Baltimore, Cleveland or Chapayev?

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I ground all three lines to Tier VIII but am unsure where I should go. I already am on TIer VIIII for German cruisers and almost there for Italy, want a different experience. Chapayev and Cleveland seem somewhat similar, so I am tending to Baltimore or Chapayev, but I like both Sjcjors and Helena, so a bit of a quandary ...

Any personal favourites you could share with me? Thanks!

[R[e]venge®-uk*]

Chapayev leads to Tallin ... Solid Tier 10 Kite Cruiser, so Chapa, she is a Kiter which can support a Cap with her Radar, properly built the Chapa has a 1.6km+ Stealth Radar so good for catching out DD's mid to late game, get spotted to early however and the BB's will slaughter you!! Very accurate guns, good for DD hunting once you get used to them with Decent performing AP when needed. Torps are "backup" yolo weapons so disregard them 99% of the time!

Baltimore is more of a "Nose in" type ship, but you need to learn to play islands and find cover, she lacks Kite due to her large square bum!! Radar and Hydro are good, AA is OK She leads to Des Moines one of the best Tier 10's if you can master her for DPM and Game Impact!! (Think lots of HE at range and AP with improved pen on broadsides)

Both ships are over matched and if caught broadside or open water to close you will be deleted quickly!! Baltimore has low Detection so can "Vanish" Chapa detection is slightly more but still good to go dark when focused! Neither ship has a Heal so make sure you use distances to survive, if you see an Amagi. Musashi or Yamato for example keep islands in the way and stay dark till they find another target!!!

Best advise I can give is if you like the "kiter" play style, Go for Chapa, if your willing to have to learn the hard way (and you will die learning when and where is a good spot or not) on when to be nose in and when to hide and farm and of course when to run then the Batli is a good start!!

Good Luck!!

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Originally posted by Revenge®-uk*:

Chapayev leads to Tallin ... Solid Tier 10 Kite Cruiser, so Chapa, she is a Kiter which can support a Cap with her Radar, properly built the Chapa has a 1.6km+ Stealth Radar so good for catching out DD's mid to late game, get spotted to early however and the BB's will slaughter you!! Very accurate guns, good for DD hunting once you get used to them with Decent performing AP when needed. Torps are "backup" yolo weapons so disregard them 99% of the time!

Baltimore is more of a "Nose in" type ship, but you need to learn to play islands and find cover, she lacks Kite due to her large square bum!! Radar and Hydro are good, AA is OK She leads to Des Moines one of the best Tier 10's if you can master her for DPM and Game Impact!! (Think lots of HE at range and AP with improved pen on broadsides)

Both ships are over matched and if caught broadside or open water to close you will be deleted quickly!! Baltimore has low Detection so can "Vanish" Chapa detection is slightly more but still good to go dark when focused! Neither ship has a Heal so make sure you use distances to survive, if you see an Amagi. Musashi or Yamato for example keep islands in the way and stay dark till they find another target!!!

Best advise I can give is if you like the "kiter" play style, Go for Chapa, if your willing to have to learn the hard way (and you will die learning when and where is a good spot or not) on when to be nose in and when to hide and farm and of course when to run then the Batli is a good start!!

Good Luck!!

Thanks a lot for this, definitely food for thought! I think I'll start with Baltimore and then go for Chapayev, I haven't played Shchors a lot yet. I am closest to Balti anyways, only a couple thousand xp to go!

[ReDiR]

All these 3 are solid and different cruisers. Probably the one I recomend the most is Cleveland because you can get permacamo and permabonus for free from the collection.

Just stay away from Tallin, its way worse than other T8 cruisers in any playstyle we could compare them to

[R[e]venge®-uk*]

Originally posted by ReDiR:

All these 3 are solid and different cruisers. Probably the one I recomend the most is Cleveland because you can get permacamo and permabonus for free from the collection.

Just stay away from Tallin, its way worse than other T8 cruisers in any playstyle we could compare them to

Yeah the Tallin is the "Pain" for Riga and Petro (although Petro has been nerfed it is still a good ship!) But she (Tallin) works well if you remember she has a German Hull and no heal!! Really nice guns and can kite most shells up to around 260's! Watch for the HE Spammers and Up tier however!! Goliath's and Hindy's will ruin your day!!!!!

[Nepgear]

I don't understand why people don't like Tallinn so much. It was great when I grinded it and it's been buffed I think twice since then. It's AP is beautiful, it's just a bad HE ship.

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My ambition is to do all cruisers eventually, pretty sure not all BBs but so far I love the versatile cruiser play style!

[ReDiR]

Originally posted by Nepgear:

I don't understand why people don't like Tallinn so much. It was great when I grinded it and it's been buffed I think twice since then. It's AP is beautiful, it's just a bad HE ship.

It's hated for a reason. AP is good, but it's still 180mm, similar performace to 203mm from most other countries.
Mobility is one of the worst. HE is bad. Radar is the only positive feature, but it's very short duration for like 1 salvo

[dakin1]

Originally posted by Revenge®-uk*:

Chapayev leads to Tallin ... Solid Tier 10 Kite Cruiser, so Chapa, she is a Kiter which can support a Cap with her Radar, properly built the Chapa has a 1.6km+ Stealth Radar so good for catching out DD's mid to late game, get spotted to early however and the BB's will slaughter you!! Very accurate guns, good for DD hunting once you get used to them with Decent performing AP when needed. Torps are "backup" yolo weapons so disregard them 99% of the time!

Chapy leads to Nevsky (via D. Donskoi at T9). Tallinn is the Russian heavy line at T8 which leads to Petro...

I agree with the rest of your points though.

[Nepgear]

Originally posted by ReDiR:

Originally posted by Nepgear:

I don't understand why people don't like Tallinn so much. It was great when I grinded it and it's been buffed I think twice since then. It's AP is beautiful, it's just a bad HE ship.

It's hated for a reason. AP is good, but it's still 180mm, similar performace to 203mm from most other countries.
Mobility is one of the worst. HE is bad. Radar is the only positive feature, but it's very short duration for like 1 salvo

The DPM is only moderately above average, but it has better shell flight times and pen than every other same tier CA with improved pen angles to boot. You get 2 salvos on a radar if you have your guns turned the right way. Not great, but at least it has stealth radar.

[ReDiR]

Originally posted by Nepgear:

Originally posted by ReDiR:

It's hated for a reason. AP is good, but it's still 180mm, similar performace to 203mm from most other countries.
Mobility is one of the worst. HE is bad. Radar is the only positive feature, but it's very short duration for like 1 salvo

The DPM is only moderately above average, but it has better shell flight times and pen than every other same tier CA with improved pen angles to boot. You get 2 salvos on a radar if you have your guns turned the right way. Not great, but at least it has stealth radar.

Forgot that shooting angles are also very bad. What you say is right, but you can find even more positive features for any other T8 tech tree cruiser

[R[e]venge®-uk*]

Originally posted by dakin1:

Originally posted by Revenge®-uk*:

Chapayev leads to Tallin ... Solid Tier 10 Kite Cruiser, so Chapa, she is a Kiter which can support a Cap with her Radar, properly built the Chapa has a 1.6km+ Stealth Radar so good for catching out DD's mid to late game, get spotted to early however and the BB's will slaughter you!! Very accurate guns, good for DD hunting once you get used to them with Decent performing AP when needed. Torps are "backup" yolo weapons so disregard them 99% of the time!

Chapy leads to Nevsky (via D. Donskoi at T9). Tallinn is the Russian heavy line at T8 which leads to Petro...

I agree with the rest of your points though.

Yeah Meant to be Nevsky - Boo Boo'd while doing training! lol

[R[e]venge®-uk*]

Tallin is a solid ship but you have to understand and be able to do 3 key things with her ......
1. use her to Kite towards cover ... so fire and go dark behind islands
2. Her Guns are super accurate so div up and use a smoke DD to help if you have friends!!
3. She has a German Hull and will take pens from most angles so back to point 1 ... Kite and do it bloody well while finding cover .... Maps with "lower islands" suit her well ... but as I mentioned before, she is the "Pain" of the RU line ... she is not a Riga and she is not a Donkey .....

However .....
People hate the new Pan Asians ... they can "rule a game" if played right ...
People hate the US light cruisers .... they can control a game ... if played right ...

The Tallin can be really good ....

But "For me" she can only do it with decent team play and good players in both the ship and the Division/team!!

[christof]

One thing to say for Cleveland: That ship can start fires like only few, if any, on its tier. It's not even that the fire chance is particularily high. But the high volume of fire helps.

Many people do seriously dislike the shell arcs though.