Post-Battle Cost For Tier 10, A Suggestion

[Mrthekid]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1666930778

Hello everyone, I wanted to share an image and an idea with you.
As you can see service cost: 325k, Credits: 425k(bysurviving the game) I have Clan bonus (it was around -5% or -15% I guess), and + 20% flag + premium (I guess it provides +50% credit), What i would like to stress is there is a huge cost and I guess without premium, only premium camo won't be enough to decrease the cost.

At level 6 you can earn 300k+ from a single battle so far as i heard this cost and decrease in Credits are supposed to prevent people farm (makes totally sense) but a farmer can farm at tier 6 too. I think at least people without premium should earn a little at tier 10 (instead of loosing), not trying to say "we should win 300k+ per battle(which personally I can from a single tier 6 battle) but at least even we loose the game we shouldn't loose 200k per battle (yesterday i lost 7-8 wars in a raw and they costed me around 1.5m)

I don't think this is supposed to happen to the people who give their time in order to earn T10 ship and wish to have some quality time.

Repeating again, I have clan bonus (cost decrease around -5% or -15%, premium Credit +50%, and signal Credit +20%) and still I can loose 1.5m if things go wrong and unless I had premium I guess I would loose 3m and even I win I will loose credits(without premium) not considering flags or clan bonus,

MY SUGGESTION:
If you want to prevent farming (which can be done at even tier 4) with premium person should earn around 200k-500k(with everyhting considered) without premium earning should be around 150k-300k
But in both options Cost should be around 80k-160k (with service and ammunition cost) The best we loose should be 20k (without doing a single scratch to opponent) yess without premium.

[Sidian]

Цитата допису Mrthekid:

At level 6 you can earn 300k+ from a single battle so far as i heard this cost and decrease in Credits are supposed to prevent people farm (makes totally sense) but a farmer can farm at tier 6 too.

Yeah, that's working as intended. Wargaming wants players to lose credits at t9 and t10 and to farm credits at lower tiers (tier 5-7) to make up for it - unless you pay for a premium account or a premium camo.
By encouraging farming at these tiers, they want to make sure that the lower tiers are always populated enough.

[Mrthekid]

Yeah I'm aware of that they are working on that, yet I would like to express cause even with premium + signals + clan bonus when something goes wrong players loose credits even with these bonusses. And I want to buy premium camo but when my premium is expired that premium camo won't be enough (seems) and that might be the reason why demands are not at the expected level.

I think people without any bonusses should gain or loose (gain or loose: Max 50k not 200k), but with additions people should earn. Besides some folks are telling "people would farm" so what? You cannot buy ship without exp and in order to earn exp(if people have enough credits) they HAVE TO buy premium(as i did).

IMPORTANT:
- Yet of course I think even with premium + bonusses people shouldn't earn more than 300k per battle(which a person without bonusses but with premium can earn from a single tier 6 battle, but without any of them shouldn't earn/loose more than 50k(repeating) -

NOT IMPORTANT:
Addition: Although with my personal experiences i would suggest earning better than tier 6 (afteral tier 2 earns 70k+, tier 6 earns 300k+, tier 10 looses 200k+ seems quite wrong). Repeating again exp is the real currency here not credits, if you have unlimited credit but 0 exp you have to buy signals, premium, maybe camo, ... to earn that exp, If you have exp and don't have credit no worries play 2 days with tier 6 ships you'll earn x2 than required. ( But as is said I personally don't like playing 5-7 anymore).

Cheers mates :)

[Sidian]

Цитата допису Mrthekid:

I think people without any bonusses should gain or loose (gain or loose: Max 50k not 200k), but with additions people should earn. Besides some folks are telling "people would farm" so what? You cannot buy ship without exp and in order to earn exp(if people have enough credits) they HAVE TO buy premium(as i did).

As i said, high tier gameplay, especially at t10, is designed to cost credits to make people either farm those credits with lower tier ships (higher population at those tiers, which is good for the game) or to spend money (which is good for the developers).

Yes, even with premium you can lose credits when having bad matches, but on average you should get more than you lose.
And you can combine a premium account with the premium camo and earn money in basically every match unless you are afk or only deal about 10k damage or something like that.

Think about it: The -15% service cost from the clan, the -10% from the signal flag and the -50% from the t10 premium camo is already -75% service cost. You basically get the service cost of a t5 but with the income of t10.

And you can increase your income even further with the +20% credits signal flag. Or with the special signal flags that give you an other +175% credits combined. The premium camo provides an other +20% bonus at t10.

And as a carrier player, you don't even need to spend money for consumables, so the income also might be a bit lower to compensate for that (other ships need to pay like 60k-90k credits more per battle if they don't want to cripple themselves with worse consumables).

Цитата допису Mrthekid:

Repeating again exp is the real currency here not credits, if you have unlimited credit but 0 exp you have to buy signals, premium, maybe camo, ... to earn that exp, If you have exp and don't have credit no worries play 2 days with tier 6 ships you'll earn x2 than required.

You can't lose exp and normal exp is only useful on the ship you are earning it on (unless you pay money to convert it into free exp), so you can't make players who don't want to spend money farm exp in lower tiers to be able to affort high tier matches. Repeating again, the credit income is entirely designed to make players play in lower tiers or to make wargaming money. It doesn't matter that you also have to earn exp.

[Ryuu]

I suspect also that CV economy is not finalized yet. But yeah, they don't even have improved credit consumables.

[Mrthekid]

Цитата допису Sidian:

You can't lose exp and normal exp is only useful on the ship you are earning it on (unless you pay money to convert it into free exp),

Yes but the currency you are talking about is "dubloons" not credits, besides the higher tiers is being played means the higher quality of demand. Like in any online games, everybody goes for being the best and this behaviour is supported by the game.
@Ryuu yeah mate as expressed at your previous link It is observed changes will be performed in this area, but my ideas were just advices you know I don't mean any harm for either gameplay or users or even for developers. :) Just idea.

[Spalding]

i dont get you, your a good player, how do you manage to lose XP and xredits at tier 10 especially with premium and clan bonuses? and im not sure wg would thank you for nerfing one of their main income sources

[Mrthekid]

Цитата допису Spalding:

i dont get you, your a good player, how do you manage to lose XP and xredits at tier 10 especially with premium and clan bonuses? and im not sure wg would thank you for nerfing one of their main income sources

Mate I had so bad teams before :) it was like "I had to win" yet i lost several games in a row :))
By the way many thanks for compliment =)

[Ryuu]

Credits don't even depends on wins, only on performance :) With further balancing should improve but still either premium account or permacamo are required for reliable income on T10.

[Mrthekid]

Seems so, I've played with Hakuryu and dealt 89k damage (I need to get used to Hakuryu Style yeah I know) and I earned 220k credits and lost around 300k with signals, clan, prem, ... Sure we need to buy premium camo but to be honest I'm waiting for April Fools Camos :))