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Banzai Jul 25, 2023 @ 9:01am
End of the regional official WoWs forums
Was genuinely surprised to see this, especially as it only gives a whole three days warning of the closure.

Must say I personally find this a lamentable decision.

https://worldofwarships.eu/en/news/community/forum-shutdown/

As far as im aware the worldwide Steam forum for the game will continue unmolested.

o7
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kverdon Jul 25, 2023 @ 10:08am 
A nice way for WG to tell it's customer's STFU, we don't care. I wonder if they will request this be shut down as well?
Last edited by kverdon; Jul 25, 2023 @ 10:09am
Banzai Jul 25, 2023 @ 10:20am 
Originally posted by k.verdon:
A nice way for WG to tell it's customer's STFU, we don't care. I wonder if they will request this be shut down as well?
Unless they planned to remove the game from Steam entirely I would have thought thats unlikely. We shall see anyway.
R[e]venge®-uk* Jul 25, 2023 @ 10:26am 
It was compromised only a few days ago so I wonder if this has something to do with the amount of Forum "moderating" was becoming to much??
https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/170798-odd-happenings/
ladyryoko Jul 25, 2023 @ 11:31am 
The NA official thread on the shutdown, and "relocation" to Discord,
does not appear to be going over well: the majority of posters there seem to be in consensus that Discord is not even remotely a good surrogate/replacement for an official forum.

Discord is an over-glorified chatroom, it's no substitute for an official forum where a majority of topics are easily organized and back-searched (more easily than Discord).

One of serious concern for many of us, who have yet to acquire every premium ship, is that all those ship reviews by LittleWhiteMouse will eventually disappear into the lost internet ether.
"Once it's on the internet, it stays on the internet" isn't true, when the company hosting the pages or website takes it all down.

So if any of you have any favorite articles, discussions, or posts, spend the next couple days trying to print-to-pdf as many as you can, for posterity's sake, or your own personal reference.
Starseer Jul 25, 2023 @ 11:45am 
Originally posted by Revenge®-uk*:
It was compromised only a few days ago so I wonder if this has something to do with the amount of Forum "moderating" was becoming to much??
https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/170798-odd-happenings/

Well if they're using these "false flag" posts as reason to justify moving it all over to Discord, they're in for a rude awakening.
Discord itself has had its countless shares of "anonymous friend requests", scammers trying to get enough of your account information to claims it's theirs.

Discord mods don't work any faster at getting them all caught on Day 1, either.
And add to it that Discord wants your personal phone number when you try to register there?
One more piece of information the identity thieves can gain access to when Discord has another convenient leak.

This is going to sour the community even more, not make things better.
Hiei Jul 25, 2023 @ 11:55am 
Originally posted by ladyryoko:
The NA official thread on the shutdown, and "relocation" to Discord,
does not appear to be going over well: the majority of posters there seem to be in consensus that Discord is not even remotely a good surrogate/replacement for an official forum.

Discord is an over-glorified chatroom, it's no substitute for an official forum where a majority of topics are easily organized and back-searched (more easily than Discord).

One of serious concern for many of us, who have yet to acquire every premium ship, is that all those ship reviews by LittleWhiteMouse will eventually disappear into the lost internet ether.
"Once it's on the internet, it stays on the internet" isn't true, when the company hosting the pages or website takes it all down.

So if any of you have any favorite articles, discussions, or posts, spend the next couple days trying to print-to-pdf as many as you can, for posterity's sake, or your own personal reference.
I agree, it's a really dumb move and I wonder if there's some other reason for it.

Discord isn't nearly as organized as a forum and discord has it's own problems (One of which I've heard is that they can't make a profit. Though I was just told that)
I wonder why they'd want to relocate to discord, something they can't really control vs something they can control?
I can only assume there will be a huge population explosion on discord server.
Also not everyone wants to join a discord server (if I'm not personally attached to it for some reason, I'll get sick of pings and mute, then eventually leave it)

There's people who play WoWs who might not even want to join discord so this really seems out of no where...
CRCGamer Jul 25, 2023 @ 12:16pm 
Discord isn't really searchable unless you know both at least a keyword *and* the user that posted it. It actively buries its thread feature for inactivity pretty quickly. It cannot really replace a forum. And you'll have an endless sea of the same old questions being asked over and over since you can only do so much in terms of maintaining a locked FAQ thread that is short enough people will actually *read it* versus large enough to actually answer a ton of common issues.

The only real context where the move makes sense is them cost cutting. There are far more current and automated tools for actively moderating Discord. Meaning they need less moderators overall. The issue they will all too quickly realize though is official servers require 24/7 moderators still. And that unlike regular forums harvesting via DMs lets bad actors completely avoid setting off the telltales for moderation until users are complaining.
christof Jul 25, 2023 @ 12:26pm 
Originally posted by ladyryoko:
One of serious concern for many of us, who have yet to acquire every premium ship, is that all those ship reviews by LittleWhiteMouse will eventually disappear into the lost internet ether.
EXACTLY! THAT!

That was actually the first thought that went through my mind upon reading that nothing would be accessible anymore come October. "Wait, that means all of those LWM reviews will be gone?"
I mean besides the work that she herself put into those, they are absolutely invaluable for any of us thinking about whether a ship may be worth getting. (Plus some of the art on them is just adorable.)
And there are a lot of them too. So not sure if anyone has the time and space to archive them in time.

See, the good thing about a forum is that it does also function as some type of archive. You don't have to be on right then and there when something happens to be able to make use of it. You can log in days or weeks later and just catch up on what you feel is interesting for you. It might be some work to read all of it, but you can manage. Also you can just filter by the thread titles or use the search to decide on what and what not to read relatively easily.
Discord, for all its advantages in other fields, just doesn't do that in the same kind of way. Never mind the aforementioned loss of older articles that may still be very relevant.

So yeah... I'm sorry to say it this bluntly. But this is nothing short of utter idiocy.
Banzai Jul 25, 2023 @ 12:52pm 
At the end of the day Discord is a glorified chatroom and it will be very difficult for posts with merit and worth to be filtered out from the morass of heart/aubergine emojis.

Originally posted by ladyryoko:
The NA official thread on the shutdown, and "relocation" to Discord,
does not appear to be going over well: the majority of posters there seem to be in consensus that Discord is not even remotely a good surrogate/replacement for an official forum.

Absolutely the same response on EU. Theres a few threads but this one (linked below) has been the most active. 220 or so replies and 5000 views in the 5 hours its been up. Kind of emphasises the importance of the official forums.

https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/170816-wows-forum-shutdown-on-july-28th/
Last edited by Banzai; Jul 25, 2023 @ 12:53pm
Hiei Jul 25, 2023 @ 1:07pm 
I sort of wonder what would happen if; to get our point across...
Everyone left the Discord server.
mako Jul 25, 2023 @ 1:32pm 
Well that about does it.
NewHorizons Jul 25, 2023 @ 1:40pm 
Originally posted by CRCGamer:
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The only real context where the move makes sense is them cost cutting.
That, and/or burying criticism - CV & sub discussion threads were well over 500 & 250 pages respectively.
Now try having a structured debate about ship balance in Discord ...

Originally posted by CRCGamer:
There are far more current and automated tools for actively moderating Discord. Meaning they need less moderators overall.
The forum mods worked for nothing, but WG would still see the forum as an expense, eg hosting & maintenance costs
Challie63 Jul 25, 2023 @ 1:42pm 
WeeGee moving their forums to the "Echo Chamber" known as Discord!! Begs the question, seeing as how they've copied 'Steel Ocean' in the past, SO shut down their forum servers and a few months later, the game was discontinued in the Western Hemisphere!! Jus' Sayin'!!
R[e]venge®-uk* Jul 25, 2023 @ 1:57pm 
Stuff is being Archived already!!
https://new.reddit.com/r/WorldOfWarships/wiki/lwm/
Banzai Jul 25, 2023 @ 2:18pm 
I posted about this on the official EU forum but just to reiterate some of my points from there.

The official game forums have been running for eight and a half years. There is a staggering amount of useful tips, guides, advice and feedback that have been an invaluable source of information for players new and old. Not only that but its in a very real sense the "history" of WoWs which deserves better than to be consigned to oblivion while the game is still open and running (it would be fair enough if WoWs itself was closing down for good). Not only that, but its been a place for fellow players to post their great wins and close defeats, to argue about ships and just generally converse and have a laugh and a joke with their peers.

A lot of people have referenced LWM's fantastic and detailed ship reviews on the NA server. I cant imagine she will have any interest in continuing this on a platform that really doesnt lend itself to such content. I noticed she posted about this on NA a little while ago saying "Having played with Discord's "Forums" feature, it's not a viable place to post anything but short-form stuff.". If one of the most respected and knowledgeable content creators in the game is of this opinion then I think its reasonable to accept that she has a point.

Its kind of strange that WoT and even WoWP still have their official forums and yet the WoWs forums which on this one topic have had 12000 views and around 700 posts in the two most active threads on NA and EU are deemed to be lacking in engagement.

Sigh.
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