are a sign for rebirth, regeneration, renewal and acting as adviser. in the middle-age they were a sign

In the old nordic folklore Odin posses two ravens named Huginn and Muninn, serving him as kind of spies. Telling him all the news from the world and acting literarry as his eyes and ears.

The old Roman folklore Juno, goddess of the marriage, is connected to ravens.

In the native american folklore, particulary in the north western tribes, the raven stands for creation of the world and hanged up all the stars and the sun.

Not only rebirth.. dont forget plague doctors were wearing masks really looking like crows.. and there were treating sickness (and real bad deadly disease, not a cold). I don't know if it's a matter of cultural background, but I always been thought that ravens were not a good sign lol. I guess there are multiple ways to see the thing. Maybe next episodes will bring some more evidences.