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grafik Nov 28, 2024 @ 3:27am
New dockyard for Niord...
... I am not sure I need another battleship with fast-firing guns - I'd rather save my doubloons for something else this time.

Any thoughts on Niord? I met her in a few battles and was not particularly impressed.

I regret missing out on the recent Asian destroyer ...
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Ace42 Nov 28, 2024 @ 3:35am 
My attitude to Dockyard is typically "it'll keep earning me anniversary / xmas rewards indefinitely". The doubs nerf to containers obviously slows the rate of return on that investment, but bargain high tier ships are bargain high tier ships - and more dice rolls on containers means more chances of a jackpot.
Nepgear Nov 28, 2024 @ 4:41am 
Easy skip for me. I already have Karl & Rupprecht and don't like Tirpitz guns. The last set of missions looks like it could be annoying too with 99k bxp.
grafik Nov 28, 2024 @ 4:47am 
Hmmm thanks for the input - I basically have the same idea as Nepgear but Ace has a valid point of course, esp #ecially as in dockyard you usually end up with more rewards than you invest in doubloons.
The question I suppose is to I want to spend (even more) money on WOWS ;)
Ace42 Nov 28, 2024 @ 4:57am 
Originally posted by Nepgear:
The last set of missions looks like it could be annoying too with 99k bxp.

Yeah, some quick back-of-a-napkin calculations say that should take roughly 20 hours continuous grinding in Ops - assuming roughly 1.7k average bxp.

Randoms should cut that down a fair bit, as matches run shorter - but average XP's obviously far more swing-y depending on win or loss streaks.

If Asym being back coincides with that particular mission, that *could* potentially cut it down further, as Asyms also run short and can farm far higher BXP amounts - but I didn't check if the dates overlapped, and WG are really bad at having the acceptable game-mode icons be accurate in advance.
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Nepgear Nov 28, 2024 @ 5:25am 
Originally posted by Ace42:
Originally posted by Nepgear:
The last set of missions looks like it could be annoying too with 99k bxp.
Yeah, some quick back-of-a-napkin calculations say that should take roughly 20 hours continuous grinding in Ops - assuming roughly 1.7k average bxp.

Randoms should cut that down a fair bit, as matches run shorter
I got 48k in randoms the past week (~8hrs assuming 15m average game) so double's 96k and I play a few coops too so probably would finish it naturally, but would be close. And I did also spend yesterdays randoms time on scrims instead.
Originally posted by grafik:
but Ace has a valid point of course, esp #ecially as in dockyard you usually end up with more rewards than you invest in doubloons.
You only get 1 additional stage with the ship, and if you spend 5k on a ship just to get 80 steel+anniversary cert annually, won't the game be long dead before it's worth it?
Last edited by Nepgear; Nov 28, 2024 @ 6:05am
Ace42 Nov 28, 2024 @ 6:34am 
Originally posted by Nepgear:
You only get 1 additional stage with the ship, and if you spend 5k on a ship just to get 80 steel+anniversary cert annually, won't the game be long dead before it's worth it?

It's certainly a gamble - literally and figuratively. Literally because you never know which crate will have a valuable prize in it - and steel = contributing to getting T10 ships = more crates; figuratively because there's no predicting the future as to how WG will nerf anniversary / xmas rewards.

Obviously there's some tertiary benefits to having more ships too - in terms of crossing thresholds so getting to knock more ships off the events per battle. If Dockyard ships ever get added to future lootboxes or random loot-chains, then it's possible it could be beneficial to have already removed the ship from the drop-pool while it's at a budget - but that's entirely speculative and might just as well see you get naff duplicate compensation instead.

When it comes to whaling / collecting, 5k's just plain cheap for a T9 premium in general - but I can definitely see why people reaching their quotidian limits (more ships than they could ever realistically play, and no interest in a very "meh" port-queen) would rather save both the doubs - and probably more importantly the time dedicated to the grind. But if you're committed to grinding all the free rewards anyway, the last two paid stages aren't additional time commitment, so <shrug>

OTOH, lot of grinding at Xmas by default just to get the rewards, so that's already time that a lot of people will commit habitually; and asym's gonna be there for at least some of it, so if WG don't nerf income for it again there's a strong incentive to invest a heavy amount of time farming obscene amounts of credits as a matter of course.
Last edited by Ace42; Nov 28, 2024 @ 6:34am
⭐T⭐D⭐ Nov 28, 2024 @ 6:39am 
I like it maybe caus I like tirp guns or just maybe caus i'm Norwegian

If the last mission will be to grindy i'll just doublon them out. That's what WG knows and WG does.
R[e]venge®-uk* Nov 28, 2024 @ 6:40am 
if Clan Battles counts for the BXP (Have not looked) be fine, if not just a hard slog weekend of Randoms and OP divisions! haha :wowshehe:
ReDiR Nov 28, 2024 @ 7:15am 
It's a worse version of the best T9 BB Karl Johan. I'm only getting since I'm collecting all dockyard ships
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grafik Nov 28, 2024 @ 9:03am 
Originally posted by ReDiR:
It's a worse version of the best T9 BB Karl Johan. I'm only getting since I'm collecting all dockyard ships
I like Karl Johann a lot, so I'll skip Niord.
Ace42 Nov 28, 2024 @ 9:30am 
Originally posted by grafik:
I like Karl Johann a lot, so I'll skip Niord.

I'd suggest taking ReDiR's opinions with a pinch of salt: He consistently argues that questionable ships are "the best in their tier & class".
His argument that Shokaku is better than Enterprise being a notable recent example - with him not feeling it necessary to explain how a CV that is statistically worse in pretty much every single important quantifiable metric is supposedly the better choice of the two.

Personally I don't have a strong opinion on KJ vs Niord or any permutation of it. Johann's torps make it relatively unique, so that's a fair enough reason to like it.
But if I were to solicit opinions, I'd be very cautious about paying too much credence to someone who seems to base his opinions more on contrarianism than the actual game mechanics.
grafik Nov 28, 2024 @ 9:44am 
Thanks for pointing this out :)
Jaynoble55 Nov 28, 2024 @ 10:46am 
Its reasonable to class these two together while being aware of each difference. MY wisdom or lack of it tells me that Niord is not as good as the KJ. And while that is a VERY VERY subjective statement I feel many would agree with me. Niord sounds cool unless you own a Tirpitz and know just how wonky those guns can be, faster reload helps this but its still pretty anemic imho and itll be that much harder to punch up to 10 and star ships.

All in all this is much like many ships in the game. Subjective. Fun is a factor that is not quantifiable here as people have vastly differing ideas of what is fun. Watch a youtube video on it and do your best to figure out if its something you would be into. Winning is nice but were all here to have fun, at least I hope we are.
Ace42 Nov 28, 2024 @ 11:10am 
Originally posted by Jaynoble55:
Niord sounds cool unless you own a Tirpitz and know just how wonky those guns can be, faster reload helps this but its still pretty anemic imho and itll be that much harder to punch up to 10 and star ships.

The whole "German guns are bad" thing is a hangover from back in the day. I still have the dire historic FDG winrate pulling my account WR down (second most played ship, inexplicably. Tirpitz being the most, unsurprising as it was my joint-first premium) from back when they had that dire dispersion *and* before it got its reload buff on the 406mms.

German guns got buffed to USN dispersion formula years ago.
They also get to slot the aiming module in slot 3, unlike USN T8-and-below: Although if you're going secondary build Tirpitz obviously that won't apply.

The 1.8 sigma is very typical for BBs in that band; and as you mention it's got a fast reload which roughly balances out the 8 barrels vs 9 barrels discrepancy vs some ships - although 8 is very typical for the tier anyway.

The pen's not exceptional for the tier, but it's pretty typical and sufficient to cit a broadside Kremlin up to 16-18km depending on which citadel plate you hit.

I suspect the main problem most players have with Tirpitz guns is that at 380mm there's tons of stuff in the tier spread that they won't overmatch, so they're far less forgiving of poor positioning. The impact angle's also on the flatter side of the spread when at close range, which can mean more overpens or missed cits potentially.
Last edited by Ace42; Nov 28, 2024 @ 11:13am
Jackson Nov 28, 2024 @ 1:18pm 
Originally posted by ReDiR:
It's a worse version of the best T9 BB Karl Johan. I'm only getting since I'm collecting all dockyard ships
How do you know it's worse when there's no stats on it yet?
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