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Just to reiterate the above, if you state that you can "molest" (maybe try and find some better terminology btw) any BB or cruiser then you are sort of implying that there arent issues. And frankly if you have a bow on sniping match with someone then you are going to lose a lot of the time with your front 4x380mm guns at high tiers.
But as mentioned, this all came about due to some random guy making outrageous claims about the ship (including completely making some stuff up) which you in part backed up by claiming that it was evidence of powercreep. Noone is saying its bad. Its quite unusual (much like other dockyard ships) and possibly even above average for a T9 BB but its certainly not OP. Has to be said that a DD with that sort of torp armament would be extremely dangerous, but on a BB its really not comparable.
In case of cruisers, how you normally pick your targets? You probably focus one ship and try to kill it? or look at your targets and choose the best one to shoot at in the current circumstances at the time... which one is in the worst position, which one is focused by team, DD spotted, anyone broadsiding etc. Pick the targets wisely and leave the one you can't kill effectively for the last. Targeting priority.
You can effectively attack and deal enough damage to any kind of ship. 380 is enough to deal good damage to any kind of ship.
You basically think niord can't fight any other ship. Cuz 380 can't overmatch bow armor. By this logic, any ship that can't overmatch is useless. I believe you think this.
How tf it is back pedaling. It would be back pedaling if I were to say something like "well, uhh, yeah guns really can't do anything". You really think niord can't do anything with 380mm at T9.
You took what I wrote and change the meaning the way you wanted. Ignoring the point and change the meaning. (Edit: or it would be easy if molest be taken as pestering or harrassing, fk the energy I used so far)
"... 380mm will autobounce off most T8+ heavy cruiser extremities and pretty much all BB extremities with only a couple of exceptions."
Hence the term moe lest. Ofc bbs bounce APs but does that mean niord can't fight other bbs? +
I tried to further explain the metaphor with my other comment, said that those guns can still deliver good amount of damage and also said it is mutual with other cruisers but still you guys think the metaphor implies something else. Like those guns capable of straight up killing any cruiser... bruh. Would be understandable if I was to say "hit like a truck". Like montana or vermont guns.
>>>at this point I decided to ask the internet to see the meaning:
1.
sexually assault or abuse (a person, especially a child).
2. dated
pester or harass (someone) in an aggressive or persistent manner.
Motherfkn meaning has been changed. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. So the molest is the new R-word in the west. Cool. These two verbs totally one and the same now. Back when I was at high school learning english, 12 years ago, it was not dated, it is the first meaning. ANd since I'm not a westerner...
I really wish, this misunderstanding is clarified rn.
And no, English isn't my first language either. Nor have I ever lived in an English-speaking country (except on holiday for three weeks at most).
And one of your own paragraphs just now basically says: "You can't really solo fight just any other ship with these guns. But you can. But you can't. But you can."
If you can't see how that's a contradiction, there is no helping you I'm afraid.
Note also that Ace never claimed the main guns to be useless against targets. But them not being strong enough for you to win the fight if you take it in many cases.
Which in tactical terms means that you can't just go out and easily harass or even just annoy any ship you want. Because some of them will simply kill you if you try.
And yes. First claiming that you can just go and harass anything, then restricting that statement to having to choose the targets wisely? That is backpedaling. And don't even try to hide behind some made up excuse. They're not "lower priority targets", they are "targets that will kill you if you attack this way". That is not "lower priority", that is "avoid taking this fight".
Niord is a perfectly decent ship with a good working main battery. But it can't just send shells against any target it meets and hope to live. You stated that it could, it does not. You have to chose your engagements carefully with this ship to get good performance out of it. But if you do, you will be rewarded.
A shimakaze and most BBs can dev strike just about anything if they get a good Salvo off
And Cruisers are great at killing DDs when/if they see them.
A lot can still be considered rock paper scissors and thus saying "This kill doesn't amount to much." Is a bad way to look at things.
I dread DDs getting away with 1 hp and then torpedo-ing you for the rest of the game.
Already covered this, so no - your back-pedalling won't help you here either:
Gifting an enemy ship free Adrenaline Rush; free IRPR procs; free farm and often a free kill against you; and potentially free Unique Captain procs - in exchange for you doing easy-to-tank tickle-damage against them - is not "pestering or harassing" someone.
It is not "making their lives miserable" either.
It's helping your opponent, and their team, by wasting your ship through poor performance.
Shooting at completely different targets because you can't "molest ANY cruiser" and can't "fight any BB" due to the unfavourable match-ups isn't making the lives of the targets you're now deliberately refusing to shoot at "miserable" either.
So you're just plain wrong.
And trying to backpedal and water down and qualify what you said after-the-fact is just cowardly; as is trying to accuse other people of misrepresenting what you were very obviously and clearly trying to convey.
As other people have now pointed out to you too.
Quit trying to save face all the time, it's just backfiring on you.
I'm directly quoting you verbatim, so there's no point in trying to act like you didn't say the clear and specific things you typed out and that you keep inexplicably trying to double-down on.
It doesn't mean "play ineffectually in WoWS", which is how you were using it - so despite being ridiculous trying to tell the English what English words and phrases means, it's also irrelevant.
But none of this is relevant to the topic at hand. Fact remains (as explained at length above) is that you wont be "molesting", "harassing" or "irritating" a whole lot of targets in Niord's tier spread with those guns because those targets will be hitting your very low HP pool back much harder. Noone is disputing you can hit and damage your targets, but that doesnt mean that Bismarck guns at T9 are particularly good.
Which links us back to the start again. The initial poster wanted a refund since he feels the ship is weak. Someone else chimed in with "OMG ITS OP" and "POWERCREEP!" which you broadly agreed with. The reality is somewhere between the two opposing views. Its fine. Isnt terrible and isnt great. Fair enough?
About powercreep and else; you think it is not op, I think it is op. I think there's a trend of powercreep with newer ships, you don't. There's nothing much to go in deeper why it is or not. It's okay.
And its been explained at length why Niord is fine. Not good, not bad, just fine. You have failed to offer any cogent arguments for it being OP, and no 8x380mm guns at T9 are not that competitive. Yes, the torps are decent but arent as dangerous as they would be on a stealthier platform. Yes its quite fast but its hardly an outlier in that regard, and faster T9 BBs exist. Yes its quite tanky but no moreso than a lot of other similar ships, and the low health pool reduces its survivability.
But you think its OP despite all this. I ask again, have you played it? Really doesnt sound like you have.
If the school you went to used course material that was several decades out of date, that is not the fault of "Western countries". Nor is it strange to expect the school keeping at least halfway up to date, quite the contrary. It is very weird to the point of being outright neglectful and purposely sabotaging your education if they didn't. You do not get to shift the blame here.