The Vlll U-180 has deck weapons for show?!

[Saint_Laus_369]

I don't understand what they are doing their if I can't use the deck gun -.-

[Jackson]

Well the primary reason that they are there, is because the sub wouldn't look realistic without them. The primary reason they're not usable, is because Wargaming doesn't want them to work...? But I do agree with you to a point.

Initially they had guns working on subs early in test, but you couldn't control them manually. They were similar to secondaries on surface ships. They ended up disabling them on most subs. I'm not sure of all the reasons, but I saw someone put forward that they could light your ship up to the enemy when they fired while doing negligible damage so it was best not to use them in most cases anyway.

They aren't alone in having none working guns tho. There's a few other ships out there with guns that don't work, they're just not readily obvious. You have to look closely at the models to see them :)

[rzimmer]

At the start of WW 2 the deck gun was used to sink merchant ships that were alone and unarmed. The allies countered with convoys and later added guns to the merchant ships so by the end of the war they took the guns off or didn't build the newer subs with anything other than AA. THE early models of subs wouldn't look right without a gun. If you look closely at the French BB and CA there are park benches and on 1 BB a car on the deck. All part of the detail WOW includes.

[Totally Innocent Chatbot]

One would think Wargaming would've had to the foresight not to specifically highlight a submarine firing its deck gun in their cinematic trailer for submarines, if they were so insistent on the deck guns being non-functional in the actual game. Sorry, I got that as an ad on Youtube the other night and had to have a laugh at it.

[Jackson]

Originally posted by Totally Innocent Chatbot:

One would think Wargaming would've had to the foresight not to specifically highlight a submarine firing its deck gun in their cinematic trailer for submarines, if they were so insistent on the deck guns being non-functional in the actual game. Sorry, I got that as an ad on Youtube the other night and had to have a laugh at it.

I think there might be one with a working gun, but I don't play them myself so I dunno for sure. Maybe one of the premiums?

[christof]

Originally posted by Jackson:

Initially they had guns working on subs early in test, but you couldn't control them manually. They were similar to secondaries on surface ships. They ended up disabling them on most subs. I'm not sure of all the reasons, but I saw someone put forward that they could light your ship up to the enemy when they fired while doing negligible damage so it was best not to use them in most cases anyway.

While that is a good reason, it's also what the "P" button on the keyboard is for. ;)

I mean, it works for Cachalot. Edit: And U-69.

Originally posted by Totally Innocent Chatbot:

One would think Wargaming would've had to the foresight not to specifically highlight a submarine firing its deck gun in their cinematic trailer for submarines, if they were so insistent on the deck guns being non-functional in the actual game. Sorry, I got that as an ad on Youtube the other night and had to have a laugh at it.

Interesting. The one I'm always getting is of a submarine pulling off a successful shotgun attack without receiving retaliatory damage.

You know...

The thing that "is very hard to do and will happen so rarely, it won't be causing any problems in the game".

[Urinietszche]

Bro, you ask about guns on uboats, but let me ask about radars on USA battleships. Everything is cut there for the sake of balance only WG understands

[Banzai]

Looking at the ship model, I can only see a machine gun on the conning tower (and I will assume you mean the U190). Subs with actual deck guns will be able to use them - some are counted as secondary batterys so will fire automatically and some are manual firing.

[rzimmer]

Just played against I-56 submarine and it has a deck gun that can be operated by the player. It was available last year in the Armory and will be back soon.

[Totally Innocent Chatbot]

Come to think of it, didn't that one limited-time Halloween mode from like two or three or four years ago that was a spinoff of "Saving Transylvania" and had subs (must've been their first real submarine live-test without actually announcing it as such) have functioning deck-gun secondaries when you surfaced?

[Urinietszche]

It's so dumb that some uboats have their gun as secondary and some can operate it manually. Wargaming is lost in their own concepts.

What next, battleship that has main guns in secondary module? Wait, we already have Schlieffen

[Banzai]

Originally posted by I play uboat to hide from FDR:

It's so dumb that some uboats have their gun as secondary and some can operate it manually. Wargaming is lost in their own concepts.

What next, battleship that has main guns in secondary module? Wait, we already have Schlieffen

Slight exaggeration about Schlief I think. Best damage I had in it was 274k (in clan battles amusingly) and only around 70 of that was from secs. Subs guns are so trivial a threat that they all might as well be automated tbh. Even the "better" ones get outgunned by literally anything. The concept originally behind the RU subs was for them to have more of a gun focus (since they mostly had TWO single turrets instead of one) but due to how subs work it turned out to be something of a flawed idea. In short, if you are worrying about your guns in a sub then you are doing it wrong.

[christof]

Maybe it IS time for Surcouf.

[Jackson]

Originally posted by I sold sub to play United States:

It's so dumb that some uboats have their gun as secondary and some can operate it manually. Wargaming is lost in their own concepts.

What next, battleship that has main guns in secondary module? Wait, we already have Schlieffen

Schlieffen has normal sized secondary guns for its secondary battery. The largest secondaries actually are on a Pan American battleship at 203mm. Still no where near main gun size.

[Urinietszche]

Originally posted by Jackson:

Originally posted by I sold sub to play United States:

It's so dumb that some uboats have their gun as secondary and some can operate it manually. Wargaming is lost in their own concepts.

What next, battleship that has main guns in secondary module? Wait, we already have Schlieffen

Schlieffen has normal sized secondary guns for its secondary battery. The largest secondaries actually are on a Pan American battleship at 203mm. Still no where near main gun size.

It's not about size, it's about secondaries DPM that's capable of taking down DD or effectively trade with cruiser. And all you need to do is ctrl click.

[Jackson]

Originally posted by I sold sub to play United States:

Originally posted by Jackson:

Schlieffen has normal sized secondary guns for its secondary battery. The largest secondaries actually are on a Pan American battleship at 203mm. Still no where near main gun size.

It's not about size, it's about secondaries DPM that's capable of taking down DD or effectively trade with cruiser. And all you need to do is ctrl click.

Well they have ~12 km range. So don't get that close! It's a battleship. You can see it from 12.6 km min assuming it's full conceal which many secondary BB won't have. And as soon as it fires you'll see it and know where it is 20 or w/e km away. If you don't pay attn, yea it'll mess you up. And just about any BB can take on any cruiser and win. That's just the way of life.