is there a specific reason behind the russian bias?

[fat gaben]

historically speaking, russia/USSR was never famous for its navy as much as italy, japan, US, germany, britain, but why all them russian ships getting all the OP features? the russian navy was chewed up with salad by the japanese in battle of port arthur, since then the soviet navy was crap. I know the company is belarussian but is there a hidden message behind the russian bias?

[meredith999]

i think u answerd ur question

[Hiei]

A lot of people like to talk about Russian bias. It's not really true. It's because the company is Russian so they all Assume "Huyuck I got wrecked by a Russian ship, must be because their biased" However there have been Several other ships from other countries that were op. They either get removed or nerf'd

[Jackson]

Well, the so called Russian bias is pretty debatable. There is a couple pretty strong ships, but other nations have those in other areas. Soviets only have the best ships in a couple of categories. Currently their cruisers are pretty strong.

None of this game has anything to do with 1904-5 Russian navy. The game comprises the Soviet era when they weren't nearly so backward.

More players are Russian than the rest of the world combined as far as I know. It's that way with tanks for sure - perhaps not ships. They do cater to the player base. I mean the only reason the Pan Asian line is even a thing is because of the Chinese.

[Asfalots der Sittenwart]

Originally posted by Lord Nems:

A lot of people like to talk about Russian bias. It's not really true. It's because the company is Russian so they all Assume "Huyuck I got wrecked by a Russian ship, must be because their biased" However there have been Several other ships from other countries that were op. They either get removed or nerf'd

*Laughs in K. Albert and Belfast*
Albeit, they are only removed from sale, not from the game itself.

[Jackson]

Originally posted by DrunkenVanguard:

Originally posted by Lord Nems:

A lot of people like to talk about Russian bias. It's not really true. It's because the company is Russian so they all Assume "Huyuck I got wrecked by a Russian ship, must be because their biased" However there have been Several other ships from other countries that were op. They either get removed or nerf'd

Laughs in K. Albert and Belfast.
Albeit, they are only removed from sale, not from the game itself.

Eh.. Flint way out performs Belfast. But yea, Albert was fun until CV rework. Still fun if you can manage to get a T3 match :)

[baddoggs]

Lol, my only nitpick with the Russian line is, most high tier ships seem to
be "post war" vessels. I mean, if Russia actually HAD a navy during WWII where
was it when my grandad was doing the "Murmansk Convoys". I know they had ships
in the Baltic and the Black sea but there was not very much of it.
All in all though All nations in WoW's has it's strengths and weaknesses.
I have not seen one that is "Kerbstomping" All outher nations, at least in the games i play.

[Asfalots der Sittenwart]

Originally posted by renaultft17tank:

Your historical analysis of Russian/Soviet naval history is narrow and limited to Port Arthur and the usage of words like "crap" My suggestion is further education in Russian Naval Operational History and five years hard labor in a Gulag. :winter2019joyfultearsdog:

Clearly he never heard of Stalinski-Superioris Vozdushnye Sily, a T-4 Russian Carrier with historical accurate MiG-29 Attack-Aircraft and Tupolev 95 Bombers equipped with Tsar Bomba.
For balance reason, no Torpedo Aircraft included!
Coming soon Comrade.
Maybe will need buff and bigger bomb payload, but as they say Ничего, первый блин комом!

Now off to Gulag for hearing about secrit project.

[fat gaben]

Originally posted by renaultft17tank:

Your historical analysis of Russian/Soviet naval history is narrow and limited to Port Arthur and the usage of words like "crap" My suggestion is further education in Russian Naval Operational History and five years hard labor in a Gulag. :winter2019joyfultearsdog:

dude are you drunk? russian/soviet navy performed bad in both world wars and even before you are the one who takes history classes from WG

[fat gaben]

Originally posted by renaultft17tank:

Commrade fat gaben:
You are dangerously close to being declared an enemy of Bolshevism. As Peoples Commissar , I can offer you one chance, and one chance only.
You will write a post on the glory of the exploits of the Morskoi Flot (Russian Naval Fleet). Rest assured commrade, this is a one time and one time only offer.

Glory to the Revolution.!


renault17tank
Peoples Commissar
Archangelsk Oblast

Comrade renaultft17tank:

Greetings to you and to the glorious workers of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, my behavior is not very socialist due to the western capitalist propaganda, you have my word that from now on I will commit to the right bath of the revolution and will always strive to achieve what is best for the working class of the society.

Fat Gaben
Peasant
Crimea

[Firewalk]

The only bias I can see is that there's a large amount of Soviet ships and that some of them are problematic for balance.

The huge amount of them comes down to the ease of access to the Russian navy archives, so there's tons of blueprints for ships that were never made or that were never finished. I can't really fault them for using that. It's safe to say WG doesn't get the ship stats from Wikipedia.

The only truly broken ship I can see is Stalingrad. For one, only very good and experienced players will ever drive her, but she comes with features that are simply overkill for a cruiser. From nigh-on BB levels of armor and pen, she can out-muscle lower tier BBs with ease. Combine these stats with the skill of those who drive her and you get a truly scary ship. People complain about Smolensk and Kutuzov, but it's this thing that has proven more difficult to deal with than anything.

Other than that, I keep seeing people say that Russian ships are best at everything, a patently FALSE statement. They ALL suffer from horrible rudder-shift, orbit-sized turning circles and exposed citadels in the case of the cruisers and BBs. The DDs have comically short-ranged torpedoes that are nigh-on useless. If you can take advantage of these things, then there's nothing they can do about it.

In the end, the nations are balanced around a game, not real life performance. There are broken ships in almost all of them.

- RA -

[OH GOD! NOT THE BEES!!]

the (argueable) worst ship in the game is russian!
the light cruiser line is really not that easy to play until you get to the Alexandre Nevsky. The Bbs are strong, but except the Sinop and the Kremlin not TOO strong and even the Sinop -well i would not count her in that category,
Smollesnk is a meme ship and a seal clubber, while any half way decent player simply blabbs her in the smoke. Stalingrad and Kronstadt are stronk, but not op. For that their braodside is simply to weak.
Russian dd line? dont make me laugh! Powercrept as ♥♥♥♥ and probably the weakest dds in the game atm even after the germans (exception is the Grozo - good ship)

That leaves the new heavy cruisers: except the Petro nothing special.
I really dont see the bias.

I mean you want to talk about Enterprise, Lo Yang, Daring, T-61, Jean Bart, Bourgogne, Thunderern &c?

There are so many ships in this game that one could consider at least unballanced, while most of the russian ships are mediocre at best. Play the Kirov or Mikuyan and then lets talk about russian bias again (

[baddoggs]

Originally posted by renaultft17tank:

I wish there were more torpedo gun boats like there are in War Thunder. The Soviet Union had a few really good motor boat types. I don't see anything smaller than a destroyer in World of Warships. I wish there were more corvettes, frigates, and patrol type cutters. These were very important in WWII. War Thunder has some armored patrol boats and cutters. You know the type, these are potent enough to deal with important threats. they have torpedoes, guns ranging from 37mm to 75mm. they have 12.7mm/ .50 cal AA guns. etc.
hey, combine the fleets on War Thunder and Word of Warships and you have a full navy. lol

I would LOVE to see how a Corvette with its 3mm steel hull and single 4" gun would fair
in a random battle. Better yet, a PLYWOOD PT or MTB/MGB with light cannon would do.
The first collision would certainly be entertaining. And fire from tracer and HE...
AV speed for a gunboat in WWII was around 40 knots, there are DD's ingame that can do that so... Speed wont help you. And a Corvette with a top speed of 18 Knots OMG.. I actually WANT
to see that now. I would probably never play them but i NEVER turn down a free meal.

[AndVencovsky]

Lets be real, in real life the russian navy in WW2 was really meh. they made all the ships better so that they could compete with the rest which is fair. except Sinop, that thing in ranked is cancer. Cruiser AP has a hard time penning its broadside and its got so little superstructure that He is 80% non pen. playing cruiser against them makes you feel so useless.

[York]

is there russian bias?
nah
can wargame actually balance ships well
well they are very hit an miss which leads to the problem for example the british heavy cruisers are just alright while the russian BBs are very decent not over powered just decent borderline strong since they have a good gimick for many maps and with good angling can be nightmarish to deal with.

The reason there is a whole russian hate german ship thing that gets spouted is because their ships are slowly being power crept due to a change in meta brawling is not viable any more (especially secondary brawling)

look at the britsh BB line their gimick makes them very strong but with tangible flaws to exploit to beat them. a russian BB also has flaws a strong prow does little if you are burnt or flooded.

[baddoggs]

@ iron warsmith, i have to agree, have not yet met a ship that could not be beaten.
Not in this game anyway. If the dev's did actually "balance" it perfectly people would
just complain that it was boring and all the ships were the same.
As far as a strong Russian prow... Take it from behind.. Just like allied tankers
did to kill tiger tanks. In the ADF i learned there are 4 ways to approach a problem.
Over, under, around or through.... One of them allways works.