Germans CV's are awful

[Loaf Man]

Why did they make them so bad XD, im slogging through the wesser and I cant do anything lol. The rockets are useless the enemy turns slightly and you do like 3 dmg its horrific and ur planes have 0 health. Why such a power gap from all the other cv's makes no sense.

[Hiei]

Sometimes there are ship lines where one tier is really bad before they get good.
Izumo was that ship for me, didn't make sense, all the guns were in the front but also you couldn't get them all on someone without giving a nice chunky broadside and ontop of that they were hyper slow to turn because one had to spin all the way around if you wanted it on the other target. It made really no sense.

Then I got Yamato and it was pretty fun, the German CVs might be like that.
I've had the t8 German for a long time and got a premium camo for the 10 during the event, but getting past the 8 has been so daunting that I'm still on 8 (I don't play CV too often)

[Urinietszche]

German CVs start to shine at tier 8 and 10. Your AP rockets are teamplay tool, which should be played around ships which try to angle against your team. In another words, you create crossfire out of nowhere against enemy cruisers and they either eat AP to their broadside or turn that broadside to your team when they try to angle from your attack.

Now tricky part about german CVs is DD dealing, since rockets and bombs are kinda weak against them. So you have to rely on your supah fast torpedoes. Cool trick is to lock DD in parallel to him torpedoes drop and then do quick 90 degrees attack against him balancing between those.

Bombs are just bombs, same story as japanese. Is tier 6 bad? I would say yes, I bought and sold that ship 3 times so far because I gave up on playing him. And I have Midway already so I can do CV quests on that.

[Urinietszche]

Also german CV is my choice to go for enemy CV if needed to. Tier X has no problem killing his CV classmates with rockets. Just send most planes home and leave just attacking ones. So you will lose only those. Lose 3 planes and deal 20k damage to Midway? Hell yeah. Bombs also penetrate his deck. But I wouldn't recommend doing that unless you are matched 2 CVs on both side

[Banzai]

If you play German Cvs then you need to learn how to torp dds. Its your only effective weapon against them. More than any other cv line you have to really choose your targets carefully. The rockets are devastating against side on cruisers. The AP bombs will citadel BBs reliably and the torps are low damage but pretty fast, so easy enough to land hits on literally anything with an added bonus of possible floods. The line is really good (from t6) but arent as easy to play as some other nations Cvs maybe.

[Dee-Jay]

Some good tips here for me too. I'm not much of a CV player (neither in frequency nor ability) so I'm happy to accept all the help I can get.

Only gotten to T6 on CV's but the German CV line is the only one I've not tried and I've been intrigued by them. From what I make of it WG pulled the good German T6 CV Erich Loewenhardt for being too good? :D

From the other 4 I feel they're like this:

Ryujo (great)
Serov (great)
Furious (not bad)
Ranger (the worst)

Might be my poor understanding of them but I feel Ranger is pretty poor and TBH isn't much fun to play.

[Urinietszche]

Originally posted by Dee-Jay:

Some good tips here for me too. I'm not much of a CV player (neither in frequency nor ability) so I'm happy to accept all the help I can get.

Only gotten to T6 on CV's but the German CV line is the only one I've not tried and I've been intrigued by them. From what I make of it WG pulled the good German T6 CV Erich Loewenhardt for being too good? :D

From the other 4 I feel they're like this:

Ryujo (great)
Serov (great)
Furious (not bad)
Ranger (the worst)

Might be my poor understanding of them but I feel Ranger is pretty poor and TBH isn't much fun to play.

Ranger is just average. And it can deal heavy damage to DDs with bombs if you are lucky enough. I would put Furious to the worst one cause his planes are SO DAMN SLOW.

[juujbee]

furious is good at setting fires though drops a lot more bombs hard to make up for speed of planes though

[Jackson]

Furious was definitely my least favorite of all the 6's, but I didn't play Ranger since the rework so it's not a fair comparison for that one.

[Banzai]

Actually favour the British CVs personally over the other nations (although I enjoy the German ones as well). They are by far the best versus DDs and damage over time effects are very powerful with some teamplay - communicating to your team that a target used its damage control might not always be acted on, but when it is then the target in question is likely to be in trouble. They also have the tankiest planes (outside of FDR) and even when bottom tiered can take on AA monsters like Halland.

Each to their own anyway :)

Its also worth noting in relation to the German CVs that they were introduced when there was a huge amount of corner camping on islands going on (this still happens ofc, but is unwise in a lot of situations now) and these planes can be devastating versus static targets - its not that hard to get a perfect broadside on a cruiser doing this with rockets for example and theres a good chance of a lot of citadels. Oh, and if you start an attack run with rocket planes when flying over an island the reticle's range will hugely increase so its possible (although not easy) to throw rockets at targets from way outside their AA range.

[whoizz]

hello there.. as a Carrier player myself, I also find them weaker in general, and I can only assume things will be worst on T8/T10.

first and foremost, your role as Carrier is to strike enemy carriers and large ships, there is no point in time you search for a Destroyer like some people have mentioned here.. it's rather idiotic to have a Carrier waste time with that, as the Destroyer would either dodge your shots, or they will smoke.. - it's a lot better your Destroyer find them - they will both be detected - and when the enemy Destroyer smokes your Destroyer go into their smoke to provide vision, if the target is low.. this is their job, as Carrier you never do their job.

so rule #1, you never waste time on Destroyers, they are your Cruiser job and your Destroyer will spot and scout and follow them around - never, ever accept to scout as Carrier.. this is the golden rule as Carrier.

as soon you understand this rule, your next job is to get used to AP rockets vs enemy Carriers.. you should be able to do A LOT of damage because you hit their citadel and they are not as manoeuvrable.. you watch mini-map before you strike, is there a Battleship alone? - cool, if that target is close, that is your new target.. no Battleship alone? - you strike their Carrier again.

you will do this all match.. case the enemy team stack AA's, there is nothing you can do as Carrier, don't even try.. solo Battleships you can use Bombers and Torpedoes, a solo Cruiser you can use Torpedoes and you leave your attack planes solely for their Carrier.

[Banzai]

Originally posted by whoizz:

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Oh dear. Well, play how you want but you could maybe entertain the possibility that you are "doing it wrong". It is never a waste of time going after DDs. One of the surest ways of winning a match is to remove the other teams ability to spot and to cap. CVs are the best class in the game for spotting targets, and frankly its not that tricky to attack destroyers either. Going after high value targets (which tends to be DDs early in the game) is always more useful than farming damage on some backline BB, plus theres plenty of time to do that after more important threats have been removed.

Going after enemy CVs is almost universally a terrible idea (at least early in the game) due to the amount of time you will waste doing so, coupled with the fact that sniping the enemy CV with CV will not work unless the opponents carrier is terrible. If they are terrible then why waste the planes and time flying to probably the furthest target from you? I've had enemy CVs try this on me many many times and all they achieved was losing a lot of planes, wasting a lot of time and losing the match due to me going after DD's, spotting, and helping my team on flags. Even in rare cases where the enemy carrier did manage to eventually sink me, the 10+ minutes they wasted doing so and the huge amount of planes they lost in the process meant they hadnt been a threat to 91% of my team for more than half the match, and would be of limited threat for the remainder of it, while my team had a huge lead due to effectively only one team having a CV upto that point. I honestly cant remember a match I lost where the enemy CV came after me.

And regarding your opening sentence, CVs are far from weak. They are the most influential and potentially powerful class in the game in the right hands. No other class even comes close in solo winrates. If you consider them weak, then I respectfully suggest once again that it might be because you are playing them wrong.

Just for the record, you sound like you are only upto T6 in CVs and I am talking from experience of having played literally every carrier in the game (with extremely high winrates in a lot of them). As I say, play how you want, but I guarantee you will win more if you discard a lot of what you posted above.

[Dee-Jay]

Originally posted by whoizz:

hello there.. as a Carrier player myself, I also find them weaker in general, and I can only assume things will be worst on T8/T10.

first and foremost, your role as Carrier is to strike enemy carriers and large ships, there is no point in time you search for a Destroyer like some people have mentioned here...

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Troll post?

[Banzai]

Originally posted by Dee-Jay:

Originally posted by whoizz:

hello there.. as a Carrier player myself, I also find them weaker in general, and I can only assume things will be worst on T8/T10.

first and foremost, your role as Carrier is to strike enemy carriers and large ships, there is no point in time you search for a Destroyer like some people have mentioned here...

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Troll post?

On balance I think its well meaning, but well meaning with a ton of bad advice.

[Totally Innocent Chatbot]

Weser is kind of just in a bad position because it hasn't really filled into its role yet, yet still gets aggressively uptiered more often than not. Its planes are fast, but not fast enough, and they're still the lowest-health of any CV at its tier. Ryujou is just a really good carrier all-around, and it's able to hold its own in T8 matches far better than Weser is.

Things get better once you get to the Parseval, or at least they did back when I still played. Can't really speak for the Richtofen though - I only know German CV mains were VERY salty about the inconsistency after the T10's dive bomber aiming circle got nerfed.

Originally posted by whoizz:

wtf

If you want to learn how NOT to be a 40%-or-lower-WR CV player, I strongly suggest you do the complete opposite of literally everything this individual just said.

[whoizz]

I mostly play ranked, and I play every class.. when I play as DD, one think I hope is to have a CV on the other side.. and in fact, for him to be dumb enough to waste time on me, as I'm still to be hit by any CV in this game.. they just can't, because:

#1. as DD I'm never away from my team, I play around my Cruiser and hopefully a BB, so its 3 AA chewing planes.. does a Carrier wants to try his odds vs a Destroyer who is actually a CV player and know each and every type of attack and angles? - yeah, good luck, as I said, no CV hit me when I'm in a DD.

now about going after the enemy Carrier, if you are playing any decent team they will be stacked so their DD can smoke the whole team - any DD that wastes smoke on themselves are just bad players - and I cannot attack the DD, neither I will go vs 3 or 4 AAs stacked, so CV is the only choice.. - now provided I had the choice to let's say, waste three minutes hovering a DD that is alone, because hes just plain bad.. first, I cannot spot them properly for a decent drop, second, they can easily dodge, third they can burn smoke.. so now I lost planes, did no damage, and their CV has the lead on me cuz he was smart enough to attack me.. and as CV I will be alone most time, all he needs to learn is to predict CV turn and strike broad.. that is piece of cake.

I'm usually playing Serov now, in Ranked, but I did my fair share of Ranked as T8 US and one thing I notice, every single time I'm CV on ranked is, their CV knows my name, they come straight for me, or else I sink a CV in three passed with speed boost and it takes less than 5 minutes.

DD is not a threat, it has never been a threat.. what actually happen is basically, people go alone, then a DD smoke and shoot.. whoever was alone deserve to die, cuz they know a consumable was added to permit the worst kind of players to stay hidden even when they should have been spotted - and they provide boost so 4 smokes x 2 minutes, they can stay nearly half match completely invisible... the only counter is for you DD to sail into enemy smoke and torp strike their face.

PS: I have T10 unlocked.