No More Auto-Bans in Chat

[C4Warr10r]

I'm saying it here because somebody needs to say it where people can hear it. I have already been banned in chat once for using the shorthand term "♥♥♥" to describe my own warship and others. I got an email informing me that the term "♥♥♥" was racist, like anybody cares, and that I should use the term IJN instead.

Yes, because portraying the Japanese as Imperialist is SO helpful to political correctness. Never mind that it looks like UN to player in the middle of a fight. What UN ship, where?

I already made my compromise with that. I main a torpedo-boat Fubuki so it's not like I don't have time to just spell out the ship names, usually. I just took it as an opportunity to refine my play style. To look ahead so I'm not typing while a battle is going on.

But this time, I didn't even get any description of what I said wrong. Just that something I said at some point was offensive. So I went to ask in the port chat and I was advised to keep my mouth shut lest I draw unwanted attention. How about no?

I can be pretty stoic when I need to be, I'm a US Marine veteran, I can take all crap and more for ages if I have to, but not this, because these auto-bans also prevent people from giving compliments. There is no telling people "nice shot" or "great job", there is no saying anything at all, save bland and empty praise delivered impartially by a keyboard compliment. "Plays well" or "Good manners" What manners?

A lot of gaming involves trash-talk because games are just fantasy, they're a place where you can fight other people without actually fighting them. Even offensive speech is nothing more than a great way to get people motivated or make jokes. But this crap? This kind of auto-censorship? It seems like a real war on all of us. Get rid of it.

[Hiei]

Well I wouldn't say that just because it's a video game then automatically trash talk is just part of it. Although I guess I understand your point.
I don't know if I've ever been chat banned, or warned on any game.

[juujbee]

Where do you find those little hearts to put in there so I can get chat banned also

[EDGE]

yeah i get what you`re saying , did same at start of playing here , changed it to j,a,p,n , then went with ijn , just easier and without repercussions . also from Not wanting to offend several of our clan members.

not being able to ,in game, complement someone`s actions would be very annoying to me , a kind word goes So much further than the slagging off i see too often

[Lordcrafty]

couldn't you just use JPN if you're really against using IJN? I really don't get the point just because you can't say ♥♥♥ in chat, get over it. There's a chat ban system for a reason.

[Banzai]

I have heard of others who had this issue (filling in gaps for for term you used). Fix is to not use that term.

[5n4k3d0cToR]

Postat inițial de C4Warr10r:

I'm saying it here because somebody needs to say it where people can hear it. I have already been banned in chat once for using the shorthand term "♥♥♥" to describe my own warship and others. I got an email informing me that the term "♥♥♥" was racist, like anybody cares, and that I should use the term IJN instead.

Yes, because portraying the Japanese as Imperialist is SO helpful to political correctness. Never mind that it looks like UN to player in the middle of a fight. What UN ship, where?

I already made my compromise with that. I main a torpedo-boat Fubuki so it's not like I don't have time to just spell out the ship names, usually. I just took it as an opportunity to refine my play style. To look ahead so I'm not typing while a battle is going on.

But this time, I didn't even get any description of what I said wrong. Just that something I said at some point was offensive. So I went to ask in the port chat and I was advised to keep my mouth shut lest I draw unwanted attention. How about no?

I can be pretty stoic when I need to be, I'm a US Marine veteran, I can take all crap and more for ages if I have to, but not this, because these auto-bans also prevent people from giving compliments. There is no telling people "nice shot" or "great job", there is no saying anything at all, save bland and empty praise delivered impartially by a keyboard compliment. "Plays well" or "Good manners" What manners?

A lot of gaming involves trash-talk because games are just fantasy, they're a place where you can fight other people without actually fighting them. Even offensive speech is nothing more than a great way to get people motivated or make jokes. But this crap? This kind of auto-censorship? It seems like a real war on all of us. Get rid of it.

On that last paragraph... Fortunately/Unfortunately (depending on the way you view it) gaming chats these days for the most part, do not allow for the same amount of freedom banter-wise, as they used to (and one we are both used to coming from the Armed Forces background). Bans/monitoring etc. are here to stay, so best to adapt and overcome if you catch my drift :).

[Banzai]

Banter is fair, but using terms that some people might find offensive within that banter will attract sanctions/bans maybe. Not taking sides on this, tho suggest just talk to to people in game nicely and wont be an issue.

[FalterXV TTV]

Sounds like these rules here were violated :

(From the World of Warships Terms of Service quoted directly,)

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3.01. Excessive profanity and inappropriate language are not welcome. It is suggested to ensure that the censor filter is switched on. The censor filter is not an excuse to break the existing game and chat rules, and excessive profanity will still be sanctioned.

3.02. Typing in such a way to bypass the censor filter is prohibited.

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No matter your intention, rules are rules. Something you might not find offensive, someone else might. And, no matter how "pure" or honest your intent was, you did violate rules that are in the ToS and EULA that you signed and agreed to to play this game.

That's just how it be. While yes, you may be playing in the US where there is a freedom of speech, but that does not mean that that freedom of speech is "free of consequences."

Better to swallow your pride and wait your chat ban out rather than whining about it and refusing to accept that you were in the wrong without learning anything.


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IJN is actually fairly common practice to use to talk about the Japanese naval vessels. RN for the UK line, IB or KMS for German, etc. etc.

Fubuk, Buk, Buki, are all acceptable and commonplace abbreviations of your support ship you mentioned too.

[C4Warr10r]

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Sounds like these rules here were violated :

(From the World of Warships Terms of Service quoted directly,)

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3.01. Excessive profanity and inappropriate language are not welcome. It is suggested to ensure that the censor filter is switched on. The censor filter is not an excuse to break the existing game and chat rules, and excessive profanity will still be sanctioned.

3.02. Typing in such a way to bypass the censor filter is prohibited.

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No matter your intention, rules are rules. Something you might not find offensive, someone else might. And, no matter how "pure" or honest your intent was, you did violate rules that are in the ToS and EULA that you signed and agreed to to play this game.

That's just how it be. While yes, you may be playing in the US where there is a freedom of speech, but that does not mean that that freedom of speech is "free of consequences."

Better to swallow your pride and wait your chat ban out rather than whining about it and refusing to accept that you were in the wrong without learning anything.


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IJN is actually fairly common practice to use to talk about the Japanese naval vessels. RN for the UK line, IB or KMS for German, etc. etc.

Fubuk, Buk, Buki, are all acceptable and commonplace abbreviations of your support ship you mentioned too.

And now this guy is banned.

[Jackson]

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And now this guy is banned.

It was not related to that at all.

[C4Warr10r]

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Postat inițial de C4Warr10r:

And now this guy is banned.

It was not related to that at all.

Is should hope so. But can you blame me for observing that a guy posting the rules was banned when I have no idea why I was banned for in the first place?

[Jackson]

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It was not related to that at all.

Is should hope so. But can you blame me for observing that a guy posting the rules was banned when I have no idea why I was banned for in the first place?

Well, it wouldn't have crossed my mind. I can't imagine how that would be offensive :) Now I WOULD probably be curious as to what happened, but in following with Wargaming's general rules, we won't divulge why warnings/bans are handed out.

I assure you, none of us moderators have anything to do with anything in the game itself. Chat bans there are completely unrelated to the Steam forum - and to my knowledge are automated anyway.

[C4Warr10r]

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Is should hope so. But can you blame me for observing that a guy posting the rules was banned when I have no idea why I was banned for in the first place?

Well, it wouldn't have crossed my mind. I can't imagine how that would be offensive :) Now I WOULD probably be curious as to what happened, but in following with Wargaming's general rules, we won't divulge why warnings/bans are handed out.

I assure you, none of us moderators have anything to do with anything in the game itself. Chat bans there are completely unrelated to the Steam forum - and to my knowledge are automated anyway.

I don't think you do have anything to do with it. Even if you did, I've never known Steam Moderators to be anything but fair, even if I sometimes disagree with them. The platform exists so people can play games and have fun in a decent community.

My worry is about auto-bans, so you can see how I'd put two and two together for illustrative purposes, especially with social media nowadays. I actually don't know if Steam has such a mechanism. Never occurred to me to look into it because we have the mods here. Where Gaijin is coming from, I'm not sure.

[Fomin]

It's NOT a "war on all of us" to have rules because most of "us" are mature enough to follow the rules.

I actually like the community for this game much better than the one for CoD which I used to play before this. I do NOT want any system which serves to minimize trolling eliminated.

[C4Warr10r]

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It's NOT a "war on all of us" to have rules because most of "us" are mature enough to follow the rules.

I actually like the community for this game much better than the one for CoD which I used to play before this. I do NOT want any system which serves to minimize trolling eliminated.

Understandable, but this game is not like CoD in my experience. The day you run into trolling here, you can say it is a problem and the service is valid. Otherwise, you're claiming a rock keeps tigers away.

Next, the issue here is that I have no idea what rules I violated, so how am I to follow them? For all you know, you might have violated a rule with that little "mature" jab. The guy who posted the rules is literally banned from Steam right now. Not saying the two are related, but can you imagine what he might have said wrong when he's a guy who posts rules?

THAT would be the problem. If "the rules" are not explained and enforced consistently, they could mean anything. I don't know what I did wrong, but I know the worst part about it has been being unable to talk to teammates effectively because I keep getting banned for it. Then they die, they have bad games, or good ones, and I can't offer them encouragement because I'm banned from doing anything on the basis of a sin I don't know.

Can you imagine a better way to troll someone? That's still your concern, right? I'd be eager to hear your thoughts on what kinds of trolling are worse.