Whats with the Hentai....

[ZugzwangGroo]

What the ♥♥♥♥ is up with the overlapping hentai images in the adds for this game? Now my nephews mom wont let him play this game anymore lol. Do you idiots really think that by doing this you are going to make more money?

[Maj.Tryhard]

Lavian původně napsal:

Maj.Tryhard původně napsal:

It's just societal norms. They vary from country to country. America is typically ok with violence, but not sexuality (though this rapidly seems to be changing into a free-for-all based on common media programs.)

Germany, for instance, is very open to sexuality. You can often see nudity on day-time cable television. However, violence is very taboo there. Many games can't be sold in Germany because they're seen as too violent. Japan, on the other hand, has long been known as the opposite side of the coin where extreme violence is acceptable, but even the most explicit sources of sexuality are closely moderated. If you don't know what I mean by that last bit, you're either a child or lying. #PixelationIsWrong

Actually, a number of video games are censored for violence in Japan, even when the games are from Japan. The most recent notable example is probably Resident Evil/Biohazard 2. The most prominent example I know of from that game is a scene were a man's legs get torn off. In English, you pull him out from under a closing shutter, only to get the top half of him. The Japanese version leaves his legs attached.

Another example is that the cyborg blood in Metal Gear Rising is white in Japan, whereas in English it's red.

Japanese games that aren't explicitly adult also are often subject to censorship for sexual or suggestive content when localized to English. There's a lot of obvious examples of that. Sony (which somewhat recently moved computer entertainment operations to California) has actually begun enforcing censored versions of Japanese versions of games though, with PC and even Nintendo Switch versions being left unaltered.

That said, there's some cases where there's censorship for sexuality from English to Japanese. I believe some scenes that show genitalia in The Order 1886 were censored in the Japanese version.

Also, there's some examples of violence being censored from Japanese to English. Notable examples of this are Tales of Berseria (they butchered a pivotal scene in the prologue where a child is killed. He's still killed, but the manner in which it's done is different, which actually matters from a writing perspective. The manner in which it's done is used as a storytelling device throughout pivotal moments throughout the game.) and God Eater Resurrection, where they toned down the blood.

There's also the very odd situation of Sword Art Online (Hollow Realization, I think), where one of the CGs (at a hot spring) was censored post-release in Japan, because apparently CERO had missed it, and felt the CG would have raised the rating of the game. The game's CGs are uncensored in English, but not in the Japanese version.

It's kind of a mess in terms of what is or is not counted as acceptable. It's pretty subjective.

Fair enough.

[B_Wald]

Formous původně napsal:

B_Wald původně napsal:

So your nephew's mom is OK with him playing a naval combat game (glorifying a fairly brutal form of warfare in which 1000's of actual human beings were lost at sea), but some cartoon women in skimpy clothes and she's out.

I'll never understand why sexual overtones are perceived as harmful to young people but outright violence is not. If someone is too young and immature for the former, how could they possibly be mature enough to handle the latter?

TL;DR:
Kid: "Hey Ma, I'm gonna destroy a ship with 2000 sailors aboard"
Mother: "OK dear have fun"

Kid: "That girl is pretty"
Mother: "OMG MY SON HAS BEEN CORRUPTED BY JAPANESE CARTOONS"

The quick answer is objectification.

Aye. Still silly AF though.

[ZugzwangGroo]

dogestronaut původně napsal:

You really gotta learn the difference between hentai and anime.

(MnP)ZugzwangGroo původně napsal:

Do you idiots really think that by doing this you are going to make more money?

Oh you must be new to the internet, I can see why you wouldn't know the difference.

No, I dont really need to know the difference. Placing underage, overdeveloped children in skimpy outfits being unfit for children is all I need to know. "new to the internet" lol , good one lol :) I am 55 years old, and have been on the ,"internet" decades before you were likely born ;) I would say nice try, but it would be to generous ;)

[Lavian]

Well, personally, I wanted the granny of the Sakura Empire. All these young girls don't do it for me. Like, how am I supposed to be excited about muh shipfus if at least one of them isn't over 100 years old?!

Atago was launched in 1930. She's only, like, 90 years old! That's just too young for me.

Mikasa-daisenpai, granny of the century, 1900-1999.


On a more serious note:
Remember, that feeding trolls is bad. I just like throwing them scraps of Laffy Taffy sometimes.


But really. Give me muh Mikasa.

[Doctorwhom]

some people have no problem with images of young girls with unnatural body sizes being used to promote games in this way
As long as it just cartoon images they drool over at least it keeps them away from the school gates

It's only people who have a moral compass who object to it

[B_Wald]

Doctorwhom původně napsal:

some people have no problem with images of young girls with unnatural body sizes being used to promote games in this way
As long as it just cartoon images they drool over at least it keeps them away from the school gates

It's only people who have a moral compass who object to it

You have misunderstood the point I was trying to make as well (but I thank you for not making lowbrow personal attacks like the other one did).

I'm trying to say that if the kid is too young to view anime then he's too young to play videogames about war. Whether or not they're gory. If my son were too young to learn about the birds and the bees, I wouldn't want him learning to aim artillery either. I didn't say anything about whether the images in question should be used to promote the game or not.

It was more social commentary than anything. Sex is perfectly ordinary human behaviour that 99% of people will engage in at some point. Killin' folks is not (at least in modern times). It's strange that we (in particular Western societies) treat one as bad and dangerous and the other as normal (providing there's no blood!).

[Donegali]

There is no Hentai in this game. Please learn the difference between Anime and Hentai.

[Maj.Tryhard]

Donegali původně napsal:

There is no Hentai in this game. Please learn the difference between Anime and Hentai.

Perhaps so. But only so much as the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue isn't pornography. The line, in this instance, is quite grey.

All I would say is that they could have used much less provocative images and still drawn from the anime crowd.

[Lavian]

Maj.Tryhard původně napsal:

Donegali původně napsal:

There is no Hentai in this game. Please learn the difference between Anime and Hentai.

Perhaps so. But only so much as the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue isn't pornography. The line, in this instance, is quite grey.

All I would say is that they could have used much less provocative images and still drawn from the anime crowd.

Yes and no.

It's a collab with Azur Lane, and it targets fans of Azur Lane, such as myself. I actually didn't start WoWS until this collab was announced, and a person who was being semi-cautious with spending in a new game, I ended up picking up Enterprise and Cleveland as a fan of the characters. Some months later I ended up getting the full pack, but early on I was being selective.

As such, they want to pick characters that are popular in Azur Lane to encourage us to spend money. Though, that said, Azuma is the character that featured the most prominently in the current art in WoWS, and she has no established fanbase yet, since she was just added to Azur Lane as a crossover ship in the second wave of the WoWS collab, and grinding out the WoWS units in Azur Lane takes A LOT of time.

In general most of the picks that ended up in the WoWS side seem pretty obvious to me though. Nelson and Montpelier surprise me a bit, but the others are pretty safe bets in my opinion. They're all easy to like characters that are generally pretty high-tier if not outright some of the best ships in their classes.

This time around I picked up the full second wave and Dunkerque to go with Dunkerque. I'm very much in love with the ship and having Dunkerque in Dunkerque is a huge plus as a fan of the character. She's very sweet, despite her severe look.

Having a hard time justifying spending as much on a ship as a full game, so I haven't picked up Yukikaze, but I'm tempted. Having the Sakura Empire's emblem featured on the side of her is nice, and in general I just like the design.

Also yes, I'm well aware I spent over well over $100 on commanders rather than ships, but that's more of an extension of my Azur Lane spending to me, which I'm absolutely willing to just dump money on. As someone who's been spending on the Azur Lane game, as well as buying the anthology manga, novels, anniversary art books, and various other merchandise, spending on more Azur Lane is a no-brainer for me. Buying a ship feels less like Azur Lane and more like WoWS, while Azur Lane commanders feel very much like Azur Lane.

Anyway. Point is: Character choice matters. It not like they could have picked literally any Azur Lane character for it to be as effective of a crossover. As a long time fan of Enterprise in Azur Lane, if they hadn't had Enterprise in the first wave, there's a very real chance I wouldn't be here today.

[CRISTIANO RONALDO]

If the characters are problem, the game has options for disabling images and voices of all anime characters.

[Donegali]

Maj.Tryhard původně napsal:

Perhaps so. But only so much as the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue isn't pornography. The line, in this instance, is quite grey.

All I would say is that they could have used much less provocative images and still drawn from the anime crowd.

Don't get me wrong, I personally would prefer not to have anime in the game either (thank god for the in-game filters) but appreciate others like it and it will have drawn a lot of revenue in for WG which is good for all of us. I haven't even seen these images, or at least if I have they haven't logged in my head as provocative or anything else, I've probably just ignored them. I tend not to take notice of cartoons unless it's old Beano comics!

SamVimes původně napsal:

Ok so the title needs editing but thats hardly worth flagging this as the answer is it?
his point still stands

You're quite right and OP can change it whenever he wants. However with the personal attacks it's getting close to being locked anyway.

[Lavian]

Donegali původně napsal:

Maj.Tryhard původně napsal:

Perhaps so. But only so much as the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue isn't pornography. The line, in this instance, is quite grey.

All I would say is that they could have used much less provocative images and still drawn from the anime crowd.

Don't get me wrong, I personally would prefer not to have anime in the game either (thank god for the in-game filters) but appreciate others like it and it will have drawn a lot of revenue in for WG which is good for all of us. I haven't even seen these images, or at least if I have they haven't logged in my head as provocative or anything else, I've probably just ignored them. I tend not to take notice of cartoons unless it's old Beano comics!

Belfast has a rather low-cut outfit and Azuma's two-tone style using a corset is is probably referred to as "virgin-killer" outfit for a reason (it's got plenty of coverage though).

I'm pretty much blind to most non-blatant fanservice at this point though. Azuma's outfit looks totally normal to me. I just happen to know the name of the style.

Azuma aside, Belfast isn't prominently shown in the promotional material. She's part of the first wave, and as one of the most popular characters in Azur Lane (as in, the early in-game popularity poll event in Azur Lane ranked her at #1, even above Enterprise, in Japan), is pretty much an obvious choice for a collab. I think Enterprise is the better character (not ship, they're in totally different classes obviously), but I'm pretty sure Belfast having far more sex appeal helped her along. She is one of the best cruisers (if not the best, even now) in the game though, and it's not as if I think she's a bad character. I just really like Enterprise.

Enterprise doesn't have her own novels though. Belfast does. Though, so do Laffey and Ayanami, and neither of them are collab characters.

[ZugzwangGroo]

Donegali původně napsal:

There is no Hentai in this game. Please learn the difference between Anime and Hentai.

Its all the same to me me. I have seen sexually suggestive anime before, so have you, its all over the place. I think you really need to relax....You offered a very silly comparison, suggesting that if my nephews mom had a problem with sexually provocative cartoons of pre-teens, then she should have the same problem with war games that show no gore, or blood. That's like saying if she doesn't like the sexually explicit images, that my nephew couldn't even play Super Smash Bros, which is ridiculous on its face. My guess is that you are just a anime fanboy who gets to easily offended when their favorite medium is criticized in the slightest. You were to quick to defend it, and that raised some flags for me as if you were hiding something. But that's just me. As for getting this thread locked, good luck with that. You would be the only one pushing it...

[Banzai]

Seems to be a lot of threads about this rather cosmetic feature. The ships wont suddenly be wearing hotpants in game after all. I personally think the promo in question is not a particularly wise choice by WG, but im sure it will = $ for them.

[AlterEgo Dale]

(MnP)ZugzwangGroo původně napsal:

Donegali původně napsal:

There is no Hentai in this game. Please learn the difference between Anime and Hentai.

Its all the same to me me. I have seen sexually suggestive anime before, so have you, its all over the place. I think you really need to relax....You offered a very silly comparison, suggesting that if my nephews mom had a problem with sexually provocative cartoons of pre-teens, then she should have the same problem with war games that show no gore, or blood. That's like saying if she doesn't like the sexually explicit images, that my nephew couldn't even play Super Smash Bros, which is ridiculous on its face. My guess is that you are just a anime fanboy who gets to easily offended when their favorite medium is criticized in the slightest. You were to quick to defend it, and that raised some flags for me as if you were hiding something. But that's just me. As for getting this thread locked, good luck with that. You would be the only one pushing it...

Defending something you like is perfectly normal. You would do it too if somebody were to criticize something you like.
As for me I like Anime. I have many characters I like, some because of their design and some because i like the character.
To be honest i never understood why people are so obsessed with hating Anime?
Is liking Anime/ Manga a crime now? Judging some comments in this thread apperantly yes, which is completly nonsense and sad.

Edit: Noticed through the comment below that my message might sound a bit aggressive. My bad and wasn't intentional. I should probably stop being sarcastic (or atleast try) when i write stuff, because i have a rather strange sense of sarcasm or humor.
So sorry if you got the wrong idea. I just like to annoy trolls. :)