Co-op with the now reworked bots needs the reward system upgraded.

[PoP]

Yes I play co-op often, why because its enjoyable, and relaxing after playing random, ranked stressful games. I realize, and admit I am not a strong player. I do however deserve a place to play that I like such as co-op as do a number of other players.
Since the bots have been worked on over the last several patches they are really good now compared to when I started. The skill floor of the bots has been raised, but nothing done to rewards. We need the rewards increased now.
It would be nice to have the games matched as to skill level, but I don't see that ever happening.
So hey we co-op players need some goodys too.

[Donegali]

Sorry I disagree. You rarely lose a game, you don't need to use signals, camo or any premium consumables. What you are asking for is for PvE to become stronger than PvP in a PvP game. For the amount of effort needed for a co-op game, the rewards are ample.

[Ryuu]

The main game mode is random pvp, so luring too much players to other modes would be detrimental to game balance and matchmaking time :/

[PoP]

If PvP wasn't so broken I might not play as much PvE. If wargaming feels that way then fine I got lots of other games no sweat I and all the other co-ops can and will likely leave as for me I am gone as soon as my premium is gone.

[mystikmind2005]

Originally posted by PoP:

If PvP wasn't so broken I might not play as much PvE. If wargaming feels that way then fine I got lots of other games no sweat I and all the other co-ops can and will likely leave as for me I am gone as soon as my premium is gone.

I have been playing this game for two years and i can honestly say PVP never ceased to suck the whole time. I do get the feeling my purpose for being there is to boost the stats of elite players, and nothing more. Well, us average players DO want something more, so the PVP fanboys are going to have to get over it.

I would have been gone long ago if it were not for the weekly operations, that is the game mode i mostly play nowdays, and the rewards are much better than Co-op, you should try it out!

[PoP]

Lately I have started to play more operations, Co-op as random is so frustrating now. I guess the root issue I have is as you stated I am tired of being elite players fodder, and high stress random mode sillyness in general. I just want to play a RELAXING GAME that why I am here if WOW can't provide that I have 300+ other steam games to spend time on besides here if they don't want my bucks they will definatley go somewhere else.

[mystikmind2005]

Originally posted by PoP:

Lately I have started to play more operations, Co-op as random is so frustrating now. I guess the root issue I have is as you stated I am tired of being elite players fodder, and high stress random mode sillyness in general. I just want to play a RELAXING GAME that why I am here if WOW can't provide that I have 300+ other steam games to spend time on besides here if they don't want my bucks they will definatley go somewhere else.

The only thing that can make Co-op difficult is if your getting 'focussed' by the AI. Now when it comes to focus firing there is NOTHING more ruthless than the AI.... All those AI ships are all making the same calculations who to shoot at first and they do that with 'Borg' efficiency that no human team can match, so this is what you have to keep in mind....

So its the same basic strategy as PVP, you have to use the Islands to minimise how many enemy can fire at you at the same time and dont sail out into positions where they can all focus fire on you.

The other thing with the AI, is it will also chose a ship to focus fire based on the modules and flags you used!

Your sailing next to a freindly ship, which is the same model ship as yours. Lets say the only difference is you have a flag or module mounted that they do not.... AI is going to focus fire YOU and your freind will remain untouched. If there are 10 AI ships, all 10 AI ships will shoot at YOU, this is how the cuthroat basted AI works.

Edit: before i realised the above, i was getting an eye twitch from the persecution complex i was developing from the AI chasing and shooting at me all over the map and ignoring everyone else!!! hehehehe

[PoP]

I agree the bot ai when they focus fire is ruthless and you are going down I don't care what ship you are in unless you get to cover. My gripe with Co-op is rewards as I originally was talking about is that they are definately better playing bots now much more effective. Are they human equivelent no but much better than several patches ago. I find the rewards are not in line with the increase in bot ability is my gripe. I find the rewards are in general to little for PvE play as I see it now if they don't want or care about PvE players we will go. This game is really needing players as it is to survive and getting worse as for low ability players to have a place. If they want only elite non-paying players it is doomed to failure real fast as me a low capability player is had enough of the catering to that class. Sorry its just how I feel as I have wasted a ton of bucks yes it was my stupidity. and its going to end soon.

[mystikmind2005]

Originally posted by PoP:

I agree the bot ai when they focus fire is ruthless and you are going down I don't care what ship you are in unless you get to cover. My gripe with Co-op is rewards as I originally was talking about is that they are definately better playing bots now much more effective. Are they human equivelent no but much better than several patches ago. I find the rewards are not in line with the increase in bot ability is my gripe. I find the rewards are in general to little for PvE play as I see it now if they don't want or care about PvE players we will go. This game is really needing players as it is to survive and getting worse as for low ability players to have a place. If they want only elite non-paying players it is doomed to failure real fast as me a low capability player is had enough of the catering to that class. Sorry its just how I feel as I have wasted a ton of bucks yes it was my stupidity. and its going to end soon.

Reading your post, i think your main issue really is the slowness of the grind, and we all know that is a big issue, no one here will dissagree!

When you first start playing the game, there are quite allot of things happening to keep you interested, but after a certain period of time, you enter the 'doldrums' where there is just NOTHING happening and it drags on and on and on and on andonanoanaoanaoanaoanaoanon - most people just quit the game and move on to something else.

Wows definately need to find more ways to keep feeding people short term and medium term goals no matter what stage of the game you are at.

As for the rewards for co-op, personally i feel that they are not too far off being competative with Random, and the main reason is 'time'..... you can potentially play 3 or 4 Co-op games for every 1 Random game! And on top of that, a good winning result in a co-op battle, is not too far of, or even exceeding the rewards of a losing Random battle. And another thing, if you use valuable signals and Cameo in Co-op, your almost guarranteed to get a good payout from them, but in Random you have only a 50% chance of wasting all those valuable things.... so in view of that, you would be crazy to take valuable signals and cameo into Random!

(Actually, the best place for valuable signals and cameo are the weekly operations!)

[PoP]

You make me look at it more seriously, and I think you may have hit it on the head as my main troubles is the grind is really getting old LOL! Yes I think I probley would have gone sooner if not for WOWs deviously effective new things they keep luring me into. :) If they keep this up they may not get rid of me yet. Thanks for your reply it really seems to have come from one thats faced the same thing I'm dealing with now. Captain o7 andd thanks again....

[mystikmind2005]

Originally posted by PoP:

You make me look at it more seriously, and I think you may have hit it on the head as my main troubles is the grind is really getting old LOL! Yes I think I probley would have gone sooner if not for WOWs deviously effective new things they keep luring me into. :) If they keep this up they may not get rid of me yet. Thanks for your reply it really seems to have come from one thats faced the same thing I'm dealing with now. Captain o7 andd thanks again....

Hehehe, yea, everyone knows about the grind though! lol, not everyone appreciates that some players like me are just average players and always will be, but still, average players want to be more than damage points for Elite players, we do actually want to have 'fun' as well, as shocking and surprising as that may be! lol, so in my case, i dont do much PVP at all, (anymore) mostly i do the weekly operations.

[mystikmind2005]

Originally posted by Sarevok:

Originally posted by mystikmind2005:

PVP fanboys

It is a PvP game. So most people are "fanboys" by this logic. But it can't be true because fanboys are always represent a small group of extremely vocal people.

PvE is too easy to increase rewards. It is a target practice in which it is pretty hard to lose. Most losses happen when people do various challenges needed for rewards or use weird ships (for them, not in general) or incorrect strategies for their ships just for fun.

As far as i am aware, the term 'fanboys' has no numerical association attached to it.
And with the weekly operations, the game has evolved to be far more than just PVP, and i much appreciate it!, otherwise, like i said, i would have been gone a long time ago.

[PoP]

Agreed I think WOW may be seeing the bigger picture finally, and opening more avenues of play for all.

[imrahil2]

Nope, even with the improved AI, its still easy to win. In fact many matches end with the human side losing 1 or less ships and the mercy rule being invoked.

[rzimmer]

Ever get a CO-OP battle where u are the only non bot on the team, YUP it happened to me. Focus Fire -- I was sunk so fast my torps weren't loadded yet. So I watched the rest of the battle just to see how it played out, and it was cv vs cv and my team lost.

[Firewalk]

I can live with the rewards coop gives, but I'd like to see more tasks being allowed in it. It feels weird having to play an AA build in PVP hoping that eventually a CV will show up so I get around to shooting down planes. Thing is, unless I play in a division, I rarely use AA builds at all, because it feels 50% of my ship is useless when no CV shows up.

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