Fake ships in this game?

[Starred109]

Hi, I got a question here, are some of the ships in this game fake? I know it sounds odd to ask, but sometimes whenever I'm bored I just go to the tech tree and take a look at all the ships there, sometimes I look them up to get more information. Lately, I've been coming across some ships that don't show up on any informational websites except for the fan made wargaming wikis, it's odd, an example I could put out is the Tier X battleship Vermont, the game claims it was designed in 1945 but I can't find any information about this ship design outside of this game. Are these ships just extremely obscure or something? Or are there actually just made up ships in this game? I have no problem with it, just curious.

[dakin1]

Escrito originalmente por Starseer:

We don't entirely need new fake ships... We have ship classes with different named ships which each achieved historic significance...
the 4 US Iowa class (Iowa, Missouri, Ohio, Wisconsin) are the first that come to mind.

What could be done, is the nameship of the class be in the progression tree (disregarding current premiums, but for future consideration), but if additional specific-named ships of that class distinguished themselves in their career, those become your premium copies.

The four Iowa class ships were Iowa, New Jersey, Missouri and Wisconsin. Not sure what the basis is for the RB ship Ohio that is in game (nor for the Georgia either). I do like the idea of possibly bringing out New Jersey or Wisconsin (after all there are 4 versions of Omaha in the game and 2 versions of Nurnberg right now) with some twist on their capabilities (like KGV/DOY for example). A British battle cruiser line might be interesting since the Germans got one, but let's just hope their special abilities aren't defective AP shells and a tendency to spontaneously disassemble themselves in combat. Maybe they could be slightly stronger HE ships consistent with the British BBs in game.

[Kamiyama]

Escrito originalmente por dakin1:

Escrito originalmente por Starseer:

We don't entirely need new fake ships... We have ship classes with different named ships which each achieved historic significance...
the 4 US Iowa class (Iowa, Missouri, Ohio, Wisconsin) are the first that come to mind.

What could be done, is the nameship of the class be in the progression tree (disregarding current premiums, but for future consideration), but if additional specific-named ships of that class distinguished themselves in their career, those become your premium copies.

The four Iowa class ships were Iowa, New Jersey, Missouri and Wisconsin. Not sure what the basis is for the RB ship Ohio that is in game (nor for the Georgia either). I do like the idea of possibly bringing out New Jersey or Wisconsin (after all there are 4 versions of Omaha in the game and 2 versions of Nurnberg right now) with some twist on their capabilities (like KGV/DOY for example). A British battle cruiser line might be interesting since the Germans got one, but let's just hope their special abilities aren't defective AP shells and a tendency to spontaneously disassemble themselves in combat. Maybe they could be slightly stronger HE ships consistent with the British BBs in game.

I like the QE and the Nelson but overall I'm not impressed with British fast battleships. After tier 6 their armor sucks.

Also I think British heavy cruisers are a sad joke. The armor is terribad. Like the architect had a stroke and vomited onto their drafting table, and that's what the British used for ships during WW2.

*being an island nation they must have had scarce resources so they chose to build more ships rather than a few good ships. That's my guess.

[christof]

Escrito originalmente por StormhawkV:

Also there would be one BB max in every match, so no crossfires.

I'm certain the IJN ships at Surigao Street were happy to hear that.

[ladyryoko]

There's the Ohio discrepancy, planned 2nd of the Montana class.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montana-class_battleship#USS_Ohio_(BB-68)

Just wow.
I read that full Wiki article, especially about US Navy 16-inch shells.

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The large caliber guns were designed to fire two different 16-inch shells: an armor-piercing round for anti-ship and anti-structure work, and a high-explosive round designed for use against unarmored targets and shore bombardment. The Mk. 8 APC (Armor-Piercing, Capped) shell weighed in at 2,700 lb (1,225 kg), and was designed to penetrate the hardened steel armor carried by foreign battleships. At 20,000 yd (18.3 km), the Mk. 8 could penetrate 20 inches (510 mm) of vertical steel armor plate.[43] For unarmored targets and shore bombardment, the 1,900 lb (862 kg) Mk. 13 HC (High-Capacity – referring to the large bursting charge) shell was available.[43] The Mk. 13 shell could create a crater 50 ft (15 m) wide and 20 ft (6.1 m) deep upon impact and detonation, and could defoliate trees 400 yd (370 m) from the point of impact.

The final type of ammunition developed for the 16-inch guns, well after the Montanas had been cancelled, were W23 "Katie" shells. These were born from the nuclear deterrence that had begun to shape the US armed forces at the start of the Cold War. To compete with the United States Air Force and the United States Army, which had developed nuclear bombs and nuclear shells for use on the battlefield, the Navy began a top-secret program to develop Mk. 23 nuclear naval shells with an estimated yield of 15 to 20 kilotons. The shells entered development around 1953, and were reportedly ready by 1956; however, only the Iowa-class battleships could have fired them.
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Nuclear "Katie" shells with a 15-20 kiloton yield?
That's a broadside that erases a whole city.

[Kamiyama]

That's it. Wargaming needs to add premium Katie shells for the Iowa.

1000 doubloons per shell. Firing one erases the other half of the map and creates a tidal wave.

[dakin1]

Escrito originalmente por Kamiyama:

I like the QE and the Nelson but overall I'm not impressed with British fast battleships. After tier 6 their armor sucks.

I think KGV/Duke of York is a decent support battleship (don't try to be the lead ship in a push or brawl with it)--guns have excellent reload and are great fire starters. Great for really annoying the other team's cruisers and BBs and can be excellent DD killers too if a shot presents itself. I agree that the line after that gets pretty meh, which is why I am not in a hurry to get Monarch even though I have it unlocked.

[Jackson]

Escrito originalmente por ladyryoko:

More like imbalance.
Balance has little place in this game,

That is incorrect. While some balance is in question, they certainly strive to make it as balanced as possible. Without balance, no one would play at all. Plus if a certain ship was too weak, no one would play it, and if one was too strong, everyone would play it. It's better for the game on the whole if all ships are balanced.

[Jackson]

Escrito originalmente por dakin1:

Not sure what the basis is for the RB ship Ohio that is in game (nor for the Georgia either). .

Basis for Ohio is a Montana class ship with 18" (457mm) guns. This was briefly looked at. The basis for Georgia is a hull version that was in competition with Iowa. Iowa won out. While 18" guns were looked at for Georgia, the USN quickly discarded it as it could mount only six such weapons. Had the ship been chosen, it would certainly have carried nine 16" guns like Iowa.

[R[e]venge®-uk*]

Escrito originalmente por Kamiyama:

That's it. Wargaming needs to add premium Katie shells for the Iowa.

1000 doubloons per shell. Firing one erases the other half of the map and creates a tidal wave.

Do not be giving them Ideas!!!!

[the evil one]

Escrito originalmente por Digital Merc:

Escrito originalmente por ladyryoko:

A tier 3 progression ship doesn't generate money for the game.

It doesn't?
It totally does.
By getting new players in and feeling confident... right up till Tier V when most of the negative reviews comment on how the paywall creeps up to slap you in the face.

but go ahead and keep your head in the sand.

even an exp unlockable ship can cost money; derpbloons for captain, premium, etc. you're looking at this though a very focused lense.

PAYWALL?
lmao there's no paywall , premiums are a bit of fun but not op
There's no great ammount of grind if you save your flags fro weekly op's
The grind is more real at t4 to t6 than at t9 to t10 because you can farm free xp like crazy after t6
What exactly do you see as a paywall?

[York]

Escrito originalmente por Kamiyama:

Escrito originalmente por dakin1:

The four Iowa class ships were Iowa, New Jersey, Missouri and Wisconsin. Not sure what the basis is for the RB ship Ohio that is in game (nor for the Georgia either). I do like the idea of possibly bringing out New Jersey or Wisconsin (after all there are 4 versions of Omaha in the game and 2 versions of Nurnberg right now) with some twist on their capabilities (like KGV/DOY for example). A British battle cruiser line might be interesting since the Germans got one, but let's just hope their special abilities aren't defective AP shells and a tendency to spontaneously disassemble themselves in combat. Maybe they could be slightly stronger HE ships consistent with the British BBs in game.

I like the QE and the Nelson but overall I'm not impressed with British fast battleships. After tier 6 their armor sucks.

Also I think British heavy cruisers are a sad joke. The armor is terribad. Like the architect had a stroke and vomited onto their drafting table, and that's what the British used for ships during WW2.

*being an island nation they must have had scarce resources so they chose to build more ships rather than a few good ships. That's my guess.

to put it simply the devs made the british BB CA gimmick be

If it doesnt die to a salvo it'll be back to about 85-75% in a minute while also burning everything in the world.

so the armour has to be ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ to compensate for them being hard to kill in a head to head fight (one of the only redeeming qualities of Goliath is that she counters most super cruisers in a one on one you can already guess how that doesnt actually work for randoms though.)

"*being an island nation they must have had scarce resources so they chose to build more ships rather than a few good ships. That's my guess. "

not at all actually the royal navy did build solid ships the main sudden surge of ships was the Anglo German naval arms race where the two powers built arse loads of ships the British empire won at a huge cost to the empire's coffers. after the great war the government entered the fun process of defunding things and in peace time the navy always suffers with the Washington naval treaty making the royal navy scrap a large amount of the old dreadnoughts and prohibiting ships of a certain size and tonnage.

the british had the empire of the time the problem was that well the great war had one hell of an impact on the british mind of the time and getting funding for more warships was basically difficult so guns were downscaled ships were mothballed or scrapped.
(its also important to remember that a ww1 dreadnought is still a dreadnought the guns hit hard and the armour is solid and when your main worry is italy or germany your not exactly pressed to build more. Up to this point the UK had a strained but not awful relationship with japan until it was pretty much too late for the UK to start planning/building ships that could skirt the treaties or to just disregard them and hope no one noticed.)


in the end wows is a arcade game ships rarely preform as they would have IRL (most bb secondary batteries for example would be able to shoot a good distance opposed to right now.) hell even tiger 59 is 1.2 knots slower then she should be I don't know why but they are.

[York]

Escrito originalmente por dakin1:

Escrito originalmente por Starseer:

We don't entirely need new fake ships... We have ship classes with different named ships which each achieved historic significance...
the 4 US Iowa class (Iowa, Missouri, Ohio, Wisconsin) are the first that come to mind.

What could be done, is the nameship of the class be in the progression tree (disregarding current premiums, but for future consideration), but if additional specific-named ships of that class distinguished themselves in their career, those become your premium copies.

The four Iowa class ships were Iowa, New Jersey, Missouri and Wisconsin. Not sure what the basis is for the RB ship Ohio that is in game (nor for the Georgia either). I do like the idea of possibly bringing out New Jersey or Wisconsin (after all there are 4 versions of Omaha in the game and 2 versions of Nurnberg right now) with some twist on their capabilities (like KGV/DOY for example). A British battle cruiser line might be interesting since the Germans got one, but let's just hope their special abilities aren't defective AP shells and a tendency to spontaneously disassemble themselves in combat. Maybe they could be slightly stronger HE ships consistent with the British BBs in game.

god please no not more HE

a line of repulses though? that makes me giddy.