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smayle88 2023 年 10 月 7 日 下午 4:10
Zieten is the worst
Does anyone else think the Zieten is absolutely useless? I can't believe Germany made something so terrible. I hate this ship with a passion now.
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Jackson 2023 年 10 月 7 日 下午 4:19 
Germany didn't make something so terrible. Wargaming invented it : /

Specifically they did base it very loosely on a design that Germany came up with, but it's neutered and aside from the turret arrangement, looks nothing like it. The design was a 45,000 ton ship (think Iowa weight but WWI tech) with six 420mm guns. In game they're 406mm, likely for balance.

In some cases WG's inventions looks pretty good. Much of the time you can look at a ship in game and tell immediately what nation designed it. I'm not sure what they were thinking with Zeit but you can form your own opinion :") Anyway, if you want to see what it would have actually looked like, see link below and scroll down to Design GK 4531.

http://www.shipbucket.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4774
smayle88 2023 年 10 月 7 日 下午 4:24 
WG certainly dropped the ball on this ship.
christof 2023 年 10 月 7 日 下午 4:30 
Thing is, if you get this thing to kite... Those secondaries, torpedoes and guns suddenly get very dangerous. It is a very potent ship, but only in certain circumstances. In other cases, it's mostly just weird.
R[e]venge®-uk* 2023 年 10 月 7 日 下午 4:32 
your playing the ship wrong, she has 2 guns at the rear and decent torps and Secondary guns .... you use her arse in ... in what we call a "kite" ... her nose is super squishy and if up tiered can be a mess but you should be fine this way!!

Good Luck! 3
Hiei 2023 年 10 月 7 日 下午 5:00 
I don't know, the German battle cruiser line is extremely good, though Zieten is a kiting ship, I never found her bad or awful. I had even played her in ranked (Didn't think I would, but liked her)
Banzai 2023 年 10 月 7 日 下午 11:03 
Really like it personally but each to their own. Set it up for secondarys and ideally spend quite a lot of time reversing towards the enemy to make full use of your main guns (although the 360 degree rear turret means you can generally use 2/3 of them). Kiting works great in it as well especially if you trick people chasing you into getting into sec range.

Also excellent hydro and has good range torps. Its a little more fragile than the Ger BBs since its technically a battlecruiser but if you play it to its strengths its really good.

It is fugly however if you care about such things :)
最後修改者:Banzai; 2023 年 10 月 7 日 下午 11:03
Jackson 2023 年 10 月 7 日 下午 11:06 
It's the only ship in the line I free xp'd thru part. I hated it. Six guns wasn't working for me. I loved every other ship in that line :)
Dee-Jay 2023 年 10 月 8 日 上午 3:25 
Played it, was crap in it, hated it, free XP'd the last bit of the grind, then sold it when I had the Rupprecht.

But as you can see here, others can make it work.
`¯¯'-=Wing=-'¯¯´ 2023 年 10 月 8 日 上午 4:22 
Zieten is a very good ship.
Looks like the Bismarck with torpedoes.
But the "secret" is how you will play the battle.
If you play as BB... you must have a good skilled commander.
If you play as heavy cruiser...the "exploit" of the corner of some islands can be very handy.
as YOLO ship...isn't good enough.

As tier 8, I prefer the Bismarck, but already had my funny and intense moments with the Zieten.

oh my lordy... now I remember that I shouldn't post comments here.
My bad, sorry about.
christof 2023 年 10 月 8 日 上午 5:28 
Oh, I DID hate the Zieten at first, trust me. But the ship grew on me with time. Still by far not my favourite, but I have no qualms taking it into battle these days.

Still, it's definitely not a ship for everyone. It is very specialised while the other ships of that line generally aren't.
Dee-Jay 2023 年 10 月 8 日 上午 5:58 
引用自 christof
Oh, I DID hate the Zieten at first, trust me. But the ship grew on me with time. Still by far not my favourite, but I have no qualms taking it into battle these days.

Still, it's definitely not a ship for everyone. It is very specialised while the other ships of that line generally aren't.

I barely play the German BC line. Played the BB tech tree line early in my time in the game and was awful with them.
Brandenburg and Pommern are my faves.
Nelsons other eye 2023 年 10 月 8 日 下午 3:16 
引用自 Jackson
It's the only ship in the line I free xp'd thru part. I hated it. Six guns wasn't working for me. I loved every other ship in that line :)

Everytime I reset that line it's the one ship I fxp past
Ace42 2023 年 10 月 8 日 下午 4:02 
Zieten's got a few problems, but they're mainly a disguise for a decently powered ship.

Problems are:
Its squishiness - giant flat face is a shell-trap and HE farmer's dream, and the BC armour layout is pretty farmable. Needs proper positioning and situational awareness to make use of its survivability.
Its rear-orientated gun-layout - ship wants to push to use secondaries and torps, ship struggles to push because of losing main battery DPM when bow-in. If you're not in a situation where you can just kite, you need game-sense to figure out how you can get into an effective position.
The inherent issues with secondary focused ships in general (expensive CO requirements; secondary specs not being particularly on-meta or particularly strong in general).

The low barrel count is somewhat of an issue - but that is mitigated to a degree by the very fast reload, decent accuracy, and good calibre (406mm at T8 is a significant upgrade over the 380mms on Bismarck, Richelieu, etc). The guns are really quite good in general.
If you're running a secondary spec, then reliance on the main guns becomes far less of an issue.

The torps are particularly valuable too.

I think some of the issues are that the ship really benefits from already having a good understanding of how to play secondary spec; but most players landing on Zieten are going to be those least familiar with it - and it's probably the worst ship in the German tech tree (apart from the super low level ones, maybe) to learn on.
Requires a decent amount of game-knowledge to execute on too - it's maybe less forgiving of sub-optimal / oblivious plays than the ships which lend themselves more to goldbricking.

But if you're playing optimally, if you're not in a match that your team just make unwinnable, and you can thus get the ship into the right situations - it's a beast.
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